Hey all, prizes were disbursed to the winners last night, when I received Saint-loup's message with his address. Had already edited the post on prizes, as well as OP to leave historical results, but of course, forgot to make a post here to inform. With that, the Betnomi Champions League Pool (2022/23) is concluded. Thank you to everyone for your support, I hope Betnomi enjoyed sponsoring as much as we enjoyed playing. Don't spend your winnings all in one place! |
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Doubt we really have more than a handful of big whale wallets who no longer are alive.
again this topic is about a MTGOX stash. a stash thats suppose to be of ~200kbtc. all split up into smaller amounts of a few thousands btc each.. so expect lot of movements of a few thousand btc to move from 2013 in the next couple years also people put funds into retirement plans when they are 20 they they cant touch until they are 60. so dormancy should be thought of as 40+ years. not 2,5,10 heck i have a stash thats 11 years. i have no plans on moving it anytime soon Precisely! I think there's too much attention given to wallets that wake up, and I really doubt there are more than a known handful of wallets that would surprise people if they "woke up". I've got a pension balance (hardly worth a few months' min wage) that's been sitting dormant for over 20 years, I couldn't even touch it until I'm 55 anyway, so it's forced dormancy ha. Btw ,with all these whale alert platforms have seen all around Twitter and other social media platforms...what's the motive of these, do they get paid to know when such transactions happen?? And without a face or name to the transaction, what good does it serve?
Don't think they get paid, they're just bots and scripts. Probably want an audience to shill too later or show ads to (if not already done). What good does it serve? I put that very question often to any number of crypto channels/sources I unfortunately have to monitor for work. Whale alerts? Price drop/surge alert? Exchange inflow/outflow alert? I think speculators do act on them, but probably not to the effect desired. |
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14. Jared Cannonier
13. Arman Tsarukyan
12. Armen Petrosyan
11. Pat Sabatini
10. Manuel Torres
9. Muslim Salikhov
8. Raoni Barcelos
7. Alessandro Costa
6. Kyung Ho Kang
5. Denys Bondar
4. Zhalgas Zhumagulov
3. Tereza Bleda
2. Ronnie Lawrence
1. Modestas Bukauskas
NOT go the Full Distance 5
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1. Verstappen
2. Verstappen
3. Sainz
4. 9 seconds
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Just sent mine and felt like questions were actually tricky for me when it comes to say, handball. I don't know anything about it, so I have to rely on bookie odds to understand who's the favourite. Then, the other problem is I find it very difficult to not answer the way I bet, and not to overthink things -- F1 I believe will be the question with the most surprises, as it often is even on a "predictable" track. For the driver match-up, for example, without mentioning the names, there's one pair where the favourite odds-wise is huge, but performance wise, he's only beaten the guy once (when they both finished). For me it makes much more sense to bet on the underdog here given H2H this season he has an equal performance. But I must learn not to pick that underdog for this BSFL format, I believe that was my mistake last season, giving away points on big underdog. Slissy is up next, yikes *cracks fingers*
Ha, I have seen that match and gave it a derby title in my weekly article on Sportsbet. Go give it a read, especially if you like seeing your name online  https://sportsbet.io/sports/soccer/news/bitcoin-talk-sports-fanatics-league-1And yes this means we have coverage on Sportsbet site as well as dedicated chat group there. Drop by and say hello to a couple of people that are playing with us but can't have bitcointalk account. This is of course invitation for everyone, not just buwaytress. That's a nice homage to Slissy, and I will be hoping his form from round 1 continues because I'm really not sure how to pick some of these answers. Research isn't helpful at all in some cases haha. Definitely should make more effort to say hello on Clubtalk, I did show up for UCL final but it's getting harder and harder to get time to relax and chat these evenings. Summer holiday in July/Aug when kids are all out of school should be better in terms of having more free time, but I'll then be 7 hours ahead... not sure wife would be happy if I say I have to go online at 2 am to catch Trofo, Slissy, LFC_Bitcoin etc. (even if she knows how cool you guys are hahaha) |
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segwit has not caused leaner transactions of actual byte counting.. they miscount the bytes and allowed longer scripts and even opcodes for scripts that are unrelated to signature proving a utxo spend
infact compared to pre 2017 the average byte length of a transaction has gone up MASSIVELY
But isn't that how all "compression" happens anyway with data? Even considering pruning, to the way I understand it, it's just discounting data, and thank you for the further explanations -- I doubt I can truly understand how it works, all I know is my txs are smaller in size from the way the wallet sees it. And that's how I see the theory of "leaner or more efficient" progress rather than bandwidth progress. It might require better cleaning up of clutter as you say, but I don't know enough to know why it wasn't done. I might need to see a visual example (but the way I understand is that the longer scripts anyway count for tx size, otherwise why did all these ordinals brc20 nonsense cost a lot?). Pretty much out of my depth to be able to provide a meaningful response sadly... |
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Actually, I hardly view these dormancies to be "unexpected" anymore these days. I fully expect dormant addresses (how we view them as dormant is also curious, is it 2 years, 5 years, 10?) to be activated at some point. My own wallet from 2017 only "woke up" in 2020, and almost completed 4 years. I'm guessing anyone who holds also finds no need to move (mine was only to upgrade to segwit).
Doubt we really have more than a handful of big whale wallets who no longer are alive.
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^ 13000 tx every 10 minutes would be really cool, and Segwit making leaner txs still resulted in full blocks, I always expect to see this as the gradual way forward -- upgrades that result in leaner, more efficient txs, rather than just widening the bandwidth. Then again, when I was in the 1990s thinking everyone would focus development on making better compressions for leaner data formats... spent hours on websites making sure they were as small as possible (in bytes). It went the other way (in my view) -- bandwidth just exploded, and people didn't care about efficiency anymore. In order for Bitcoin to succeed, blocks must be full.
If blocks are never full, then there is never a reason for a transaction to pay more 1 satoshi in fees. As the subsidy is reduced, fees become more important. So at some point, full blocks will be necessary in order to ensure that the revenue is high enough to discourage a 51% attack.
Changes that attempt to prevent full blocks would directly impact the security of Bitcoin.
I may not see this is a hard rule, but I certainly can find some space to agree that the entire structure of returns for those securing the network (miners) was designed to ensure there was always incentive to mine. Coin generation at first (the subsidy as many say), then later the fees. People give a lot of credit to adoption, commercial interest, recognition, for price. And credit due, but I still feel that the actual financial cost of securing the network, and the necessity of profit for the miner, still play that hard economic backbone. By design, isn't it? |
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^ Just to drop a note that yeah, I'm waiting for Saint-loup -- sent 2 PMs but maybe PM notification doesn't work with his (though he was online Saturday and Sunday, so he should have seen them). Waiting on you to send out prizes, or are you donating the fund to next season's pool?  He's a fairly active user, so I don't think there's any rush, for now... Oh and as soon as Sevilla-City markets come up, I'm dumping money on the Spaniards. I'm already sick with the idea of City treble, just because... |
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Football season in Europe over, guess the new rules for Sportsbook will affect international qualifiers, though really, the new season comes in July anyway, for some reason feels like a shorter break than usual (or my imagination?).
Got a couple of questions on the new Sportsbook, anyone who knows feel free to answer.
1. Where on earth do we change odds format? I like decimals, or at least fractional... I get American now and can't find the setting to change.
2. Where can I find outright markets? E.g. in Soccer, I see the competitions, I see the markets per match, but where are the outrights or "specials"? e.g., "To win the tournament".
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GG jayce, just glad we both gave it a good go, different answers to every question except City and Stanley Cup. I'm more relieved than anything to get a win in BSFL, which sort of goes to show what quality we're up against every week.
Nations League will be tricky, I think, because it'll be a glorified friendly and you can't trust coaches and teams to play the same way as in other competitive matches, and lineups aren't at all clear yet.
Slissy is up next, yikes *cracks fingers*
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Looks like it's down to the wire for tonight's earlier U20 game (my opponent has the 3rd and 4th place answer different from me) to decide if I get nothing or everything. RG final is going as expected, one-sided... but not the side we expected (me at least, I thought it'd be a straight set win).
Trofo, pretty amazing performance from you, or is strongkored giving you too much respect? Haha. At this rate, it's going to be successive promotions.
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Get your point (I'm slightly inebriated so maybe that helps, but hey, Sunday afternoon) but if you're adjusting for inflation, at least show the basis for that. I don't really buy the inflation adjustment in my country, or maybe even the US (we're always talking the dollar) but at least there is a straightforward formula for that (CPI, as franky suggests). I personally like the big mac index even though it's no longer as good a ruler as before (for me).
And even the way you chose to set your price for 2011 is poor, you don't pick arbitrary dates (franky points out too), you get at least the average price (again, how you do this matters).
Either way you choose, you won't prove your statement... so please, prove yourself right properly? Eager to see.
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Yeah, I think in most cases, casinos do have quite terrible ToS, particularly in crypto gambling. Unfortunately, letter of the law says if you sign up, and accept them, you must abide by them. I have issue with the "ironclad" clause where casino reserves the right to void winnings if suspicious activity is detected (paraphrasing) but is not required to provide evidence or clarity on what that is.
That part's clear: sign up, accept, and you abide by ToS.
But what OP points out is a change to ToS, and that I must agree is unlawful, if done without the customer being informed. Pretty sure that the legal consensus is that any change to contract must require agreement of all parties -- not sure if a ToS is a contract between player and casino but to me it means that users must explicitly agree to any ToS changes before they can be enforced. Disagree, and you withdraw your casino membership, simple as that.
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Well, that was that. City treble. We're never going to hear the end of it hahaha. Ederson man of the match for just being in the right spot? The total prize pool stood at 387.5 mBTC, 87.5 mBTC of which was fees. The results and corresponding prizes in mBTC, are as follows. I rounded down to 2 decimals for fees, I know you won't mind as I'll cover excess fees: ========================= 🥇 1st place: 90 mBTC (30% of sponsorship) + 30% fees (26.25) = 116.25 KTChampions 🥈 2rd place: 60 mBTC (20% of sponsorship) +20% fees (17.5) = 77.5 bullrunbro🥉 3rd place: 45 mBTC (15% of sponsorship) + 15% fees (13.125) = 58.12 Omifikuse *🏅 4th place: 30 mBTC (10% of sponsorship) + 10% fees (8.75) = 38.75 BitcoinGirl.Club🏅 5th place: 22.5 mBTC (7.5% of sponsorship) + 7.5% fees (6.5625) = 29.06 casperBGD🏅 6th-10th place: 10.5 mBTC (3.5% of sponsorship) + 3.5% fees (3.0625) = 13.56 each Saint-loup *
LTU_btc
Hhampuz
jayce
cryptofrka========================= Names marked with an asterisk have yet to provide an address, so please do so in this spreadsheet. Or reply with it to my PM. Don't delay, people. I want to pay this out by Monday. As it turned out, final did not affect prizes. BTC is also up ~30% from when we received payments, so it's a nice bonus too! Well done to everyone, see you next season, with a huge penalty for KTChampions? ============= Edit: Prizes disbursed on 13 June 2023. Tx ID ff6025d6b8eaefb77a8844405e586a2ac6c25a0795220cd4572c62a5b8a95c3b. |
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Not sure what to think, I know people say KdB out is a blow but come on, you get Foden instead? Impossible to reduce the quality of this City team with even max substitutions. That said, I feel like Inter will be happier with the halftime result. City quite sloppy, though I'll be concerned with the energy levels of Nerazzurri, so far so good, though. With the famLFC's pick of 2-1 and my pick of 2-0 for Manchester City my 3rd position is guaranteed regardless the result
Fill in the spreadsheet already! |
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Muchova leading 2-0 in the third set (yep, she forced it to go all the way) made me wonder why I didn't pick her as an early bet at 13/1 when I went against Swiatek earlier for a bit less (Haddad).
Then Swiatek reminded me why and rallied just now to 2-all. Wasn't expecting much entertainment but second set was all right (for a casual watcher like me).
Guess most of us anyway have Swiatek in the question -- just now a matter of how many sets (and if she does win at all).
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Mining is like a math class, it's boring and traditional, but the magic is all in it. If you can convince them to tell their stories and present them in an attractive way, it might be the first book specialized in that.
I see that most of the members are still active in the mining board, although many of them are from 2013 or even a little older.
Well, so is any business if you put it that way. Profit is a math class, and anyone who's done business knows it's a fine balance between costs, expenditure, and revenue. Mining gets a lot of attention because of the seemingly extreme end of calculating profit margins, but it's really no different in many other types of industry too... The human side, though, also considering the pioneers and hobbyists, in a niche industry -- and then those trying to operate under vague regulations. Most of the literature out there is from the speculation (investment) or engineering (development) side, even the social and utility side of things but not the infrastructure (mining) side I think. |
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Makes my heart all warm and fuzzy to see the faith in Inter from SB regulars. Dzeko, Mikhi, they are due good wins, I'd say Lukaky as well. They haven't convinced me much in league football, also weren't lighting up the footballing world in Champions League, but we all want a good football story, don't we?
@Cramshashi As cryptofrka said, Sportsbet has no power to delete posts in this thread -- if your posts are deleted, it's by the forum moderators. This means you violated forum rules or posted spam/off-topic. We're actually trying to help you: look up the history of this thread and note that there are plenty of requests for assistance that aren't deleted, responded to, and solved. Even I've posted complaints and requests for assistance, but remember you're also talking to people, not robots. Patience and respect get you a long way with people. That's a free tip from me, you're welcome.
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