Most important part IMO: "This branch is the full release of what I had done of InstantX" ... yeah, but if you continue reading it says ... "but with InstantX disabled." |
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holy shit, I have never seen so many green numbers at coinmarketcap... Awesome! |
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So every coin will have his own character... For example, bitcoin will be slow and fat, but veeeeeery big...  etc... I hope you have something special in mind for fiat too.  Oh yes, and FBI, CIA, IRS and all those criminals too....  After some time, when I have found my style (or it has found me rather) and when I am able to create the cartoon efficiently, I could implement recent events into the cartoon (think mt.gox, karpeles, mintpal, lawsky/govt related stuff, etc...) |
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You need the official DRK fonts over at darkcoin.io
on the resource page - recently posted :-)
I'll check it out. Thanks. |
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I like the idea. The cartoons are great and would be in favor to contribute to that idea - particularly if all the cartoons are concentrated on a single website and some of them on even on darkcoin.io
Also, if someone around here is a voice talent, we could turn all those cartoons easily into HD toons with soundFX and such, and post them on youtube. As you probably noted I already tried to do some lip-synching animation here. (or text-synching rather, lol) I can provide cartoonish music and FX, I would just need someone with serious voice talent. Oh, and some DRK wouldn't hurt. |
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I like the idea. The cartoons are great and would be in favor to contribute to that idea - particularly if all the cartoons are concentrated on a single website and some of them on even on darkcoin.io
Thanks. I already have tons of ideas, and am working on giving all the (important) coins a cartoony face... basically attaching eyes, mouth and arms, so that they all can be very expressive.  So every coin will have his own character... For example, bitcoin will be slow and fat, but veeeeeery big... etc... |
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So I was thinking about starting a cartoon to celebrate evan's achievements:  A proposal: Is the community/foundation willing to pay me a monthly amount of DRK (I don't know, 150 DRK or something) so I can allocate some time every day and create a daily cartoon? I could create hilarious confrontations between darkcoin and other coins, etc... Let me know your thoughts. Donations: XtAdMy5nSxArut6rKKLQXxm84rpJNipXib |
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I think it's german for "subscription" or "feed" |
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A fringe idea thrown in here. What if someone else  is randomly chosen to pay for your darksend fee? So you the recipient would owe this guy some money, but he wouldn't know who it is that he payed the first darksend-round-fee for? And somehow this guy will get his fee payed back after the other guy finished the darksend mixing process? |
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- This is not a bug. A bug is something that is semi-working or is working but can be "flaky." Darksend is currently broken and does not anonymize which is our flag ship.
- Changing everything else around Darksend is wrong and we could irreverently back our self into a corner by taking the easy way instead of and I hate to say it, fixing darksend even if it's rewriting it.
So I guess my thoughts come down to, how do we fix darksend without having to change everything that resolves around it? I agree. So it's a combination of darksend-fee and same-amount-of-denomination-each-round that potentially makes it possible to trace a transaction. We need to make it untraceable again. If this requires that we add additional layers of mixing to make the darksend process work again, then that's what we have to do. Surely, the solution can't be to fix the problem (remove the tumor) by ripping out all the "infected organs". It seems that's its not so much the fee in itself that is the problem. The problem is that the fee for first round of mixing could potentially provide a trace back to the original address, because it is not anonymized yet. What if the first round of mixing is "free" and subsequent rounds carry the standard fee? Just an idea :-) Very interesting. But what are the dangers of mixing the first round for free? What if someone starts a lot of one round mix sessions, over and over again? With no intention to ever go to round 2? |
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- This is not a bug. A bug is something that is semi-working or is working but can be "flaky." Darksend is currently broken and does not anonymize which is our flag ship.
- Changing everything else around Darksend is wrong and we could irreverently back our self into a corner by taking the easy way instead of and I hate to say it, fixing darksend even if it's rewriting it.
So I guess my thoughts come down to, how do we fix darksend without having to change everything that resolves around it? I agree. So it's a combination of darksend-fee and same-amount-of-denomination-each-round that potentially makes it possible to trace a transaction. We need to make it untraceable again. If this requires that we add additional layers of mixing to make the darksend process work again, then that's what we have to do. Surely, the solution can't be to fix the problem (remove the tumor) by ripping out all the "infected organs". |
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Ah, now I get it. instant TX is only possible with previously anonymized coins. (I kept confusing "anonymization process" with darksend.) Darksend and instant TX ARE two completely different ways of how you send the previously anonymized coins. Or how exactly are they related? Shit I am confuuuused... but in an amusing way. What good is darksend if we have instant TX? Or is instant TX about to replace darksend for good? Darksend is the process of anonymisation - denominating your balance and them mixing it with other users. InstantX is completely unrelated, except that Masternodes also make it possible. You will be able to IntantX both anonymised and non-anonymised funds. Thanks. lol, now I know why camosoul bitched about the name darksend so much a few weeks/months ago. So Darksend is mixing, and nothing else.And when you have mixed funds, you can use them, and send them like a normal transaction to a reciever (who would not be able to understand who sent him the funds). Instant TX (why keep people say InstantX?) is a new form of making a transaction, and this will be possible with both anonymised and non-anonymised funds. Alright, thanks for the recap, my brain was slightly out of place. |
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When you become a member of something, you have different set of rights and protections. There are terms and conditions....which brings in regulators - potentially.
Excellent point. What happens if someone is unhappy with the subscription and wants his money back. He could sue you... but wait, who would he sue? The darkcoin foundation? On closer examination, all this doesn't make any sense. But what if those subscriptions aren't really subscriptions, but something else? Paying a fee is mandatory.... but voluntarily paying for a service/subscription makes you a "customer" who needs to be "protected" by government. lol |
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Alright Evan, would you mind recap what the proposal is so far?
Also I think a Pay per Darksend process is better than for a period of time, but it's the source of the issue, right?
Yeah, it's the source. The Proposal: Hardfork the network to provide completely zero-fee darksend mixing. However, when users start they'll pay a "subscription". When mixing on a masternode, they provide proof they own that subscription and the masternode will allow them to mix. After mixing, only masternodes are capable of transmitting these zero-fee transactions to the network by signing them, and they are restricted to only send 1 a day (some calculation based off the total amount of masternodes). Subscriptions could come in day/month/yearly forms. Edit: I've got to run! We'll continue this later or maybe sleep over this, and look at it tomorrow again? Maybe you can fix the fee problem. I don't like new features that are implemented solely to get rid of bugs. |
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Why? So you pay 0.05DRK when you want to mix, then you mix how ever much you want. If your client goes over 24 hours, it'll spend another 0.05DRK to keep going. It eliminates the timing attacks and double spending attacks.
people could still spam during that window and bloat the network for free, no? DOS attacks? We could have a masternode sign the transaction when publishing it. The distribution should be really even among the masternodes, so that would eliminate bloat. So if you own 1 masternode, you could publish 1 transaction every 2 days currently. So it requires 1000DRK to use this feature and you still can't use it very much. I think I misunderstood something here.. If someone pays a small amount to be able to darksend for 24hours, then it means those people could mega spam during 24 hours, regardless of the MNs, no? EDIT: or you meant people pay for the time the anonymization process? Then they actually darksend 10 days later for free if they want to? So if it's about anonymizing the funds, then yes people can't spam or DDOS Correct - people pay for the anonymization process for 24hrs, not darksend. They are essentially paying to access to the masternode network with their 0.1DRK for a period of 24hrs in which they need to provide the transaction 0.1DRK to gain access and the signature of the coins they need to mix to prove its theirs. Ah, now I get it. instant TX is only possible with previously anonymized coins. (I kept confusing "anonymization process" with darksend.) Darksend and instant TX ARE two completely different ways of how you send the previously anonymized coins. Or how exactly are they related? Shit I am confuuuused... but in an amusing way. What good is darksend if we have instant TX? Or is instant TX about to replace darksend for good? |
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I think I misunderstood something here.. If someone pays a small amount to be able to darksend for 24hours, then it means those people could mega spam during 24 hours, regardless of the MNs, no?
EDIT: or you meant people pay for the time the anonymization process? Then they actually darksend 10 days later for free if they want to? So if it's about anonymizing the funds, then yes people can't spam or DDOS
Well, that's the thing, would it be spamming, or providing awesome liquidity? (remember the liquidity provider tool?) |
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Just not sure about the fee for a period of time
Me too. Why? So you pay 0.05DRK when you want to mix, then you mix how ever much you want. If your client goes over 24 hours, it'll spend another 0.05DRK to keep going. It eliminates the timing attacks and double spending attacks. People are used to registering for monthly or yearly subscriptions. Maybe offer those too, and give the user some discount? monthly 10% off yearly 50% off. |
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add the fees to InstantX - Give people the option to pay for first class mail, vs. second class mail.
That's it! So we would have a few different fee-permutations. How much would each cost? 1) user makes transaction without darksend and without Instant TX 2) user makes transaction with darksend and without Instant TX 3) user makes transaction without darksend and with Instant TX 4) user makes transaction with darksend and with Instant TX But Darksend and instantx are separate. Evan already said that instantx will not speed up Darksend. Does somebody have the quote? It was from a few days ago. Then I am wrong, I always assumed that instant TX per definition is only possible with previously mixed darksend money. |
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add the fees to InstantX - Give people the option to pay for first class mail, vs. second class mail.
That's it! So we would have a few different fee-permutations. How much would each cost? 1) user makes transaction without darksend and without Instant TX 2) user makes transaction with darksend and without Instant TX 3) user makes transaction without darksend and with Instant TX (oh wait, that's not possible, lol, needs to be denominated/mixed to be instant TXable, right?) 4) user makes transaction with darksend and with Instant TX |
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I think I'm in favor of hard-forking the network to make Darksend transactions completely free. So there will be no fees to track at all. Instead of the miners, they could pay either the masternode network (the one you connected to even), the development fund, foundation fund, etc. These payments would be passed to the masternode and could be cashed later to avoid timing analysis. Another upside to this is it's impossible to do in Bitcoin and the fees could be MUCH lower than 0.0125. Thoughts?
making things more affordable for the enduser is always a good idea. But I don't understand, you want to make darksend transactions completely free, yet pass payments to the masternode network? Are you talking about voluntary fees?
If something becomes completely free, doesn't this enable DOS attacks?And blockchain bloat? I don't think so. Evan is only talking about darksend transactions, which are outside the blockchain anyway. (if I am not mistaken) |
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