ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It

[User705]

Divs were typically on Wed and not until after around 4-5:00 GMT. Sooooo, what's the problem? 

So what's up with the dividends?  It's kinda hard to believe that there's 0 earnings available to distribute!

[Zubilica]

I think he does not care, i have seen this attitude before. Godlike walking among us mortals.

[Ozziecoin]

I think he does not care, i have seen this attitude before. Godlike walking among us mortals.

Please, the only people that invested were the original investors.  FC made them multi millionaires. All those that invested subsequently did so for the dividends.  They added no new capital to FC or his business. You would do the same, if you were FC.

[bitsalame]

I think he does not care, i have seen this attitude before. Godlike walking among us mortals.

Please, the only people that invested were the original investors.  FC made them multi millionaires. All those that invested subsequently did so for the dividends.  They added no new capital to FC or his business. You would do the same, if you were FC.

Actually it is the "subsequent investors" are the ones who made Friedcat rich.
He liquidated shares when the price hit 4 btc/share
Some people don't seem to understand the relevance of the secondary market.

[jimmothy]

I think he does not care, i have seen this attitude before. Godlike walking among us mortals.

Please, the only people that invested were the original investors.  FC made them multi millionaires. All those that invested subsequently did so for the dividends.  They added no new capital to FC or his business. You would do the same, if you were FC.

Actually it is the "subsequent investors" are the ones who made Friedcat rich.
He liquidated shares when the price hit 4 btc/share
Some people don't seem to understand the relevance of the secondary market.

Source?

IIRC he specifically said he didn't sell during the bubble.

[bitcoin.newsfeed]

I think he does not care, i have seen this attitude before. Godlike walking among us mortals.

Please, the only people that invested were the original investors.  FC made them multi millionaires. All those that invested subsequently did so for the dividends.  They added no new capital to FC or his business. You would do the same, if you were FC.

What the f... are you saying ?

An investor is a person who allocates capital with the expectation of a financial return. The types of investments include: gambling and speculation, equity, debt securities, real estate, currency, commodity, derivatives such as put and call options, etc. This definition makes no distinction between those in the primary and secondary markets. That is, someone who provides a business with capital and someone who buys a stock are both investors. An investor who owns a stock is known as a shareholder.

You're basically saying, that we don't deserve dividends. You're saying that we're not investors, or that we're "investors". So anyone who is buying AAPL or GOOG or any other stock now when company is running, is in your eyes not investor. Sorry, but you're wrong, they are.

I wonder how many weeks or months without dividends will pass after you or any other cheerleader will change his attitude from : ASICminer? everything is ok, pink glasses. In past we saw that Bitcoinland is no Candyland, scams are everywhere, greed is everywhere. And we must take care with eyes open. Even Jutarul is without the words or explanation what is going on again?

[Ozziecoin]

I think he does not care, i have seen this attitude before. Godlike walking among us mortals.

Please, the only people that invested were the original investors.  FC made them multi millionaires. All those that invested subsequently did so for the dividends.  They added no new capital to FC or his business. You would do the same, if you were FC.

Actually it is the "subsequent investors" are the ones who made Friedcat rich.
He liquidated shares when the price hit 4 btc/share
Some people don't seem to understand the relevance of the secondary market.

Well, there is no proof he sold. Moreover, if people were crazy enough to buy at 4 Btc/share, then they did so because they wanted the divs.  FC is entirely within his rights to offload at a high point. At this point, as shareholders, we literally have no rights to demand this or that. This is especially the case if FC HAS offloaded his shares. I think you overestimate the importance of the secondary market to someone who has offloaded their shares. (I don't know if FC has).

[Ozziecoin]

What the f... are you saying ?

An investor is a person who allocates capital with the expectation of a financial return. The types of investments include: gambling and speculation, equity, debt securities, real estate, currency, commodity, derivatives such as put and call options, etc. This definition makes no distinction between those in the primary and secondary markets. That is, someone who provides a business with capital and someone who buys a stock are both investors. An investor who owns a stock is known as a shareholder.

You're basically saying, that we don't deserve dividends. You're saying that we're not investors, or that we're "investors". So anyone who is buying AAPL or GOOG or any other stock now when company is running, is in your eyes not investor. Sorry, but you're wrong, they are.

I wonder how many weeks or months without dividends will pass after you or any other cheerleader will change his attitude from : ASICminer? everything is ok, pink glasses. In past we saw that Bitcoinland is no Candyland, scams are everywhere, greed is everywhere. And we must take care with eyes open. Even Jutarul is without the words or explanation what is going on again?

See, you have no idea that ASICminer is not AAPL and GOOG, for the precise reason that AM is not listed on a stockexchange.  What you have is a mere promise to pay you dividends backed by FC's good reputation.  You literally have no rights.  Get used to it.

I think it is pretty damn clear what I'm saying.

[bbxx]

where are dividends?
where is financial report?
where is mining income?
why you have not responded marto about chips?
why immersion cooling facility is not working?

why you are ignoring investors?

please respond, friedcat
thanks.

[bitcoin.newsfeed]

where are dividends?
where is financial report?
where is mining income?
why you have not responded marto about chips?
why immersion cooling facility is not working?

why you are ignoring investors?

please respond, friedcat
thanks.

great next round of questions. friendlypumpkin, are you ready? FC loves short answers, like "May 27th.", so he'll get short but very important questions.

add : where are money from chips sales?

and for everyone who is saying me : "go away, if you dont trust our God, sell your shares." I cant, i am stuck here. There is simply no liquidity on Havelock, if you don't want to see prices under 0.1 btc in the blink of an eye.

[novusordo]

He liquidated shares when the price hit 4 btc/share

Yeah, he just waltzed on over to Havelock or Bitfunder or BTCT.co and sold those shares he owns that are totally part of the public ones that were listed on those exchanges.

Or wait, he sold them privately, maybe? Oh, wait. No single person with that much capital is fucking stupid enough to buy that many shares at above 4 BTC each during an obvious bubble.

[jimmothy]

I wonder how many weeks or months without dividends will pass after you or any other cheerleader will change his attitude from : ASICminer? everything is ok, pink glasses. In past we saw that Bitcoinland is no Candyland, scams are everywhere, greed is everywhere. And we must take care with eyes open.

I wonder how many months of dividends FC will need to give out before "investors" stop bitching and creating FUD.

We are 1 day passed a date which was subject to change and this somehow translates to weeks/months without dividends? Can we be rational please?

Even Jutarul is without the words or explanation what is going on again?

You make it sound like jutarul always holds your hand when FC misses a deadline.

where are dividends?
where is financial report?
where is mining income?
why you have not responded marto about chips?
why immersion cooling facility is not working?

why you are ignoring investors?

please respond, friedcat
thanks.

Thanks for your thoughtful post. A bunch of rhetorical questions is exactly what we need to get FC to post the financial report/give out dividends.

[bitsalame]

I think he does not care, i have seen this attitude before. Godlike walking among us mortals.

Please, the only people that invested were the original investors.  FC made them multi millionaires. All those that invested subsequently did so for the dividends.  They added no new capital to FC or his business. You would do the same, if you were FC.

Actually it is the "subsequent investors" are the ones who made Friedcat rich.
He liquidated shares when the price hit 4 btc/share
Some people don't seem to understand the relevance of the secondary market.

Source?

IIRC he specifically said he didn't sell during the bubble.

It was last year at the peak, I remember seeing a post in the securities subforum here, I think it was Bitfountain that liquidated some shares at 4.
If someone is in the mood to dig around the posts in the forums, you guys are my guest.

[Dacm4n]

You guys should give FC a week before panicking.

[jimmothy]

I think he does not care, i have seen this attitude before. Godlike walking among us mortals.

Please, the only people that invested were the original investors.  FC made them multi millionaires. All those that invested subsequently did so for the dividends.  They added no new capital to FC or his business. You would do the same, if you were FC.

Actually it is the "subsequent investors" are the ones who made Friedcat rich.
He liquidated shares when the price hit 4 btc/share
Some people don't seem to understand the relevance of the secondary market.

Source?

IIRC he specifically said he didn't sell during the bubble.

It was last year at the peak, I remember seeing a post in the securities subforum here, I think it was Bitfountain that liquidated some shares at 4.
If someone is in the mood to dig around the posts in the forums, you guys are my guest.

Found this quote: https://bitcointa.lk/threads/asicminer-entering-the-future-of-asic-mining-by-inventing-it.61268/page-140#post-1597354

So although it's likely bitfountain did unload shares at 4btc/share, FC did not get rich because of it.

[jimmothy]

where are dividends?
where is financial report?
where is mining income?
why you have not responded marto about chips?
why immersion cooling facility is not working?

why you are ignoring investors?

please respond, friedcat
thanks.

great next round of questions. friendlypumpkin, are you ready? FC loves short answers, like "May 27th.", so he'll get short but very important questions.

add : where are money from chips sales?

and for everyone who is saying me : "go away, if you dont trust our God, sell your shares." I cant, i am stuck here. There is simply no liquidity on Havelock, if you don't want to see prices under 0.1 btc in the blink of an eye.

So you have so much shares you cause a major crash(assuming more than 500 since goat just sold that much without putting a dent in the market) yet you create as much FUD/useless posts/rhetorical questions as possible?

I'd guess you're just a pump and dumper based on your ability to switch back and forth from bull to bear mode with the flip of a switch.

[Ozziecoin]

I think he does not care, i have seen this attitude before. Godlike walking among us mortals.

Please, the only people that invested were the original investors.  FC made them multi millionaires. All those that invested subsequently did so for the dividends.  They added no new capital to FC or his business. You would do the same, if you were FC.

Actually it is the "subsequent investors" are the ones who made Friedcat rich.
He liquidated shares when the price hit 4 btc/share
Some people don't seem to understand the relevance of the secondary market.

Source?

IIRC he specifically said he didn't sell during the bubble.

It was last year at the peak, I remember seeing a post in the securities subforum here, I think it was Bitfountain that liquidated some shares at 4.
If someone is in the mood to dig around the posts in the forums, you guys are my guest.

Found this quote: https://bitcointa.lk/threads/asicminer-entering-the-future-of-asic-mining-by-inventing-it.61268/page-140#post-1597354

So although it's likely bitfountain did unload shares at 4btc/share, FC did not get rich because of it.

And we should thank our lucky stars that FC still has shares in AM, because that's one reason why he won't simply walk away.

[JoTheKhan]

Quite a bit of drama appearing. Has anyone decided to reach out to FC or Jutarul to see if there was a date change or any updated information that can be disclosed passed the board and down to the shareholders?

Of course I am perfectly fine with waiting. I don't see an issue with no news or dividends until the end of Q2 personally. But it seems that everyday from this day onward with no information will only cause a depreciation of the share price and an increase in accusations and rumors.

With a rising BTC price, this hurts all of us. Even AM.

[bbxx]

i think you dont know who is TF (tradefortress), do you see analogy?

I think you're on to something.

Tradefortress: Starts multiple businesses with no sources of revenue including an online wallet which was conveniently hacked losing ALL of its money. Completely anonymous and businesses only involve shifting money around.

Friedcat: Has developed, produced, and sold hardware earning the company and its investors over 500% in dividends. Completed 3rd gen asics and is now working on 4th gen. Pseudonymous meaning people know who he is, it's just not publicly broadcasted.

Definitely a great analogy.

Tradefortress: has collected a lot of btc for his activities, was regullary paying dividends and income share to build his reputation until he decided that he has earned enough and then he stopped paying and posting.

Friedcat: has collected a lot of btc for his activities, was regullary paying dividends and income share to build his reputation until he decided that he has earned enough and then he stopped paying and posting.

[jimmothy]

i think you dont know who is TF (tradefortress), do you see analogy?

I think you're on to something.

Tradefortress: Starts multiple businesses with no sources of revenue including an online wallet which was conveniently hacked losing ALL of its money. Completely anonymous and businesses only involve shifting money around.

Friedcat: Has developed, produced, and sold hardware earning the company and its investors over 500% in dividends. Completed 3rd gen asics and is now working on 4th gen. Pseudonymous meaning people know who he is, it's just not publicly broadcasted.

Definitely a great analogy.

Tradefortress: has collected a lot of btc for his activities, was regullary paying dividends and income share to build his reputation until he decided that he has earned enough and then he stopped paying and posting.

Friedcat: has collected a lot of btc for his activities, was regullary paying dividends and income share to build his reputation until he decided that he has earned enough and then he stopped paying and posting.

So anyone who has an IPO = tradefortress?

TF didn't give out much dividends considering he ran a ponzi and none of his "businesses" had any sources of revenue. Compare that to FC who gave back 500% in dividends of actual profit from an actual business.

You're not a very good fudster.