ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It

[jimmothy]

Cloudmining is not only easier/more profitable for the sellers, but also for the buyers.

Where are all the rich cloudmining buyers?

Cheaper hardware + cheaper electricity = more profitable.

It's really that simple.

Unfortunately, it's...

Cheaper hardware + cheaper electricity + employee costs + building costs + cooling costs + development costs + maintenance costs + needing to make a decent profit + taxes = Customers losing money + the Bitcoin network becoming centralized + Future Bitcoin miners/users being discouraged from participating + Current miners being less profitable + More BTC flooding the markets = Worse off for everyone to benefit the few at the top with the most fiat.  Sound familiar?

"needing to make a decent profit + taxes" applies to any sort of hardware sales business, not only cloudmining.

You make it seem like adding up all those extra costs associated with cloudmining will make it less profitable than home mining but that's just not the case. There are already several companies offering colocation at rates far below what the average home miner pays for electricity.

As for centralization, that's going to happen with or without cloudmining.

[TheIZS]

Wow really Flame1012!!!!! That is so impressive, and with your massive influence over the Chinese Communist Party officials involved, you're finally going to start righting the wrongs committed against non-chinese shareholders by disreputable Chinese businesses. I mean really with the track record the Chinese government has for being sure Chinese business are on the up and up how can you not succeed. Take the offer dipshit and be glad you got anything at all back. Remember Hashie dumbass?

I like your optimism, but you clearly haven't got a clue how it works out there in the real world of Southeast Asia. I thought AMHash was a little sketchy to begin with for the simple reason, if you get ripped off they are in China and you can't do shit. I had hopes the partnerships would keep all parties at least watching each other. Now we know well SHIT, you can't even trust the manufacturer to not rip you off.

The only rules left are, get in early, get out while you still have profit.

Edit

Oh! never mind that retarded post was removed by the poster or a mod before I finished typing.

[lucasjkr]

Cloudmining is not only easier/more profitable for the sellers, but also for the buyers.

Where are all the rich cloudmining buyers?

Cheaper hardware + cheaper electricity = more profitable.

It's really that simple.

Unfortunately, it's...

Cheaper hardware + cheaper electricity + employee costs + building costs + cooling costs + development costs + maintenance costs + needing to make a decent profit + taxes = Customers losing money + the Bitcoin network becoming centralized + Future Bitcoin miners/users being discouraged from participating + Current miners being less profitable + More BTC flooding the markets = Worse off for everyone to benefit the few at the top with the most fiat.  Sound familiar?

"needing to make a decent profit + taxes" applies to any sort of hardware sales business, not only cloudmining.

You make it seem like adding up all those extra costs associated with cloudmining will make it less profitable than home mining but that's just not the case. There are already several companies offering colocation at rates far below what the average home miner pays for electricity.

As for centralization, that's going to happen with or without cloudmining.

Unfortunately, this place seems to attract those without scruples.

Cloud mining sounds great in theory, but lots of operations have turned out to be scams. Even this one, AMHash, run by one of the "gods" of the Bitcoin universe.

Just as they say if you don't control your private key, you don't have any bitcoins, same can be said for mining hardware - if it's not under your roof, or at a cage in a data center that you have the keys to, you don't actually have any mining power, just the hope that whoever you gave your coins to will give some of them back as time goes by

[Lesbian Cow]

Hi Not Lamb Chop,

You were correct, Lesbian Cow knows when she is wrong.

Good job!

Fortunately I only risked a bit of grain, so no major worries.  My questions below still remain unanswered.

Cheers!

^One of my problems is idiots like you blaming me for their idiocy.  You don't understand what I said for the same reason you're such a failure as an investor--you're simply not bright enough.
You still haven't thanked me for warning you about Active Mining, where the fuck are your manners?

Hi Not Lamb Chop,

Are you that Marceau Popsicle guy?  The one riding a Camel in an ill fitting suit with an expression on his face like "who farted?".

Sorry to go a bit off topic, but I have been curious for a while - what happened to your alter ego MPeX-PR?  The one with the avatar of a hot looking robot like chick where I think I could see the beginnings of a nipple.  I miss you as that character.   When you posted as that character were you stroking your anus?  I always assumed you were.

Back on topic, Lesbian Cow is adding to her position in AM at these prices.  Can't see why Fried Cat would make such a public display if he was not in a position to deliver. 

[lophie]

Ok I think people around this thread need some tough love.

Friedcat and the people working behind the scenes in ASICMINER are multitudes more honest than most shit big corporate companies outthere. He could have ran with his friends with many many millions that he decided to give back to the shareholders as divs a long time ago. ASICMINER is going down and we all know it but it is not fair when big companies are exposed of screwing up the investors earlier the moment they foresee their doom in the future just so they can still secure themselves with many millions, it is not fair to be this aggressive to friedcat because ASICMINER is going down. You guys though this would be a gold trip for the next century or something? Alot of people here gave many calculations in expectation to this.

Some of you, actually just a few, few few few, Could have done this better when most are likely to screw it up way earlier. If you know that within yourself that you couldn't have done it better, If you know within yourself and be honest to what you rationally believed ASICMINER could do for you. You should be one of the people who keep the silence, and plan their exit.

No hate on you guys and please don't hate on me, this is just an honest opinion.

[PeterB]

So sad to see this happen to a once beloved member of the community 

[muyuu]

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"needing to make a decent profit + taxes" applies to any sort of hardware sales business, not only cloudmining.

You make it seem like adding up all those extra costs associated with cloudmining will make it less profitable than home mining but that's just not the case. There are already several companies offering colocation at rates far below what the average home miner pays for electricity.

As for centralization, that's going to happen with or without cloudmining.

Unfortunately, this place seems to attract those without scruples.

Cloud mining sounds great in theory, but lots of operations have turned out to be scams. Even this one, AMHash, run by one of the "gods" of the Bitcoin universe.

Just as they say if you don't control your private key, you don't have any bitcoins, same can be said for mining hardware - if it's not under your roof, or at a cage in a data center that you have the keys to, you don't actually have any mining power, just the hope that whoever you gave your coins to will give some of them back as time goes by

The main problem with cloudmining is that it's based on the equivalent of a futures market, which simply cannot be directly run on a trust-less platform. It's just all too easy to keep the hashing, and exit scam with a bunch of coins and when enough people are involved, it seems statistically very likely that someone is going to be tempted by that scheme.

Now that's just basic cloudmining, like AMHash and others. The case for ASICMiner proper was a bit different because it made sense to ride investment for longer, as long as newer and better equipment kept coming or look like it could. Eventually, that died off and it went the route of cloudmining and exit scam (not sure who exactly was involved in that, but it most likely happened just like that).

[EternalWingsofGod]

Ok I think people around this thread need some tough love.

Friedcat and the people working behind the scenes in ASICMINER are multitudes more honest than most shit big corporate companies outthere. He could have ran with his friends with many many millions that he decided to give back to the shareholders as divs a long time ago. ASICMINER is going down and we all know it but it is not fair when big companies are exposed of screwing up the investors earlier the moment they foresee their doom in the future just so they can still secure themselves with many millions, it is not fair to be this aggressive to friedcat because ASICMINER is going down. You guys though this would be a gold trip for the next century or something? Alot of people here gave many calculations in expectation to this.

Some of you, actually just a few, few few few, Could have done this better when most are likely to screw it up way earlier. If you know that within yourself that you couldn't have done it better, If you know within yourself and be honest to what you rationally believed ASICMINER could do for you. You should be one of the people who keep the silence, and plan their exit.

No hate on you guys and please don't hate on me, this is just an honest opinion.

True enough,  since you did bring it up I'm kind of happy that the trust level on FC is fairly constant to reflect that, sure the company is going belly under but he was the only party that offered to comp for AMHash, and he also distributed miners and provided refunds to users for bad units and as a measure of character it is noteable. Even returned that 50200 BTC txt fee back in the day, so while his company may be busting,  its not an untrustworthy operator fault but a failed company.

[gogxmagog]

great fukin company!!!

[runam0k]

Even returned that 50 BTC txt fee back in the day, so while his company may be busting,  its not an untrustworthy operator fault but a failed company.

Did I miss an important update?  Is FC back?

Or is he still missing, having done a runner with company funds?

Just because he did good things "back in the day" and didn't bolt until things got difficult, doesn't mean he's not a scammer.  It's just a different type of scam.  It's an exit scam.  I'm sure lots of BTC co operators had good intentions when they started out...

[lophie]

DISCLAIMER: I have been in ASICMINER since IPO here on the forums and GLBSE and completely out since first time it hit 0.16BTC.

[SebastianJu]

Even returned that 50 BTC txt fee back in the day, so while his company may be busting,  its not an untrustworthy operator fault but a failed company.

Did I miss an important update?  Is FC back?

Or is he still missing, having done a runner with company funds?

Just because he did good things "back in the day" and didn't bolt until things got difficult, doesn't mean he's not a scammer.  It's just a different type of scam.  It's an exit scam.  I'm sure lots of BTC co operators had good intentions when they started out...

He only says that its not the best decision for a scammer to wait scamming until you have way less money you can run with. You assume friedcat scammed but the possibility that he didnt vanish out of his free will is high.

Saying that... i really have no sympathy for being responsible for so many coins that arent yours and you dont even get the idea to secure them. I mean friedcat dying would have meant the same outcome i guess. Personally i would fear i set myself up to a big risk for my personal life and wellbeing and i would prevent that by making me alone unable to give out the coins.

[hdbuck]

Even returned that 50 BTC txt fee back in the day, so while his company may be busting,  its not an untrustworthy operator fault but a failed company.

Did I miss an important update?  Is FC back?

Or is he still missing, having done a runner with company funds?

Just because he did good things "back in the day" and didn't bolt until things got difficult, doesn't mean he's not a scammer.  It's just a different type of scam.  It's an exit scam.  I'm sure lots of BTC co operators had good intentions when they started out...

He only says that its not the best decision for a scammer to wait scamming until you have way less money you can run with. You assume friedcat scammed but the possibility that he didnt vanish out of his free will is high.

Saying that... i really have no sympathy for being responsible for so many coins that arent yours and you dont even get the idea to secure them. I mean friedcat dying would have meant the same outcome i guess. Personally i would fear i set myself up to a big risk for my personal life and wellbeing and i would prevent that by making me alone unable to give out the coins.

too bad he did not escrwo AM funds wit you..

[SebastianJu]

Even returned that 50 BTC txt fee back in the day, so while his company may be busting,  its not an untrustworthy operator fault but a failed company.

Did I miss an important update?  Is FC back?

Or is he still missing, having done a runner with company funds?

Just because he did good things "back in the day" and didn't bolt until things got difficult, doesn't mean he's not a scammer.  It's just a different type of scam.  It's an exit scam.  I'm sure lots of BTC co operators had good intentions when they started out...

He only says that its not the best decision for a scammer to wait scamming until you have way less money you can run with. You assume friedcat scammed but the possibility that he didnt vanish out of his free will is high.

Saying that... i really have no sympathy for being responsible for so many coins that arent yours and you dont even get the idea to secure them. I mean friedcat dying would have meant the same outcome i guess. Personally i would fear i set myself up to a big risk for my personal life and wellbeing and i would prevent that by making me alone unable to give out the coins.

too bad he did not escrwo AM funds wit you..

I would have denied. Or suggested me being part of a ring of many escrows who all are needed in accordance to get the funds moved. Otherwise i would have feared for my live and wellbeing. No money would be worth that. Thats why i dont understand friedcat. Either he really is a scammer and needed to hold the keys for that, which sounds unlikely to me because of his past record, he simply denied the risks or he... i dont know.

If he isnt a scammer then this problem sounds like on a level with "oops my harddisc with my wallet crashed and i dont have a backup". Not understandable for someone this experienced.

[mc_lovin]

[RoadStress]

I tried to warn people early on.  This is what scares me about Spondoolies now taking the same ethical approach to their future business (i.e. selling finite cloudhashing contracts because it's easier and more profitable and passes more risk to the customer).  Once people take the path of using their reputation to screw their customers for profit, it is difficult to recover.

Don't rush with assumptions. SP-Tech has some unique plans about the cloudhashing contracts. Get digging!

[Fabrizio89]

I don't even know why Havelock is still online, this was basically the only thing that brought them volume, lol.
Anyway that's why you trade bitcoins if you want to make money and not shitty semi-stocks.

[flyingplows]

I don't even know why Havelock is still online, this was basically the only thing that brought them volume, lol.
Anyway that's why you trade bitcoins if you want to make money and not shitty semi-stocks.

Well, maybe because Havelock is involved in this shit more than it seems at first 
But at least if they wanted to run they could have opened AMHash1 market trade without permission from amhash This would be quite profotable % to make...

[nwfella]

The strangest thing happened.  As soon as a stopped investing in bitcoin securities...

I had more bitcoins.

Ain't that the truth, well Bitcoin securities have had a very high tendency to suck
With very few exceptions all of them can be considered failures
In the end you really do have more Bitcoins avoiding them like the plague

Couldn't agree with this more.  Very rarely will you come across a legitimate Bitcoin security.  And even if legitimate to start, far too easy for one person with the 'keys to the kingdom' to basically runway with the goods.

Feel really bad for anybody that invested in asicminer and didn't get out before the crash.

[Jonnybitc0in]

Gen3 had a chance. Wasn't expecting FC to disappear. 
self-mining? DataTank immersion cooling? 60p of chips (40% of the network @ the time) just sitting on shelves? What the heck happened to those 60p?
dividends a distant dream?

It was the moon or zero. Zero it is. So sad.