Cost of lost opportunity while you wait a week for your MtGox ID to be verified?

WU delivers in 30 minutes in most cases. I think I'd prefer paying the extra $1.50 for that.

You basically illustrated my point. One girl says "I don't think bitcoin will work", so a neckbeard breaks up with her instead of just being patient because "fuck anyone who has a different religious, political or technological opinion than me!".  

"Lesser of two evils" argument? Boo. Bitcoin should stand on its own merits, and be defending logically, not emotionally. If there's something wrong with it, fix it or move to something else.

Back when I had already accepted my mistake and began manning up to it (50% are already paid and taken care of) I had actually messaged the forum mods for their advice on paying his victims in his absence, but then the very good point was raised that if I did that, I would also have to start looking into paying people who lost something due to the bet, lost something who trusted someone else who bet, etc etc etc the list goes on.

In short, I'm simply making a peace offering to people because I believe it's the right thing to do. Everyone involved who has responded has agreed to this. BTC Guy is just grandstanding, looking for more suckers to send him money before he runs off again and knows that posting in a Matthew thread will get him the most attention. Work on getting your scammer tag removed BTC Guy. When you're doing paying people, I'll be happy to negotiate as I have, and pay you a settlement as I have already done for 50% of the individuals in my bet so far.

..and not at all with Western Union, who is basically doing the same thing anyone could while using Bitcoin if they had friends helping them in different parts of the world. Anyone bashing WU is just jealous that they aren't doing the same thing *with* Bitcoin.

That and a male prostitution business.

That's enough grandstanding, TheFounder. Kicking and screaming is going to push them to ignore you even more.

As for instawallet, they're probably embarrassed and considering how to respond. Give them time. What is it with this community and an inherent sense of entitlement?

Judging by the responses, I'd be surprised if anyone responding wasn't single.

Yep, snaps like a rubber band in slow motion. Eventually everything returns to normal until someone stretches the rubber band again with a new technology.

How much does it cost to take $500 USD, send it to an exchange, buy BTC on the market, send it to someone, have them sell it on the market at a different exchange, wire it to themselves, then take it out of an ATM? $45+? Thought so.

WU are not scammers. WU is basically a centralized version of bitcoin, but where everything is closed up and behind curtains. Take a breath.

Anyone who would break up with their girlfriend over their opinion of bitcoin is a sad SOB imo. That's like breaking up with her because of her religion, or simply for her political views. If you break up with her, make it because she's generally irrational on all subjects and is unworkable as a partner for the long term. Otherwise, I would be telling her "time to find another boyfriend".

My girlfriend watches the open orders charts all the time with interest, and she's often wanted to learn to be a day trader simply because of bitcoin. Where did you find your girlfriend?

In further response to this topic, there is a growing sense of "religion" to bitcoin and it's quite sickening. Yes, every following needs supporters, but support should be logical, not emotional. Once you hear people screaming in your ear that "if you don't use bitcoin, you're going to lose!" then it becomes a ponzi scheme, fraud, and you start to see everyone around you as being delusional. I know that's not exact, as many do truly see the potential bitcoin can bring, but look at OP for example. Instead of just admitting that an anonymous currency is basically a hacker/thiefs wet dream and that the scamming will obviously get worse over time, he'd prefer to paint the paranoid picture that people are out to get it. Sound familiar, Christians?


Will PM.

It always bothered me that pro-bitcoiners with so much imagination would often miss the most simplest of explanations. When someone is holding bitcoin, they want good news about bitcoin to be heard. When someone knows bitcoin will be worth a lot later but didn't get to buy in cheap, they want bad news about bitcoin to be heard, until they can buy in.

As for the general topic of discrediting bitcoin, bitcoiners do that pretty well by themselves. If everyone here talked like Yifu Guo, we'd probably already be there by now. Instead, they all talk like dank.

Don't you mean 'abit'?

I didn't see a single thing wrong with what he said.

I guess it's better than inbreeding.

Where is the 250 BTC you would have given me if I won? You can't repay anyone you scammed without me giving you money, then you couldn't pay me if I had won.

That's equivalent to evading a ban imo. Besides, I'm not proud of my own behavior in the past, but it's who I am and I own it. It's like watching someone working out as a skinny weakling and meeting them later in life when they're buff, and them denying that they were ever skinny and weak. They simply wouldn't. They'd be beaming and proud of their change. I'd be robbing myself of that I guess.

For an extreme example, Sonny, the CEO of BFL, is a convicted criminal who was arrested for a fraud basically doing exactly what BFL is doing now, and people still send them money. Do you really think a scammer tag is going to keep me from doing business, having friends, getting married, investing, learning, collaborating, and supporting projects? It's more likely that the bad habit of creating sock puppets (like some others here) will leak into their real lives and make them cowards. No thanks!

You guys laugh, but in many circumstances, Western Union kicks bitcoin's balls in like an experienced prostitute being manhandled in an alleyway.

The only complaint I have about WU is that the Korean banks are tied in with them (there is no WU branch in Korea that isn't at a bank teller's window), so they really don't like using it for certain amounts, in any certain frequency, etc. One time I went in and they made me wait 3 hours, just to tell me that I wasn't allowed to receive money from that bank branch again until I opened an account, then told me that I might as well just wire it through their bank instead.

Other than that single case in Korea, I think WU is not only better than Bitcoin (no exchange fees, wire fees, loss of value due to market fluctuation, can use credit card, etc) at sending money overseas, why anyone would prefer bitcoin who doesn't already have it is beyond me. Now for people who already hold bitcoins, obviously WU is a step backwards, of course.

That's not true, and I already told you the reason in PM. It's not a matter of reputation. Everyone here knows I think many bitcoiners are retarded, delusional and irrational thinkers who have no place in the real world. This is about integrity. Just because I think someone is an idiot, doesn't mean I have the right to screw with their finances and get their hopes up. I deserve this punishment for crossing a very serious line, there is no doubt about it. It's kind of like going out drifting with your friends because "fuck the police" (done it), and ending up getting in a wreck and someone gets hurt. How can any sane person feel good about that afterwards? As the driver, I feel awful. I just want to make sure everyone in that car and outside is taken care of. It's not an issue of if I'm allowed to drive again, no one can stop me from driving again, not here, not anywhere. I don't need permission from people on an internet forum to drive. This is about being on my death bed and knowing I didn't do the right thing when I screwed up.

Having said that, I am positive there were numerous people who had no intention of paying me if they lost (because I have received numerous messages admitting to that). For an admitted scammer/welcher to come here demanding I pay him without realizing he's like #118 on the list of people before him who are also demanding to be paid, he's delusional. Doing the right thing would be ignoring him completely to be honest. The only reason I would ever begin to settle with him is because without settling with him, it leaves this issue open forever. I'm not going to settle with a scammer though, there's no debating that.