What I'm saying is you can "give up your keys" and he will never know whether or not you have given up all of them. That's completely independent of public perception. The public can be strongly of the opinion that everyone ought to be required to give up all of their keys to the state upon request, and even in that environment this defense still works fine because you can always say with complete plausibility that you have given up all of your keys.


I didn't mean his actual book. I meant he holds bitcoin and he makes the bitcoin he holds more valuable by fostering adoption. That is how he "gets paid" for what he does.


Yea this is probably right.

Yep this is already the world we live in. But right now its very hard to live an alternative lifestyle, trezor would make living the alternative lifestyle more possible. Additionally it would vastly improve your security if you did decide to go the mainstream route. And its use would have massive external benefits mostly realized in the form of lower prices for goods and services for previously mentioned reasons.

Really using the identity that was attached to your real physical person would just afford you a deeper line of credit at a lower interest rate. Simply because it would make creditors more comfortable to know they could find and badger the real you if you failed to fulfill. You are always going to get a better interest rate if you expose your real person, but plenty of people would get good interest rates without doing that im sure.

This is just a variant of the $5 wrench attack. You could selectively reveal some identities but not others. Thats the nice thing about the bip32 tree structure. You have no way of knowing whether or not a given node is at the top of the tree or not.

Well yea by talking his book. Don't know how that would work with trezor.

Yep. It's going to be the bush cheney administration all over again. Would you like neo-con a or neo-con b?

*edit* If these guys could even comprehend the existential threat monero represents to their power they would raining fire and brim stone upon us all. Good thing they wont realize it until it's too late.

Do you have any idea how many people bought bitcoin at 20+ dollars just to see its price fall all the way to 2 (or was it 4 I cant remember). Why oh why did they buy bitcoin at 20 whole dollars. They lost 90% of their wealth!? Those bagholders never recovered. Oh wait bitcoins at 600 now .

You could put an endless series of unique identities on the BIP 32 tree structure. Its personal identity management we are talking about here. This is identity freedom. Identity empowerment.

Right now we are forced to use almost one identity for everything due to technological limits. If you want to get a loan for a house you have to give unfettered access to the entirety of your personal identity. This is the tyranny. Not the freedom that trezor would afford by empowering its users with the capacity to authenticate with the identity of their chossing, without reveling other identities or even if they have other identities.

You could literally have "rep" as a trustful drug dealer. Verify your rep before a client even talks to you so that he knows you arent a cop. Then hand your trazor to a cop and he would have no way of using it to identify you as mr drug dealer. That is like the least Orwellian thing I have ever heard.

What do you guys think. Do you think I could make a living as what andreas antonopoulos is to bitcoin except for trezor?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1550236
https://iotatangle.slack.com/messages/trading/

Make sure you use escrow and verify the identity of the escrow provider here on bitcointalk.

Maybe not chap. If you aren't yet synced up to the place in the tangle (sort of like blockchain) where the transactions took place than you probably still have your funds but they wont show up till you sync further.

English and South Eastern United States. Why?

Na but thats ok. I didnt really get left behind. At most I might have thrown a bitcoin in the ICO. And that would have yielded a stake that I can easily afford to just purchase. And yea it costs more but there is a lot less risk when there is real working software so you win some you lose some. I thought it was like nxt but it wasn't. A LOT more bitcoin was donated total to the ico.

Yea. You know how history always has funny visions about the future? And in reality it turns out things have progressed a lot except in weirder ways than people expected. Like how we got the iphone instead of the flying car. Its sort of just as amazing if you think about it but VERY few people predicted it when people were envisioning flying cars.

That is what cryptographically secure, open source, intuitively operated and widely adopted identity management will be like. It will be so much bigger than bitcoin. Bitcoin was just devices like these first killer app. The first application that was so blindingly obvious that it was on the margin for first ever reason for creating devices like these. However, the whole rest of the entire world economy yet awaits.

If we (or someone) can manage to foster adoption of this type of product more broadly in the economy, it really could really be a next level development for the species of man.

I moved it to alt coins because I completely forgot about the apparent faux pas of encouraging people to post addresses at the bottom of their post.

I was just thinking about something the other day that I can't seem to stop thinking about. Imagine a world with wide spread trezor adoption. And really this vision has nothing to do with crypto currency so to speak. At least it doesn't because it needn't and since everyone here is so cryptocurrency focused it I think it is useful, in making my point, to pretend like no such thing exists.

Imagine that each check out line at the store has a socket that ones trezor can be inserted into. It then proceeds to ask a question. Any question it likes. Example, transfer 50 USD from bank account UVW to account XYZ? Yes or no? Or would you like to transfer 0.01 ounces of gold from vault id ABC to vault id DEF. To which you can reply yes in exchange for the groceries the cacheer has just rung up for you. The cashier can then relay the digitally signed instructions to your bank to be validated. Imagine the same device can be used to securely authenticate on any website. Imagine it is used to sign a contract when you take out a loan or request that a service be provided in the future. Imagine your credit score is tied to that public key. Imagine you can request your craigslist partner to digitally authenticate before wasting your time to dive out to see him for nothing.

One device could securely manage every single identity related aspect of our lives. Which is every aspect of reputation and commerce. Its not just the money that would be saved in fraud prevention, that benefit would be in the TRILLIONS and it would only be the tip of the ice berg. More benefits still would come in the tearing down of archaic fraud prevention infrastructure. Even that is the smaller portion still. The biggest benefits would come in the form of eliminating transaction friction. The scope and scale of this benefit is beyond comprehension. All benefits combined I wouldn't be surprised to see a +10% increase in the net productivity of the human species. It would be like materializing a half dozen new Dubais and a half dozen new Hong Kongs out of the ether for the price of like $10 per human being (maybe less im not sure just how cheap trezors could be if produced at massive scale).

Can you even imagine.

Maybe I'll become wealthy enough to buy this company someday and push forward this vision. If the satoshi labs heroes ever could be compelled to sell

*edit* I'm constantly trying to explain why I'm such a ridiculous nerd for these little devices. Maybe this will go further than any of my other posts towards explaining why.

It wasnt a give away though. It was supposed to be a place for the community to have a bit of fun and swap back and forth with each other. Rich tipped by poor as much as the other way around. Very far from some entity at the top giving away in a top down fashion.

Theymos killed my thread where everyone was supposed to tip each other based on the value of posts claiming it was going to lead to spammy low quality posts... That seems wrong right? Like not just wrong but the opposate of right. In a weird way. Like you are supposed to go strait through an intersection and turning left or right would both be the wrong way but turning around is uniquely more wrong. Its like that kind of wrong. I messaged him and made my case. If I disappear forever after this post its because I poked the powers that be.

I quite like the idea of projects where the main dev(s) are holding a single digit percent of the currency supply. Like was previously mentioned, economic incentives. That's just my two cents.

Pumping is a funny word. It's like the word dumping and hoarding. It's one physical action with emotional baggage attached. Dumping is just selling with emotional baggage tied to it. Hoarding is just saving but again with the addition of emotional baggage. "Pumping" just sounds like marketing but with emotional baggage.

Yes I am attempting to generate more interest in a project I already bought into. So what? Does that in some way mean the project is bad or not deserving of more attention than it currently has.

And CFB. Please. You gotta post an address when you comment man. Its like the thing about this thread. Its what is supposed to distinguish it from all the other threads we already have.

It's anarchy in here. No one is following the rule. Guys post iota addresses in code tags at the bottom of your posts.

Sort of like how bitcoin is the name of the network, the protocol, and the name for 100,000,000 satoshis. Iota is like this except it is the name for the network, the protocol and its own analogue to bitcoins satoshi.

You are new so I will forgive you but one of the two rules is that you must include an address at the bottom of your post.

My understanding is that giving away the money was the purpose of it.