Yeah, I knew even as I was typing that it seems "nice" on paper, harder to simplify for implementation. I'm 100% on board with simplicity, that's the strength of BSFL I feel, but even following some of the rounds (which I do even when am not playing for points, it's that interesting haha), I feel like there really should be a small but clear advantage to people who pick outside of the box.

Tennis does seem to be the most, but also from memory (maybe I'm wrong), lineup picks and NBA points. Of course, as there is no reward for outlier picks, most of us go with stats and pick the top scorers, right? Some really good mid-scorers looked attractive as an outsider pick, but when playing for the same points, then you don't think too hard and go for the ones with best averages, who are often way above the middle-scorers.

IIRC in IO, Trofo and maybe a couple of others were the only ones who went for Rune in one of the tennis as finalists, I thought that was inspired and deserved some kind of half point haha.

And in a previous ATP, someone else also was the only one to pick one right non-favourite finalist -- yet they ended up drawing (I think because the other finalist was wrong). Such a big risk to take, and it didn't pay off. Maybe a further tiebreaker section for tennis, I agree it's way too important to skip: add something like: Number of games?

@casperBGD indeed, there was a round where everything was settled on the first 14 hours or so, as Igehh and I picked same answers everything else, but that was probably more luck than us choosing the favs. I can't remember, honestly.

@mv1986 the draws we were thinking of were on particular questions, rather than on round outcomes If you go back, tennis questions are the worst culprit, with only a handful of greens on some, and at least one question where it was a yellow (draw) for everyone, again if my memory serves me. This is the issue I believe, where the question feels redundant, if everyone's going to answer the same (and those who answer different anyway don't win).

Definitely lots to chew on with 1miau's strategy, always easier thought of than replicated, obviously, haha. I'm going back to performance and form once more, and after Tsunoda tricked me into flirting with him again, I'm dropping him. I really hate how he keeps doing 10/11, which is actually overperformance from pre-race odds...


I MIGHT be tempted to change picks depending on qualifying. With less football going on, maybe I start paying attention to F1. So yeah, if Mercedes actually do well, maybe I switch around. ATM Hammie's not quite yet on my podium.

^ Nope, no luck for anyone this season, meanwhile FJ's new Sportsbook is out, any early thoughts, anyone? FJ: did you change providers? Sort of noticed that odds aren't as cool any more for boxing. That was one of the book's key advantages over rivals before

Also, I know I've mentioned this before but as I'm a big fan, don't mind repeating: bring back 4+1! Football season's over, but you can always bring it back for all major leagues next year (and hey, why not include internationals too right?).

I think there is scientific basis for cycles, even in sporting clubs. And unfortunately, Liverpool seem to be in 7th season funk, which especially appears to be true for Klopp -- I can only hope that we buck the trend. Am most nervous about how on earth we're replacing the midfield, something long overdue and now even more urgent that we've lost 3 key players in the position, should retire another, and will lose even the backup loan option.

Saint-Loup, conqueror of all pools...

Nicely done once more Cro2 team; really good to hear that Sportsbet is happy with the results and want to do this for many seasons to come. I personally think it's a great addition to the forum, still a breath of fresh air, and where the most engaged discussions on sports and sportsbetting take place -- that's evidence I'm able to back up too from a personal viewpoint. On occasion, I post on threads I don't really visit. Pose questions, and no one responds, while the thread continues to fill up with meaningless posts that don't carry on in discussions.

That's not the case here, and to see new blood from SB chat (ClubTalk), even better.

Don't really have new feedback, happy with formats and rules. I suppose I still think that to prevent majority draws on some questions, need to introduce an element of risk-reward. When making picks, the risk of choosing an underdog is too high, so you end up going for the favourite (knowing your opponent is likely to do the same).

To explain: why pick the guy with 5/1 odds instead of the guy with 2/1 odds, when you both are fighting for effectively the same point, right? Makes sense in betting because the win is 4x more than the favourite of 2/1, but not in this system where winner just gets the 1 point. That said, perhaps a bit too complex to implement (though I wonder if an Excel wizard could work out the "mean" answer, and highlight those who picked correctly outside of the mean/majority, and reward those with a "tiebreaker card", that maybe could be used for tiebreaker on a H2H draw.

e.g. Say Player A and B end the round tied. But Player B won 1 point by choosing an answer that was outside of a majority answer (maybe 70%+ people choose Verstappen to win a race, but Player B chose Alonso, who wins). Then he gets a tiebreaker card that gives him the tiebreaker win for a question where he draws.

Excel formula might calculate answers to each question. If the question gets a 70% or more of Answer X, that's a potential wild card awarding question. All players who didn't give Answer X, and gets it right, +1 tiebreaker card.

Maybe too complicated, but just something to think about

I'm definitely going to follow them more next season. I probably dropped out a little once Leeds promoted, but now there's plenty to watch when possible with them back, and of course Southampton and Leicester -- in a way some of my favourite teams no matter what. At the same time, wish Swansea and Watford stayed in.

I don't expect all the stars to still be around, but yeah, see you all next season!

I thought I'd go this one week without betting but I'm afraid I can't stay away from specials, and there's one at Sportsbet on BTTS and over 7.5 corners, at just under 3/10, I thought it was worth a not-so-pretty penny.

For the rest of the specials on the Europa League final: https://sportsbet.io/sports/sportsbet-specials/matches/today?ref=BulkNotifications+EPLReturn+SBSpecials

Probably also going to put a live bet on the first to concede... odds should be really cool, depending on when first goal happens.

@Harko: Brighton probably wasn't that great odds to finish top 6, but Newcastle top 4, yeah I suspect that would have snagged at least 20/1. Didn't see Tuchel also but didn't drop my jaw either. With or without, Abramovich, you can win everything and still lose your job there. Ruthless.

@casperBGD: Wasn't too long ago when I remember some amazing vibes that even I felt good about, DCL frontlining Ancelotti's triumphant emergence, best start ever to the league, etc, and getting a tough point from us while sitting pretty. Rewind back even to Koeman and Lukaku (personally the best Everton I remember of post Moyes era) and you wonder why they do this see-saw so much.

@CLS63: Thanks for the reminder, and I'll always make good on my bets. I'll pay for your entry next season

@mv1986 AI's not proven to be very good at all, ChatGPT and other models anyway still need data fed to them (and the latest is only updated as of 2021/22, they don't even know the right rosters for teams The books actually already use their own proprietary software, though it's less AI and more number crunching, that still needs a human to decipher and determine.

@slaman29 Definitely don't do it only in football, but it's the sport I follow the most, and with the most unbalanced odds (20/1 is quite regular, but not so for tennis).

On tennis, though, I tend to take correct scores or handicaps or live, like what Trofo did (take the favourite when they're already down 1 or 2 sets). Djokovic is my intense preference for this kind of live betting.

Been working in fintech (and then later crypto with a big question mark) and it does seem that this lack of social skills is not uncommon with developers, or the C-level suits heading these companies/projects... sometimes I wonder even if deliberately so.

Used to wonder why these Bitcoin sides seemed to take forever to take hold, even looking back at RSK days (and when picked up again result in Ordinals heh). Today I "understand" it's really because "core" simply doesn't see it as critical, and I'm inclined to agree.

Most recently am curious about Drivechains but also the private key-based products developed by Synonym (though I suspect it has Bitfinex links)

1)  Man U
2)  Under
3)  Over
4)  Over
5)  No
6)  2nd
7)  No
8 )  No
9)  No
10)  No
11)  No
12)  No
13)  No
14)  No
15)  51'

1. Verstapen
2. Verstappen
3. Sainz
4. 6 seconds

Right off the bat, apologies for being a total n00b. Just curious about this bet I made on the CSK game:

I know it'll have been voided for good reason (and I'm not at all complaining as I think I actually lost the bet) but can anyone help me understand why?


CSK won, so that should have been fine. From the scorecard, I see CSK had 10 6s, vs 9. But GTs seemed to have scores way more 4s, so I should have lost that leg.

Harris did himself proud, pushed all the way but ran out of steam I guess in 3rd set, never saw him climbing out of that hole once Zverev broke him for 3-1. Then we have Medvedev conspiring to make life hard for himself, huh, already 2 tiebreaks and even. Never heard of this Seyboth Wild guy until today, nice to see a couple of big boys already huff and puff.

But my main ask is for big player Ons, surprised she's not a bigger outright horse (as high as 30/1 but generally around 22/1 now) -- I know, big injury return, but also big freshness factor, no? Or is this a trap for me.

4 points short of our mammoth effort a couple of seasons ago -- as it turns out, those 4 points might not even have been enough, since Newcastle had the better goal difference (despite losing to use both attempts). That would probably have been more awful, though, so I'm happy or at least, hoping, that we purged all the bad juju this season.

Says a lot that we took 6 points off 3rd and 4th placed teams and still fell short. We just gave away too much to the bottom half.

Klopp is emotional, but he keeps his footballing head on for transfers and team management. That's for certain. We didn't fire anyone either, we just let them move on, but yes, doesn't make it any less sad. Once you see the way we say farewell to our players, you realise what it is that makes people desire to play for the Kop.

People can talk all day but I think the majority of posters in this sub-section unfortunately are just spam posting without any real knowledge or experience. You want to see an actual case study, ongoing and with data stretching back to 5 seasons ago, focusing almost only on longshot betting?

Than I introduce my own thread (sorry for the self promo). In all honesty, this season is probably not the best to look at, barely 70 games. I don't expect future seasons to be much more as priorities in my life have shifted drastically, but in past seasons when I had more time, you will see several hundred bets, almost daily at some point.

They're generally all longshot bets, and not only am I keeping track of prediction, I'm also showing evidence of actual bets. Plus, calculating profit and loss as units. So you see an actual profit loss tally, and not based on percentage (which hides a lot of bad-performances from tipsters), but on actual units profit/loss.

Longshot betting, aided by some value estimation (given odds versus actual performance), and value maximisation (using price boosts, promos) can get you pretty far, without betting too heavily.

Prize also received, thank you everyone! I see quite a lot of excitement already from new players (and we only lost 1, so far that's a nett gain), especially looking forward to see new bodies for the meat grinder (though if they're anything like Slissy, then I'm the meat!).

Will hope to see some Asian and South American football in the Europe off-season, but there's plenty of sports elsewhere anyway so we won't lack entertainment. Though I suppose if you guys put in things like snooker, rugby, or even darts, I'm finished...

Holy wow, not bad 1miau, was that a random shot out of the blue or did you actually know what you were doing? Anyway, I've now slipped down several spots -- serves me right for believing in the hype of Monaco's son, and as pointed out by swogerino, this was probably the best time to wait and see, losing the precious 2 EBP for a great jump in points.

16 points is magnificent -- but I'm not sure I'm good enough to even understand the clues from qualification to really afford losing EBPs.

Thanks tokes for formuladank. Gave me one smile today.

Pretty much a season to forget for me, but thank you Harkorede for remembering and paying out our side bet (have to admit, I didn't remember it, so anyone who knows I took sidebets and lost, please remind me heh).

Hard to imagine that at that stage of the season, we were both expecting great things from Spurs and Chelsea, only for them to both implode with some stretch of imagination. Spurs finishing above Chelsea, yet in ways we did not foresee.

@casperBGD Not bad for Everton, in the past 30 years, 3 great escapes on final day, and 2 on second-last day, at least. The team with the most battle-scarred history, and second-most consecutive stays at the top. Have to give credit where it's due.

Ready to do battle with you bastards once more next season. Luton Town for Conference spot, anyone?

OP, I never had an idea who you were until you shared these links.

I might have an idea, will PM you about it, nothing solid at the moment, but I've been looking for Bitcoin educators from a diverse range of demographics. Generally, I think there is already a lot of learning content out there, but the gap I feel is in the practical side, showing just how easy it can be for regular people.

Obviously your age appeals to me for that, though even if it weren't true, it doesn't make it less interesting, because your situation and maximalism already do.