Well, I can't say I've heard that argument made, either.
Not only such argument was used in this thread (by BADdecker, but by now I've learnt to take what he says with a grain of salt) but also on the sites I originally linked. Well, consider for a second, petroleum geologists. They work with oil, eg fossil fuels, the GREAT SATAN, some would say. But they known the history of dirt and rock, so might be considered an "intelligent adversary." They are not going to claim such things. But why don't you define what you mean by these two terms, global cooling, and global warming, so that we are not just talking about different things but thinking they are the same. To me, there are cooling influences and warming influences on climate, and they sum each day to net effects. Thus it is nonsensical to deny one, or the other. But these influences would have to be against some standard, since "cooling" and "warming" are relative to something, right?
In here lies most of our misunderstandings, I'd reckon. Global warming & cooling to me climatic trends, which indicate whether the average world temperature is rising or decreasing, and therefore to claim global cooling exists is essentially to argue the world's temperatures in the long term are decreasing. Naturally there are cooling & warming influences, but these are factors that feed the pattern and not the pattern itself. Phrasing such as "influences..." ..."feed the pattern but not the pattern..." are not scientific. I assume the "pattern itself" is what, a world temperature? What is that? What, then, is the equilibrium temperature of the Earth? That question is more complex than it seems. What would equilibrium temperature mean? Which sphere of the Earth System is being accounted (I'm assuming only the atmosphere)? In which time scale? And, lastly, I don't see how knowing that would contribute to the conclusion there is/isn't global warming/cooling.... Let's just say thermodynamic equilibrium, which if reached would present a temperature measurable like on a gray body radiator. What you'd be seeking is that temperature upon which you'd superimpose say, man's co2 emissions, then noting their effects, or superimposing solar flare and solar wind effects, therefore measuring their effects. Otherwise, how could one make any intelligent assessment? But you don't have a baseline temperature? |
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couple funny things.
if someone came to a bank with 20 notes. they wont be out the door in 10 minutes..
secondly the bank teller/clerk. grabbing and counting the old notes. then grabs holds new bank notes.. (contact transfer) makes the process a little redundant
just imagine all the customers grabbing hold the door handle ...
As far as a source causing the spread, things like door knobs are likely top of the list. |
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...But they have been Demonized enough, perhaps not publicly, but let’s let our animosity sit in a locked box during this thought, so we can imagine reality for what it is, biases aside...
Why? |
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.... Trump didn't do anything immoral or illicit. The point of all of this, and the subject of the thread for that matter is the accusations against Trump are being used to draw attention away from the fact that The Democrat party is using D.A.R.V.O. tactics ad-nauseam to try to protect themselves from prosecution for their own crimes. See they never expected Trump to get in and were counting on a pass from Killery. Now they have to remove Trump or face justice themselves. ... I think a way to understand this pro-Biten-as-VICTIM posturing and latest round of Orange Man Bad is to reflect on the fact that its the same people that were reflexively arguing Hillary Good now saying Biden Good Orange Man Bad. Of course they won't admit they were Hillary devotees. After Biden's gone they won't admit they were Biden bumblefucks either.
It's just whoever they are told to follow at the moment.
Well, that didn't take long. Biden's going...going...gone. |
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In fact, what larger presses DO use as a global cooling "argument" is the idea that sun activity is paramount to Earth's climate and thus if sun activity increases global warming happens and if it decreases global cooling happens. Which I have pointed out a few posts behind is not scientifically accurate.
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Well, I can't say I've heard that argument made, either. But then, you may be using these terms "global warming" and "global cooling" somewhat differently than I would, or you may be tossing them around without really understanding them, somehow taking it for granted that "everyone understands what they mean." Of course, if "sun activity" was limited or set arbitrarily equal to a measure of illumination such as TSI, then the basic equations here would show a corresponding swing in temperatures. Well, except that actually, there would be a change in heat content, which might or might not be reflected immediately in temperature. But realistically, say the increase in temperature from 6AM to 1PM would show a variation that was measurable and replicatable, and which moved with the TSI. That is of course, an incomplete view. Numerous other output products from the Sun influence our climate, directly and indirectly. The solar wind, and cosmic rays affect climate. But why don't you define what you mean by these two terms, global cooling, and global warming, so that we are not just talking about different things but thinking they are the same. To me, there are cooling influences and warming influences on climate, and they sum each day to net effects. Thus it is nonsensical to deny one, or the other. But these influences would have to be against some standard, since "cooling" and "warming" are relative to something, right? What, then, is the equilibrium temperature of the Earth? |
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Eh not really quickly, according to the source I put above: One method for cleaning money is to use ultraviolet light or high temperatures on it, then seal the cash away for one to two weeks before releasing it back into circulation. When possible, the Chinese bank said, it would provide brand-new banknotes to people. UV disinfection works pretty quickly. It sounds like the 2 week storage period is just a redundancy. Would not want to leave anything left alive except the recently mutated UV-resistant strain, of course. ...Just joking... |
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You're missing my point. ...
If I'm missing a point, it's because you are now spewing them in about eighteen different directions. This whole thing is very simple. What I did was simply correct your mistake, using your link. Actually the scientific link in the popular article. I assume that's okay right? You said this... This is the (incorrect) hypothesis called global cooling, the concept the globe's actually cooling (I assume you believe the Earth is a globe at the very least, right?). Essentially, people misusing the geological time scale and large-period climatic oscillations to justify beliefs for a short-term climatic oscilation.THEN I POINTED OUT And you were wrong. The article and the article it linked to didn't say that. AND YOU SAID. I think I now get your point here.It doesn't matter if you got the point. You were wrong. You said "people misuse the geological time scale and large-0period climatic oscillations to justify beliefs for a short-term climatic oscillation." Your words, your problem. If I'm wrong, please just point to the paragraph where they "misuse the geological time scale."  No more goal shifting please. Why not do this. Restate the primary thesis (One concept, not fourteen), and back that with one or two decent links? |
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...Examine symptom information and disseminate it whenever possible.
It's hard even for docs to tell flu vs colds apart. If a flu, to prove that one has the problematic coronavirus requires a phlegm lab test. So everyone that gets the flu will have to figure out if they have the the coronavirus, or something different. A hundred times as many will get the flu, as get the coronavirus. Flu or cold?
With a cold, most people get a scratchy throat, then a runny nose and eventually develop a cough. Those symptoms, as well as fever and headache, can plague a person for days, making them feel listless.
By comparison, the flu hits you all at once: A flu patient's head and limbs ache, a dry cough begins, one's voice becomes hoarse, painful throat aches occur and a high fever (up to 41°C / 105°F), often accompanied by chills, can knock you out in short order. One just wants to stay in bed, feels exhausted, has no appetite and can sleep for hours on end.https://www.dw.com/en/coronavirus-cold-or-flu-symptoms-how-to-tell-the-difference/a-52233885 |
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Why not just like, burn the money that they think is infected and print the same amount more? Is it really that costly that they want to quarantine it to be tested and then put it back into circulation, seems kinda stupid to me. But I guess I'm not the leader of a major superpower and am not going to be making decisions like this ever. It is nonsense. They could simply use chemical or UV disinfectant. Like I said, this just sounds like a good pretext for banning cash money and stripping more freedoms as usual. Seems like they'd need some machines that would lay the bills out flat for a spray or chem process, then gather them back up. Existing paper handling equipment could be modified to do that. If they didn't have enough such equipment or if it wasn't deployed to where ever bills are sent, then this would be a bottleneck in circulating cash. Another way (my preference) would be just to tell people who get cash to use such processes. |
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Individuals need to educate themselves on how to protect themselves from contracting the virus and if they get it, educate themselves on how to avoid spreading the virus. They would need to take these precautions.
Alcohol hand sanitizer is to protect yourself. A mask is mostly to prevent infecting other people. If you had to, would you be ready to self-isolate yourself for two weeks? |
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Open discussion. Not about what can/should governments do, or who the bad guys are. Assume it's as bad as the Great Influenza of 1918, but we know more now, and we're going to do better this time.
A small percentage will die, many - some that you know and some that you don't know - will be quarantined.
What can you do to help?
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Your analysis of fiat conflates Cash with all fiat; and may actually be backwards.
Without electricity, Crypto safely resides in various blockchains and wallets. Fiat, the largest fraction of which resides in electronic ledgers, may be forever lost.
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Neither crypto, or fiat, is dependent on the Internet. The messages by which transactions are sent to miners are not Internet based. And for Fiat, pretty much the same is true.</b>
Hmm. Good point. I did conflate cash with fiat. They are absolutely not the same. And you're correct Crypto will still exist, but in a very crippled form. I would not consider to be useful in the zombie apocalypse. Although it would be potentially be useful after we rise up out of the ashes. Crypto would be the most useful thing rising out of the ashes of a zombie apocalypse. Or whatever. That is because you can do business with it; when the banks and credit cards are down. All that is required is the ability to check numbers against the blockchain, and business and commerce start again. |
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That's great opportunity for a mankind to explore the planet. Man, I wish I could be on of those 200,000 lucky guys.
The 200,000 lucky guys (and girls btw) were the applicants. "On December 30, 2013, Mars One announces the selection of the candidates from the applicant pool of over 200,000 hoping to establish human life on Martian soil. Mars One co-founder Bas Lansdorp describes the remaining 1058 candidates as our first tangible glimpse into what the new human settlement will truly look like." Source: Mars One announces Round 2 Astronaut Selection ResultsThe lucky ones will take the journey to Mars in teams of four starting with 2024. Every two years a new crew will depart. At least that is the plan now. Rather than be skeptical, let's talk about betting odds on whether this happens. Lay your BTC down. |
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Not only do they have NCoV and Bird Flu, let's not forget that their livestock are still being ravaged by African Swine Flue. Sounds crazy but just image what other viruses could still be lurking in there and mutating.
damit chinese might become the next europeans, after they have survived all those diseases and become immune to them they could use them as a colonial weapons, like europeans did with americans and australians Maybe, who knows. Now they might be running out of pork and chickens. If they ever get a cow disease then they might end up having to go vegan. Buddha think long long term? |
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According to article i read virus are spread from animals to humans normally if leave wild animals in forests nothing happens , but what humans are doing is deforestation due to which humans are entering the wild ares and come in contact with animals or animals are entering in to the cities
Most of the virus have started in china , due to over population deforestation is more and Chinese to eat all type of animals and human to human contact is more in over populated areas
.... The basic take-away that a lot of the idiot class will be that if those Chinese just stopped eating everything which moves and buy their chicken in McNugget form from Tyson, all would be OK. As usual, the greenie class will have the their opinion reinforced that all humans should die and Mother Gaia will be happy. I think it's more ... Churches Fried Chicken but maybe McD also. Nearly 10 percent of the human genome is made of bits of virus DNA. For the most part, this viral DNA is not harmful. In some cases, scientists are finding, it actually has a beneficial impact.https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/11/161128151050.htm |
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Sounds like a good excuse to ban cash and force everyone to use digital currencies where every penny is tracked.
I agree. The dangerous cash should all be remitted to a safe haven, a place where it can be carefully watched and sterilized. Just send it all to me. |
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I keep seeing vegan propaganda about people being able to get all the nutrients they need from supplements and it's much healthier or something because most people are deficient.
However, this isn't backed by the NHS or NIH who both claim that most people get the right amount of different vitamins and minerals. The NHS and NIH both go as far as to state that a long term use of supplements could actually be harmful to the body. I'm guessing the doctors have it right but since both don't cite sources it's difficult for me to work it out.
I'ma make this self mod, I don't plan to delete anything but if somethings too spammy I reserve the right to delete it. I'm after an intellectual debate, I won't delete differing views especially if they're empirically backed.
These two ideas are not inconsistent. A vegan or anyone else that regulates food by a rule set for some philosophical concept has ZERO certainty of getting all essential nutrients. The typical reality for most people is just eat whatever they want, that may lead to obesity and other issues, but not a deficiency of essential minerals and vitamins. |
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There are lots of ways coronavirus can spread, in which Chinese paper currencies one of them. From paper money, it can spread from where to where no one can imagine. So what?  Now a report shows that the Chinese government has taken action against circulation of paper money in order the disinfected fiat cash will also need to be kept in quarantine for 7 to 14 days before reintroduced to the public, with the time bills are kept in isolation varying from region to region according to its level of infection with the virus. So now the countries that are exchanging Chinese paper money have to pay more attention to protect their peoples.  This is not new, its a realistic concern. |
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Trump who is no longer is caged by the impeachment threat has decided to mercilessly troll the democratic candidates, and the way he’s going about trolling those candidates is super funny. In fact he’s even urging his supporters to go out and vote for the weakest Democratic candidates in New Hampshire, and he even trolled Biden by asking reporters how’s Biden doing in the polls and expressed his sadness as Biden is not performing well in the polls. Which one of his trolling is your favourite, and do you expect his trolling to become more intense as the election race heats up? Read more here: https://editi[Suspicious link removed]/2020/02/11/politics/donald-trump-democratic-primary-new-hampshire/index.html Everyone forgets that Trump is a very smart and cunning wordlover. If Democrats think they can win, then they are mistaken. Lol you’re joking right? The man who has a “big, a brain”. The guy can barely speak words beyond a syllable or two (bias source- but nothing faked here - https://youtu.be/UE9BXkQ-SRc ). Anyone who constantly says things like “I have the best words” , doesn’t. I also don’t see how this is funny OP. I for one am embarrassed for having a president whom relentlessly bullies people he doesn’t like, on twitter for the world to see, like a 13 year old teenager would do. It shows a clear lack of intelligence ... What you are saying is pretty laughably incorrect. It's possible for a person to be extremely intelligent and have verbal deficiencies. Many people have made this mistake before. There are numerous classical examples. |
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Religion has probably been around since whatever point the mammals we've evolved into became intelligent enough to start making up answers to things we didn't know, like what happens when you die.
Between 1 and 2 million years ago is my guess.
Imagine all the forks and altcoins of religion that have been forgotten forever but influenced todays religion somehow.
Not exactly "forgotten", but which lost out in the competition to create a stronger tribal unit. You may not like it, but those religions which survive a millennia are not likely to be shitcoins. |
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