I understand the problem that comes from DDOSing parts of the network... but what other sources of danger are there?
It's a complex and dynamic distributed system, dog only knows.  - Good idea to make it expensive to attack at all though, just on general principles.  dog doesn't know shit, if only satoshi could help us!  |
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We will see, if spreadcoin can make truly accessible masternodes that don't need you to invest an arm and a leg to take part.
Dirt cheap to set up means dirt cheap for bad actors to set up... but as I have previously prophesied, they aren't going be dirt cheap for long. ...and what if the bad actors (who own masternodes) must also obey the rules of the protocol, and can't really cause any serious damage? (like stealing your coins, etc..) Ofcourse it depends what service your masternode provides. Suppose we have a compromised masternode in darkcoin.... the bad actor can then probably de-anonymize the transactions that "go thru his node", that's the damage he can do. Not more. But if your SPR masternode is simply serving instantx (signing transactions or whatever that means) and nothing more then what exactly will a bad actor be able to do with his "bad node"? I understand the problem that comes from DDOSing parts of the network... but what other sources of danger are there? |
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Since the first spreacoin masternodes will only do instant transaction (but that hopefully very professionally) and no anonymization, maybe we will not need any expensive servers etc...
Instead what we may end up with are thousands of "entitites" that can be as common as the wallets themselves.
We will see, if spreadcoin can make truly accessible masternodes that don't need you to invest an arm and a leg to take part.
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The QT client is just the daemon with some GUI stuff on top, you can run a MN via the QT just fine, but then your CPU/RAM/HD etc. requirements are all double because you need all the extra stuff for the GUI client to work, so you're having to run/rent a beefier server... why bother? It's easier and cheaper to use the CLI daemon.
Nothing stopping you from running a MN at home using the QT client if that's what you want to do though.
Ok, I never thought of it this way... |
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And a Masternode is just a wallet with some linked collateral, I regularly use a wallet that happens to also 'be' a Masternode.
Well ofcourse the daemon is just the same for wallet and masternode, but they run in a different mode, right? But it's not like with darkcoin you had your QT-wallet on your home-pc act like a masternode, right? But maybe SPR will allow for that. (sorry for the dumb questions, I never ran a masternode, but I plan to, soon, side by side with a SPR node, :-) ) |
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So I will look forward to install a SPR masternode on one of my raspberry Pi's then, and run it from my home?  If I understood you correctly we come closer and closer to one day have our masternode INSIDE our wallet? Having them both be the same thing if a person desires? (Another person might desire to run a big server why not) You can run bitcoind on a pi with a bit of effort but spreadcoind in Masternode mode is going to have a shitload more overhead, I don't think a pi is going to cut it. Plenty of better spec'd cheap little SOC boards out there though. And a Masternode is just a wallet with some linked collateral, I regularly use a wallet that happens to also 'be' a Masternode. Maybe a banana pi? Maybe I will just designate one of my pcs and make it a home-run-masternode. I think my internet connection is fast enough, and from march onwards I will have fibre at home (down/up both 100MBit) But security concerns me quite very much, since you will not only compromise a server, but your whole home-network this way. But if I understand Mr.Spread correctly, SPR masternodes will not necessarily need to broadcast their IP, so this could be a good thing... So regarding the overhead of a masternode, how much CPU / RAM does a darkcoin masternode usually need to successfully run? |
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Happy birthday darkcoin. |
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Guys, is it possible to say "this is my masternode's ip"? because I want to use no-ip.org which gives you a static ip. But it is actually just a redirect type thing. (i don't know what it's called)
So yeah, can I run a masternode from my (dynamic ip) house like this?
Initial masternode implementation will not require you to have a static IP. Instant transactions simply don't require this: someone broadcasts transaction, masternode receive this transactions, sign it and broadcasts this signature, there is no need for anyone to directly connect to masternodes. Nodes will monitor time delays between receiving transactions and confirmations from masternodes and will assign scores for each masternode according to these delays. This score and deposit amount will affect which masternodes will receive payments. What is actually important here is not a whether your IP address is static or dynamic but whether or not you can accept incoming connections. I want to make it optional in the future so that if your masternode can accept connections you will broadcast your IP address, if your IP address is dynamic then you will just broadcast another message to announce your new address. Both initiator of transaction and masternodes want to confirm transaction as fast as possible and initiator will be able send transaction directly to required masternodes, since this will decrease delays between transactions and confirmations masternodes which can accept connections will be valued higher. All this knowledge you have is exactly why I invested in you. Requiring masternodes to have static IPs and accept connections makes network more centralized because many people will run their masternodes on hostings like Amazon, we don't want many of our masternodes to be located in the same datacenter, right? Possibility to rebroadcast your address fixes this at least partially because you don't need to have static IP and may be able to accept connections on your home computer (this depends on your ISP).
So I will look forward to install a SPR masternode on one of my raspberry Pi's then, and run it from my home? If I understood you correctly we come closer and closer to one day have our masternode INSIDE our wallet? Having them both be the same thing if a person desires? (Another person might desire to run a big server why not) |
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....they are subtracting points in 4D space ...
...subtracting points in 4D space.... you just blew my fuc*king mind. Care to explain what each of the 4 dimensions of such an "object" represents? Can it be that they are the 4 numbers that represent an IP? |
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Sweet jebus, you guys see what's going on with DRK? 25k buy wall put up at the best price by Otoh for Darkcoin's bday.
Shouldn't be long before Spreadcoin gets some of them heavy-hitters.
JL
Oh yes I heard it was DarkCoin's Birthday today! Well that's kind of cool to see another Crypto survive a year Can't wait to celebrate SpreadCoin's first year Birthday this year and I'm sure we will be celebrating it as one of the Top 10 coins  Anyone think that is a possibility? Because I do Yes, today is Darkcoins first birthday, let's celebrate this. At Noon PST there will be a special bitcoin rush episode running on youtube at the world crypto network. https://www.youtube.com/user/WorldCryptoNetworkSo in about 10 9 hours if I am not mistaken. We will see the host interview eduffield. And I created a few cartoon animations for this episode so I hope you will all watch and enjoy! PS I am looking forward to SPR's first birthday too. Until then, let's work our asses of and make SPR just as big as DRK! |
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 First fud is a good sign! Finally the trolls, nay-sayers and come-latelies got wind of us. |
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Hey everybody, what is the recommended tx fee when sending SPR?
For btc it's 0.0001
how much for spr?
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I was thinking "How could this be not safe for work?" while the page was loading. So you're a furry? Yep - kind of surprised you haven't seen one of my screenshots already, if you're a GPU miner. I remember seeing one of your screenshots half a year ago in the darkcoin thread, haha. So I knew what to expect. |
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But what spreadcoin wallet is even installed like a true full node? Has anyone here installed a true FULL NODE on his pc, I doubt it.
All running and synced Spread wallets are full nodes. Just means they each have a complete and up to date blockchain. Every wallet syncs with the rest of the network or it would be useless. But my question is, how does my wallet help other wallets sync. My understanding has always been that usually you need to do some tweaking in the conf file and your router before your wallet can truly act like a full node with many in/out connections. Hasn't bitcoin only got something like 10k full nodes worldwide? Maybe I am mixing up things a little bit here. I experienced the same thing with BitMessage by the way. If I just install it the way it comes, it will not run perfectly, but stay in a kind of semi connected way, allowing for the download of the blockchain and transmitting of my messages, but not really helping at all when it comes to spreading the blockchain to other nodes. Right? It needs router and conf adjustments to be able to do that. I assume it's the same thing with all blockchain/wallet related software. But it depends what firewall/router configuration you have. And that's where Masternodes come in which serve as full fledged high powered servers, and not just wallets. |
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But what spreadcoin wallet is even installed like a true full node? Has anyone here installed a true FULL NODE on his pc, I doubt it.
All running and synced Spread wallets are full nodes. Just means they each have a complete and up to date blockchain. but for example my spread wallet doesn't have the ports open, and no server mode activated. So it is not a full node, right? Or does spreadcoin do that by default? Every crytpo coin's port is open by default.Otherwise you won't see so many active connections to SPR network. Sorry, yes I didn't mean to say port open, I meant server mode. How many max connections, and does it broadcast the blockchain or ONLY downloading it from others. |
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But what spreadcoin wallet is even installed like a true full node? Has anyone here installed a true FULL NODE on his pc, I doubt it.
All running and synced Spread wallets are full nodes. Just means they each have a complete and up to date blockchain. but for example my spread wallet doesn't have the server mode activated. I have always like max 8 connections to the outside world. Most are outgoing, NOT incoming. So it is not a full node, right? Or does spreadcoin do that by default? If I install a spreadcoin daemon on my server it has 100 connections (mostly outgoing connections, since I am serving).... so I see THAT as a full node... right? |
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Yup.. this has turned into nothing more than DRK crypto-fiat spinoff, minus the insane ninja launch, instamine and reward reductions.
It's not really a spinoff, spreadcoin will recreate masternodes from the ground up, striving for more decentralization and competition. Lets recreate the nodes instead. Just as DRK's game changers, these "improvements" are mainly there to benefit the insiders and /or the whales. Will a truely decentralized crypto plzzzzzzzzzz step forward ! I am all for that too BTW. If we could get rid of masternodes and instead improve the wallet itself. Fantastic. But a server has constant open connections (in/out) with the network and can serve a lot of functions, which a wallet can't do. What spreadcoin wallet is even installed like a true full node? Has anyone here installed a true FULL NODE on his pc, I doubt it. |
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I think Mr.Spread can publish some key specs about MN ,then let the community discuss .
Something tells me that those key specs will have to be found out thru testnet observations later this month, when we start the testing. What importance does it have for you to make Mr.Spread just "guess" this number right now? |
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if we wanna attract a lot of new people and immediately create a big network of masternodes, why not get rid of any requirement. I am even thinking about none at all, ZERO, NADA. Not 1 SPR as I said before.... better yet, why not 0 SPR. (I am serious) We'll need some minimum amount just to protect form potential DoS attack at launch, we don't want someone to try to create millions of masternodes. ... and those millions of masternodes will immediately be shut down (not allowed to continue) by the protocol, because of the 1000 masternodes which have more then zero SPR in them, right? Aren't all those zero-spr-masternodes going to communicate with the network, recieve the list of the top 1000 masternodes and quietly shut themselves down since they have too few SPR in them? Where exactly will the Ddosing happen? Constantly asking to send the list of the top 1000 allowed masternodes? Is this transmitted data going to be what bloats/attacks the system? Mr.Spread plz tell us some minimun requirements for MS now. Let's think this thru first, we can't make decisions like that on the fly . |
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if we wanna attract a lot of new people and immediately create a big network of masternodes, why not get rid of any requirement. I am even thinking about none at all, ZERO, NADA. Not 1 SPR as I said before.... better yet, why not 0 SPR. (I am serious) We'll need some minimum amount just to protect form potential DoS attack at launch, we don't want someone to try to create millions of masternodes. ... and those millions of masternodes will immediately be shut down (not allowed to continue) by the protocol, because of the 1000 masternodes which have more then zero SPR in them, right? Aren't all those zero-spr-masternodes going to communicate with the network, recieve the blockchain and list of the top 1000 masternodes and quietly shut themselves down since they have too few SPR in them? Where exactly will the Ddosing happen? Constantly asking the network to send the list of the top 1000 allowed masternodes? Is this transmitted data going to be what bloats/attacks the system? Isn't this data communicated thru the blockchain? If not, maybe it should, so that miners can secure this data. |
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