Can I start a business called darkcoinsoft.com (or something like that) and reuse the darkcoin logo?
Or do I break some darkcoin foundation rule with this?
I'm not sure if the name is trademarked (I don't think it is) but he logo is under a CC BY-SA license so you're allowed to use it for whatever you want provided any design using it or derivatives of it have the same license. you are right, that's the license of the darkcoin logo on wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darkcoin#mediaviewer/File:Darkcoin_official_logo.png |
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For example, if a fan uses the "Brand Name" twitter feed for posting their own opinions etc...then of course it could damage the integrity of the brand. I had to unfollow darkcoin on twitter because it sounded like a p&d account.
Bitcoin is not a "brand" (atleast not in the sense of a product or identity). Everybody can put "bitcoin" in his company name, product or service. And this is obviously a very important part of bitcoins success story. Sorry, i thought you would get what i meant, perhaps i should of said "Official twitter feed" instead "Brand Name" Anybody can put darkcoin in their username, but when it comes from the official account...that's a different story. okok, but my question regarding "brand" still remains unanswered. Can I start a business called darkcoinsoft.com (or something like that) and reuse the darkcoin logo? Or do I break some darkcoin foundation rule with this? |
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disclaimer: Clothes may mix with others :-P
OMG, how hilarious!  |
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The only problem I see with the Darkcoin at this moment in time is a lack of direction in its philosophy.
Aren't you mistaking philosophy with promotion? I think since the start darkcoins philosophy has been lightyears ahead of all the other coins. It singlehandedly started the whole anonymous coin movement, and it remains the flag ship of cryptocurrencies that is sailing far out in uncharted waters. You are correct. I did mistake the philosophy - that was clearly stated from Evan's original withe paper - with the promotion of it. Nothing wrong with the messy message during the adoption process but still... I think now you are just mean. How could fan work possibly ever be hurtful to the thing it celebrates? When has fan art ever hurt music or movies or books, etc?
Being a fan is one thing, setting up a perception the said fan is almost an official representative of the coin and its community, on Twitter, is another. I did try to help Tao and I always said that I admire his efforts, but am I not having a right to express my opinion without being accused of being mean? The percieved speed of development in crypto comes mainly from this giant "cambrian explosion" like outgrowth coming from all the latecomers, opportunists and scammers... who want a piece of the cake. ..but remember that bitcoin just silently, patiently sits there, and hasn't even gone out of beta phase yet. It's still Version 0.9.3 !If you want to gauge the speed of crypto world, don't look at the altcoins, look at bitcoin!  Again, my bad for not being crystal clear. "Development in crypto world," was not a reference to Bitcoin development version but to the developments in adoption of the BTC as money / financial asset / store of value, you name it; I was referring to Bitcoin acceptance rate. Over 30,000 businesses are accepting BTC. I mean even PayPal, as seen in their payment hub, has integrated Bitcoin much faster that anyone has expected. So, perhaps I should have said the speed of developments around Bitcoin is mind-boggling. Visibility is everything, so say:
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I totally agree with all of that.
And people will slowly start doing all that when the time is ripe.
ufff -- finally something not totally off the mark  Thanks for the clarification. On second thought I don't think that we disagree on anything. I think what we need is some clear cut definition regarding darkcoin brand etc... and every confusion will go away. |
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I agree with all of you that there needs to be something official. Much like we have this one official github, and the one actual official darkcoin version to use. And the one official website. All this discussion is long overdue to finally "legally" define what fans/customers/users/merchants are allowed to do with the "brand" darkcoin (I hate to call it that). People should be allowed to use the name darkcoin for darkcoin related stuff... But it shouldn't be allowed for a firm to come along and use the name "darkcoin" for their new washing machine, or something.  Well, I am not sure, I would totally buy this washing machine if I needed a second one and had spare money to throw away. Can you imagine sitting in front of it and staring at the big D while it tumbles the clothes around. But hey I am an anarchist, even if someone wanted to call something not darkcoin related this way, I wouldn't care. It would just be strange. lol |
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I still believe that #getintothedark & The Darkcoin Chameleon were (are) a nonsense that hurt because it had been perceived as not serious, while semi-official representative of the Darkcoin community, and as such is a spitting image of the key problem, outlined above in the red.
I think now you are just mean.
How could fan work possibly ever be hurtful to the thing it celebrates?
When has fan art ever hurt music or movies or books, etc?
Unfortunately, it might come across that way...but that's certainty not what I intended. For example, if a fan uses the "Brand Name" twitter feed for posting their own opinions etc...then of course it could damage the integrity of the brand. I had to unfollow darkcoin on twitter because it sounded like a p&d account. This reminds me that there is an important part of darkcoin business that we haven't really made public yet (not to my knowledge) Bitcoin is not a "brand" (atleast not in the sense of a product or identity). Everybody can put "bitcoin" in his company name, product or service. And this is obviously a very important part of bitcoins success story. If this isn't the case with darkcoin, then we should really straight away clarify this once and for all. Who owns the darkcoin name? Who owns the darkcoin logo? How are they licenced, etc... Can I go ahead and create a software firm and call it darkcoinsoft.com ? Can I implement the darkcoin logo in my company logo? |
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Georgem we have to tell the story, clearly and concisely.
Please do so. Absolutely.But in the process of it, don't belittle any fan created material. (I am not saying that you specifically have done that, but in general)The one has nothing to do with the other. Both are essential, and must coexist. |
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The only problem I see with the Darkcoin at this moment in time is a lack of direction in its philosophy.
Aren't you mistaking philosophy with promotion? I think since the start darkcoins philosophy has been lightyears ahead of all the other coins. It singlehandedly started the whole anonymous coin movement, and it remains the flag ship of cryptocurrencies that is sailing far out in uncharted waters. Is it going to be a subversive element, a part of the shadow economy (20% of the world's economy is the shadow economy) or a tool for us to start building a new society free of oppression and tyranny or is it going to strive to become a mainstream coin in the vein of Bitcoin? Options are many but our plans, our direction, our philosophy are not. Thusly, we do not generate enough enthusiasm in the wider community of crypto enthusiasts; what is left seems to be only a bunch of nerds getting it and having some fun doing it, but no many others.
Being subversive IS the only way to start building a new society. (sure ain't going to get there by complying with arbitrary government rules) Bitcoin is not mainstream, it started everything. Remember that the transparency of bitcoin (while bad for a currency) is extremely valuable for all kinds of other things: contracts, claims, etc.. (it's the blockchain, bitchez!) this alone will start many additional revolutions (not just regarding money) I still believe that #getintothedark & The Darkcoin Chameleon were (are) a nonsense that hurt because it had been perceived as not serious, while semi-official representative of the Darkcoin community, and as such is a spitting image of the key problem, outlined above in the red.
I think now you are just mean. How could fan work possibly ever be hurtful to the thing it celebrates? When has fan art ever hurt music or movies or books, etc? I think that the problem is that people are heavily invested in darkcoin and expect a return on investment sooner than later, and so they get quite snippy and overreactive all the time (cue camosoul) I don't believe we can wait for three years as that last article suggests, given the speed of development crypto world is witnessing.
The percieved speed of development in crypto comes mainly from this giant "cambrian explosion" like outgrowth coming from all the latecomers, opportunists and scammers... who want a piece of the cake. ..but remember that bitcoin just silently, patiently sits there, and hasn't even gone out of beta phase yet. It's still Version 0.9.3 !If you want to gauge the speed of crypto world, don't look at the altcoins, look at bitcoin! Visibility is everything, so say:
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I totally agree with all of that. And people will slowly start doing all that when the time is ripe. |
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You will never manage to create a video that everybody likes. (ofcourse I am glad that you try nonetheless to achieve it)
Thanks for mentioning that, no hidden agenda...I want my investment to do as well as it can do. All I am saying is: GO FOR IT! I welcome every darkcoin video, no matter how it tries to look like. I think the big difference is, that the video you are thinking about will cost quite some money, and will probably have to be funded by the community. This needs careful consideration and must be well timed. (also, people might get pissed when it doesn't turn out the way they imagined) At this point in time, I just look at all the fans who put their own time and money into creating their own darkcoin stuff. Cheaper and more effective. It basically "can't go wrong" no matter how you put it. PS I love the kurzgesagt videos. |
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That's what this video and core marketing needs to communicate: Trust, Certainty, Backing, Credibility, Efficiency, Security, Anonymity, Privacy.
My opinion is, either darkcoin manages to really evolve into a true ecash, and all the attributes you mentioned will simply follow because the tool (that can be used for all that) will now actually EXIST and will be used. Or we can just try to build an overblown image now that our software tries forever to chase after. Especially strong words like "Certainty" and "Efficiency" can't just be claimed... you have to earn them. Darkcoin isn't even 1 year old!  EDIT: I am not saying that such an official serious video shouldn't be done now. But I don't look at it as more relevant than anything a fan could make. Because we are far from entering the real promotional era of darkcoin. |
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We need mass appeal, not cheap jokes.
You will never manage to create a video that everybody likes. (ofcourse I am glad that you try nonetheless to achieve it) Therefor we need many different iterations of many different ways if we really want to "mass appeal". I still think that stuff like this is hilarious, and extremely important:  Can you imagine what a real artist could do with such a meme? |
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I think the biggest problem wankcoin specification faces (rather than not being PoS, etc) is that it wrongfully describes itself as "anonymous" coin.
But wankcoin is as much anonymous as bitcoin: not at all.
So maybe wankcoin should try and implement some real anonymity features into its code. I don't know, darkcoin is open source.
Why not try to create a sha-256 version of darkcoin?
And then hardfork.
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a) yes and no at the same time... DRK has many core features that will cater 99% of general use. Much like, for example, multisig explanation is not on the official BTC video.
b) We're absolutely selling a "product". Anonymous money. Even just an idea can be a "product". Actually, you sell the "idea", you sell the "product". And read me back, I also mention for the good and the bad. Not my place to judge what is what.
I dont want paypal's nothing at all. Just definitely not humor. Money is no joke. A simple light-hearted swing across DRK's key features and ideals and morals.
I love Dark... but lets face it, depending on media exposure it can be very easily associated with the negatives it can imply. So not suggesting being a corporate, dull, static, robotic thing. Like I said, the official BTC video masters its with very serious talk with a "cartoonish" feel to it, without being silly at all.
Darkcoin should try and build an image around neutrality and secrecy, much like switzerland has built an image around neutrality and secrecy over the past 100 years. (although it starts to crumble because of US influence) That would make sense. Neutrality means: we don't care what you use ecash for. It's our philosophy that we don't care!Secrecy means: anonymity. Even if we wanted to care, we can't, because your money can't be traced, by design. Now there are an infinite amount of ways how someone can promote "neutrality and secrecy"... both in a funny and serious way. So why limit yourself? |
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Dear me, I'd have to quote so many great opinions from these past few hours... so here goes my 0.2 duffs
I work professionally in a specific area of the entertainment field. Image is everything when it comes to promotion.
One thing is an official video, the other is fun-lovin´fan work.
I was thinking exactly what Kai posted. A simple and "stupid", extremely sober and professional animated short video, to serves as basis for the gist of Darkcoin in general. Then eventually sub-sequent videos for the finer details, tutorials, in-depth explanations, etc...
This is NOT Dogecoin. Humour is dangerous! Add that to "dark markets" and you'll get slammed with "junkie coin" by the media, just 'cos you know how they're like... Darkcoin can very well become one of the most interesting, important and influential financial tools of our times. Like all things powerful, for the good and the bad. It is crucial that the official video contains all the answers to core questioning upon it's viewing. Copywriting the script (pun not intended) for such a video far outweighs who the hell animates it. Having said that, image is everything, so a killer script + killer video = mass awareness.
It is imperative the Darkcoin's official core image directives represent its phisolophy and it's origins and objectives. A very serious protocol to empower the individual. The individuals of the world need a simple and cross-cultured presentation of what Darkcoin is and what is proposes.
That Bitcoin video, to whom I've shown to many dozen people so far, masters it.
a) shouldn't we wait for darkcoin to mature into the real ecash first? Or else we would need to update the official video all the time. b) we are not selling a product, we are creating a new form of money. Money doesn't stink, it shouldn't have an image. What does that even mean?  If darkcoin is one day succesful it will be used for all kinds of things, legal and illegal. If a money can't be used for illegal things then it is worth shit. If I understand you correctly you want darkcoin to build an image much like paypal has built an image. But paypal is a totally regulated, controlled and limited form of "money" (well, banking rather) that has absolutely nothing to do with what darkcoin wants to be. So, when darkcoin tries to go the way of the paypal, will we see news like that, but for darkcoin? http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/24gcka/paypal_blocking_transactions_of_porn_professionals/You know, you can't have your image be associated with the porn industry, we wouldn't want that.  right? (of course I am joking) But listen to yourself, already you try to distance yourself from dogecoin etc... what? why? What's wrong with funny memes again? Humour is dangerous? Why can't darkcoin have that too???What's with all the limitations and cleanliness? Money should be a faceless tool everybody can use. That's what CASH stands for, and that's the philosophy of ecash.I don't care if you are a sexworker, drugdealer or ceo of a bank. Ecash will (by definition) have to appeal to everybody, totally non-judgmental. |
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I realize some people have that attitude and can be marketed to in that way. Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think the 18-24 year old college kid is our target demographic. If someone is a true fan and wants to contribute, awesome..... but please label it "fan made". Ofcourse. But remember, we are not a bank. We don't want to have a campaign like JP Morgan does. (or do we?) Just look how bitcoin has emerged as its own economy thru hundreds of individual podcasts, news sites, etc... all basically started as "fan made"... None of them ever needed to mark itself as "fan made"... because nobody ever thinks of bitcoin as this "corporate identity" we have to delimit ourselves from, so as not to get sued or something. Yes, there is a darkcoin foundation (is it official yet?), and yes there are fans, but in the end there is just darkcoin.EDIT: or let me phrase this differently... I think for bitcoin, the madbitcoins guy is much much more important than the official video at bitcoin.org or the work that the bitcoin foundation has done. IMHO, what darkcoin needs is more fancy hats and less suits. |
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Just to add my 2 duffs....... We are all in Crypto to make money. Say whatever you want, but that is a core fact. Peoples' first impressions are important. Personally, I would hit the back button FAST if I saw a video about a coin I was researching that looked like a feeble attempt at being funny produced by a bunch of fanboys. I have thousands of dollars invested in this project, I would like to see something serious and professional. I repeat: THIS IS NOT THE OFFICIAL VIDEO!!!
Do you guys understand? I can't put it any simpler... I hope you realize that nobody outside of this circle will know that. I understand the desire to just make it light and funny, but that shouldn't be how people first see DRK. I feel the same about the twitter account spam. It should be serious, should not sound like a car salesman, and it should be infrequent. Seeing 30 silly tweets a day makes me unsubscribe from anyone. Not trying to ruffle anyone's feathers but this seemed like a good time to share my long standing opinions. This isn't Dogecoin ffs. I kindly disagree. Something tells me that darkcoin price will explode once we see lots and lots of fans producing their own versions of promo videos, funny videos, tutorials, reviews, etc... More decentralization is necessary. More independent agents acting on their own, kinda like masternodes in a way. If we wait for "darkcoin officials" to approve every video then we will go nowhere. Ofcourse darkcoin has to have an official face, and this will be represented over at darkcoin.io and the respective social channels attached to it. If I stumble on a fan video of a new coin , first thing I do is go to the official site and ann thread to check the coin, I don't let the fan video influence me any further. Why should I? It's an appetizer, nothing more. First the fun meme, but then the cold facts! So dont discard the work coming from fans. They invest their own time and money, and this is more valuable than anything. |
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or ... pre-mine for free ... and drop anytime you want ... (make profit)... Ofcourse, but that could be said about any coin. |
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it shows that they are flexible with the price, and that one day, they might lower the amount of WKC too... one day they will ask for 1 WKC. Ofcourse, if they were clever, they would do that now already and create a nice buying pressure. But I don't run their business, don't know what they are thinking. yes very flexible... what will be next ... 1000 wkc for a membership... Maybe...  This isn't a problem, this is price discovery. First investment rule: buy something when it is low, sell it when it is high. |
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Do you remember the times when 1 month of membership on porn.com cost something like 59.8 WKC? That was worth like 1-2 $. Well, now it costs 518.2474 WKC for 1 month, which is much closer to the actual fee of 14.95 $ Well... great logic ... coins went down ... badly it was 59wkc (BTC was ~600$) now BTC is ~350$ ... and you need 500 wkc... this is not good! I think it shows that porn.com starts to play around with the amount of WKC needed for membership. And this is a good thing, it shows that they are flexible with the price, and that one day, they might lower the amount of WKC too... one day they will ask for 1 WKC. Ofcourse, if they were clever, they would do that now already and create a nice buying pressure. But I don't run their business, don't know what they are thinking. |
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I have a buy order open at bittrex for 5153.03334543 WKC at a BTC price of 0.00006400. It would be aweseome if someone could sell me those WKC. I am looking to become a longtime investor of WKC and will create a lot of gifs and pics in the future. So look at this as an investment into WKC if you sell me those WKC. Anyone? you did more for marketing than the "marketing team".. and you are buying coins...? ok... Yeah, I always like to push forward what I myself own. Feels stupid to create gifs without owning a certain amount of coins. Now I am atleast visible on the rich list. So... I fixed that, and it cost me basically nothing! |
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