I played on a place and won a 0.073 bet and they sent it with such a low fee that I think they might even get the money back. I didn't know that was even possible but apparently that is something you should be careful about, I know this is not a rating (the website is not listed here thankfully) but I implore everyone to be careful about that.
These new places send you your money with such a low fee that after couple of days of zero confirmation the money goes back to them (to the sender in any case) and they just respond with "we sent you the money here is the txid" and do nothing else, the shady sportsbooks of the world always find a way to scam their users and I don't know what could be done to prevent this issue but always take a look at the fee because if its too low then you are not playing on a good website.
Thank god the top 3 never done anything like that because I played for so much bigger amounts in them.
Thanks for the post and warning. |
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Honestly, it is mostly something bad, it is not that common to talk about something good. If something bad happens on a sportsbook then you come here and talk about it, you open a topic, you complain and what not and do what everyone else does, then you will change their point and increase or decrease accordingly and do whatever. However when something good happens its usually just sportsbook doing everything they suppose to. That's it.
If a sportsbook is not scamming people and giving good odds and help with deposit and withdraws, they are just going on their day like nothing happened and its hard to comment on that. What am I suppose to say, nitrogensport was great during superbowl and also helped people very quickly and we got our money hurray ? That is hard to do and not really common but its the truth. Like they are already a plus so it doesn't matter but they are really good.
I agree that people want to be heard when something is wrong or out of the ordinary. It seems unnecessary to post what is expected but he value of the thread increases when the norm is reinforced along with all problems. |
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That said, does anyone else have any problems or other experiences, good or bad to share from any book?
Betcoin: No issues at all, support is responsive. Had multiple withdraws in the 0.3 BTC to 0.6 BTC range get processed without issue in under 20 minutes. Only minor annoyance were some low limits on certain bets (IIRC was only able to place < 100 mBTC on a Super Bowl 1st Quarter Under bet). BitcoinRush: Had a withdraw of ~0.5 BTC, took about 12 hours. I get "Failed to submit bet" errors very rarely which last until they fix it, and it can be annoying at times. If someone is playing at Betbit, post a review. A rating will go up soon. Thanks
Made a 0.15 BTC earlier today, will leave a review after I play a bit Thanks Darkstar, this type of information is very valuable to all here. |
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BitcoinRush should be a level ahead of Nitrogen and Betcoin.ag.
BitcoinRush has much better odds than Nitrogen or Betcoin.ag. BitcoinRush odds are identical to Pinnacle!
BitcoinRush also has a much better website and interface than Nitrogen. I can't believe Nitrogen hasn't upgraded their website. Very clunky.
I play at Fairlay because they have Pinnacle odds and a greater selection of matches and alternate odds than all of them.
Thanks for the input. Nothing is wrong with Bitcoinrush. The biggest difference between Bitcoinrush and the top two are their withdrawal times and markets offered. All 3 books are recommended and all 3 are easy to work with as far as communication. |
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May I ask what made bitcoinrush to drop in the rating? Not to defend them or anything don't get me wrong, I have no relation, I just play there time to time and I want to know the reason so maybe I will withdraw from playing there as well. I am checking and last time I checked it was A- and now its B+ and even tough its not a big change it still shows here and dropping from the A team to B makes it more obvious so one obviously wonders why it happened since it can't be for nothing.
When you are posting your new listings with new ratings, it would be suuuperb if you could also share why a place went up or why a place went down so we can know what happened, sometimes you do that like sportsbet you did but sometimes we just happen to realize it and wouldn't notice otherwise.
Bitcoinrush is a very good book. The reason they were dropped is that their withdrawal times have been slower since when they were moved from B+ to A-. The withdrawals were from both personal withdrawals along with what's posted in their thread. They have made some changes and if their withdrawals speed up on a consistent bases, they will move up again. Nitrogen and Betcoin are running less than 15 minutes. If a book can consistently make payouts within 2 hours, that is sufficient. edit- Raven, you make a good point. In the future I will post reasons for an upgrade or downgrade. |
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There are a few cases hurting their reputation. Two in which not only were winnings confiscated, but deposits were confiscated. Pay a player and then ban him if you don't like his actions.
When comparing Sportsbet to other books, Sportsbet is at or near the bottom. Sportsbet asks for KYC information more than other books. Sportsbet has the worst or near the bottom in margins (hold).
A rating system compares books to each other. Why should anyone play at Sportsbet?
Honestly I wouldn't know about their ways if I didn't check this place. I have seen their problems only here and then go out and checked and saw it, I personally didn't have much problems with them because I haven't played too much (just two games so far) and usually go with either nitrogen or onehash because they seem like the best at what they do (nitrogen as the best and onehash as the best pvp system and sometimes there are lucky bets) and even with that in mind I love checking here before I place a big bet. We can't always check out the websites and what they have done and how they are and so forth ourselves so its great to have it all combined in once place under on topic so we can easily access to all their good and bad deeds. This helps checking out before playing very quick and doesn't take time at all to just look at one message. That said, does anyone else have any problems or other experiences, good or bad to share from any book? |
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yes, can't believe a sportsbook offering fiat deposits without KYC would last very long....
hmm not sure about that to be honest , for example I use a fiat broker that accepts bitcoin and they told me they don't have KYC for bitcoin users I have been using them for around 1 year now and still able to deposit and withdraw without KYC so don't think that fiat always mean KYC applied Brokers are different. Some do and some don't. The difference is if you are a fiat currency sportsbook there is only two way of doing it, either you do it legally and try to open bank accounts and have accountants and lawyers and KYC as well which allows the sports book to be as legit as it gets or you open something like curacoa or whatever type place and run a shady fiat sportsbook which allows you to be more free but also creates a chance of scamming the customers. When the sportsbooks are crypto they do not need to be based anywhere and they do not need to involve fiat to be legit, they are just crypto to crypto, you deposit btc and you withdraw btc without a need for a bank, if they want to put fiat into that it will create a whole type of problems for them. Hence why already existing fiat sportsbooks could add in crypto but the already existing crypto sportsbooks try NOT to add fiat. True. In the UK they do it legally. In Curacao they get a sublicense that doesn't mean a thing. A lot open in Costa Rica since they only need a Data Processing License. What's nice about Nitrogen is even though they are in Costa Rica, some of the names are public knowledge. The shops in Costa Rica and Curacao that are heavy handed on asking for KYC are just doing it to grab our money. |
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If someone is playing at Betbit, post a review. A rating will go up soon. Thanks
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Please post comments, reviews, praises and complaints here. Although this is a player's thread, books are encouraged to post. The only rule for books is to keep their conversation to their own book and not that of another book. "A" and "B" books are recommended.
"A" rated booksnitrogensports.eu A+ (2013) email: support@nitrogensports.eu and support ticket........Reduced juice: Yes betcoin.ag A (2013) email: contact@betcoin.ag and support ticket.................Reduced juice: Yes "B"rated booksbitcoinrush.io B+ (2013) email: admin@bitcoinrush.io.......................................... Reduced juice: Yes. "C" rated booksmBet.io C+ (2017) email: customer_support@mbet.io................................. Reduced juice: Noanonibet.com C- (2011) email: info@anonibet.com............................................. Reduced juice: Nojetwin.ps C- (2013) email: support@jetwin.ps Under maintenance. "D" rated bookscoinbet24.com D+ (2015) .............................................................................Re duced juice: No1xbit.com D (2016) email: support-en@1x-bit.com ......................................Two sets of lines. cloudbet.com D- (2013) email: support@cloudbet.com .......................................Reduced juice:Yes sportsbet.io D- (2016) email: cs@sportsbet.io................................................ Reduced juice: No"F" rated booksAnybet.eu . Ball2Win F . BetCas F . betking.io sportsbook closed Nov. 2018. betmatch.is closed 2018. BetVIP - closed 6/12/15 Bitbook F closed. Bitbm F . Bitcoinsport F closed Bitcoinlivebets F closed bitsport.bet closed 4/11/18 Blockbet F closed BTCBonusBook (2015). Casinoco (2015). Coinbet F Coindrafts F (2014) closed. DirectBet closed 5/21/17 Ghostbook (TOR) Gobetgo F (2013) Powerbet F (2016) Sportbet.im F closed. StakeBTC F closed Webetcoins F (2014) closed. * Reduced juice is better than 1.91 (-110). |
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Let's look at their answers. One is basically answered by saying "yes we do not give good odds and if you are a whale you can get boosts that might close the gap but otherwise odds are crap", the second one basically says "we have no idea how self exclusion works but we have someone who does so we are not going to answer this question at all?" like that makes any sense at all, that is not even an answer, just stating they have an employee about that matter but no answer to it at all.
Third one was answered "we would like to not talk about it in detail because it might make us look bad", if they had any information to clear their name, they would give it, they do not have any info that would make them look the rightful part so they are not even attempting to show it since they don't have any right to do what they did. I can continue for the rest but you get it, they are slimy and even D- is a lot to them.
Slimy is a good way to describe them. Lol slimy is perfect. They are not really "scamming" anyone openly but they are also not making any friends here neither. They are both legit and not at the same time which is an achievement to be fair. Have they taken out the bet from someone for no reason? No, they took it out because he wanted to be self excluded, however did they banned him? No his account is not banned forever yet his bet is gone. Dudes figured out a way to hide behind some technical stuff to manage to get out of a bet and at the same time ruin their reputation. I wonder what the amount for the bet and the win was, if it is nothing major they are literally throwing away their reputation for just one bet and I would rather let the gambler have it instead of ruining my reputation for something like this. There are a few cases hurting their reputation. Two in which not only were winnings confiscated, but deposits were confiscated. Pay a player and then ban him if you don't like his actions. When comparing Sportsbet to other books, Sportsbet is at or near the bottom. Sportsbet asks for KYC information more than other books. Sportsbet has the worst or near the bottom in margins (hold). A rating system compares books to each other. Why should anyone play at Sportsbet? |
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Any gambling expert please recommond any trusted betting site where no need to kyc and secured and you are still betting there.
Nitrogensports.eu , Onehash, Sportsbet.io . As far as I know they doesn't implement KYC's but there is chances that it might be requested for various reasons like unusual account activity, large withdrawals or something along those lines. For example, in Sportsbet.io, you can freely used the site without undergoing KYC but their support told me back then that they might request it for security reason. Other sites might have the same terms although it's not listed on their posted TERMS on the site. Anyways about "trust", even how reputable those sites today, we can't just put our 100% to it. We are just minimizing the risks of being a victim of scam that's why we are choosing the sites that already built a reputation in crypto gambling world. Sportsbet.io uses KYC. |
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Shoot me your email address. |
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Only Nitrogensports, Betcoin and Bitcoinrush. Too many other sportsbooks are using KYC to either delay or confiscate funds.
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Any more payout problems to report?
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Let's look at their answers. One is basically answered by saying "yes we do not give good odds and if you are a whale you can get boosts that might close the gap but otherwise odds are crap", the second one basically says "we have no idea how self exclusion works but we have someone who does so we are not going to answer this question at all?" like that makes any sense at all, that is not even an answer, just stating they have an employee about that matter but no answer to it at all.
Third one was answered "we would like to not talk about it in detail because it might make us look bad", if they had any information to clear their name, they would give it, they do not have any info that would make them look the rightful part so they are not even attempting to show it since they don't have any right to do what they did. I can continue for the rest but you get it, they are slimy and even D- is a lot to them.
Slimy is a good way to describe them. |
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Cloudbet is stealing hundreds of thousands of dollars from people. They should be rated F, or called out as an outright scam. . They may be downgraded again if none of the open cases are resolved soon. |
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