Tennis, yeah. Halle would be a killer tournament for whomever bet on the underdog all the time, think it's already a steady 100/1 if you just laid out the same bet game after game. Don't know if that's it but plenty of hope for those guys who don't have a title under their belt yet.

Re DOTA question does seem clear enough for me that we need to pick the finalists, so everything is still possible now, upper bracket just means losing that game gives you another chance. Lose, but win the next series and you're in the final. Think Trofo or someone mentioned that upper bracket guys generally end up as finalists anyway.

What a great suggestion, but not really, I always thought lost coins was also already thought out in the scheme of supple design.

So instead of a figure that's estimated in lost coins, we'll just constantly revive dormant coins? Apart from the very poor distribution method of next block riches (what's wrong with a democratised resupply?)... Suppose I want to leave an inheritance for 3 or 4 generations after me (I won't have genetic descendants but that's okay, let's call them spiritual descendants), or deliberately want to burn coins, should all my effort be removed after an arbitrary century? Or a nation's 100-year development plan. Do they really have to move coins out just to avoid that?

A latecomer to this thread but other than being in agreement with ONasty on that not everything necessarily has to be decentralized -- I personally like gambling with a trusted entity, someone I trust can do the hard work required to create markets, to settle sports bets fairly (as opposed to objectively as a true smart contract might), even to enjoy some goodwill as I typically do at my favourite sportsbooks. Even to enjoy camaraderie between non-anon freaks.

That all said, a lot of people claim Web3 just the way people claimed decentralised a few years ago.

But they really only mean non-custodial, right OP? Wrapped BTC? Hosted (not distributed nodes) server. Single source developer? Non-diverse oracles for markets?

Aren't those all supposed to be the opposite of Web3 prerequisites? How many 'Web3' projects have all these?

Still find it hard to understand that ETFs still stir up quite a bit of corporate fomo. I won't claim to have the same opinions as the few back in 2017/18 -- but have always held that all the speculation about "institutional interest" being a major driving force behind a sustained bull for Bitcoin is already disproven.

Don't even remember the names anymore but each time something big has finally coughed up, the reaction has been a whimper. Big money, old money, these didn't wait around for ETFs.

And yes, the bigger picture? None of this affects Bitcoin beyond the (temporary) reflection on its (trading) market and derivatives of.

Ah right, yeah I see the tiebreaker scheduled later today now -- doesn't then it seem pointless to have a "goal difference" table there also?

Anyway, enjoy the break guys! I too really appreciate bitcointalk being extra lite and easy to use on phone (well okay, not easy in terms of actually navigating).

Anyway, looks good either way for me, but @arallmuus I have to say we actually are quite close (if we actually count all scores as equal)


Feels good =p

Just my luck. Finally got time to go watch some tennis, and now Sinner appears to have retired from injury. Hope that doesn't mean he'll miss Wimbledon next month...

Interesting picks, casperBGD, and that's been my style for tennis, picking outrights with good value. Haven't done it recently though. I'm really missing out on good bets by staying on the sidelines but I just don't really feel comfortable without watching much tennis recently.

So Zverev looks like he has a clear way now to the final, with Sinner out. More surprises to come?

Women's football is getting some love from Sportsbet, I noticed the usual $100,000 prize has been doubled for Women's World Cup. I put it some really crazy scores for this. https://sportsbet.io/sports/bet-free-6-6


The 4-3-free (https://sportsbet.io/sports/4-3-free) seems "easy" enough too -- England Haiti should be 4+ goals any day -- and picks are happening weeks away so there's plenty of time left, don't forget

PSG's just booked their spot in the top bracket, BetBoom was leading it for a long time until today, now it's just left for GG's game, but I'm not sure how the table works. According to Liquipedia, "GD" is on BetBoom's side even if GG gets a 2-0 and ties for the 5-2. Cro2, how would that work? Is there a game difference score or just H2H?


Hey, looks like you were one of the weirdos picking Belgium not to lose and under 2.5gs, and got today's U21 game right, so it's actually... 2-2 right now, throwing yourself a nice lifeline over there (thank Germany and England for so many wasted chances) I know, I know, huge disadvantage still to climb.

@Igebotz feeling the heat yet? =D

Seems like I need to back myself more often. Had a big bag of freebets from some crazy performances in predictions but only used 2 of them for upsets (Kazakhstan and Georgia). The rest were fanciful accas that had one or two poor legs, too embarrassed to share how idiotic they ended up being. Moldova was a bit too rich for me but man, I need to trust myself more!

@LFC_Bitcoin I should! My Liverpool love affair began with the World Youth Cup (before renamed to U20s WC) -- but I've never actually followed the youth version of Euros. Maybe it's time, after all. Wondering also who's stepping up to challenge Trent for midfield from academy.

Sinner scraped past but oo did Struff give himself a hard time in bowing out. Fritz also bombed at Queen's. Not sure why I'm still idling by and not pulling any underdog triggers heh. Alcaraz through easy.


Only if he's the underdog and odds are of value -- have learnt my lesson for sure about putting money on him but still hard to ignore his rating when considering how far he might go in a draw where he does seem far superior on paper.

@OP Right, I understand why blocktime's not used then. Still, say the blocktimes for Ethereum might be an improvement (12 seconds still too slow?) or as Loyce suggests, crash seed events -- probably not going to concern most people but it pays off to be provably fair from the start!

Don't really agree with guys like so98nn about needing more attractive designs. Belatedly, this reminds me of a dust lottery many years ago which won some guy a lot of money for mere sats. Simplicity is king when it comes to these kinds of satoshi games (but dark mode, I concur, is helpful).

@Strongkored: Struff seems the better value for me against countryman, watched Zverev at RG when he bowed out and wasn't impressed, he does seem to benefit from his lanky figure and maybe an advantage on grass?

Aaand, Tsitsi does it again (or doesn't do it again). cryptofrka mentioned elsewhere that he isn't to be trusted on grass, but it's a meek, meek outing from him anyway. Actually had the gall to pick him for a finalist elsewhere on BSFL (you guys who're active here but not there keen on that?) but fortunately for me, him losing didn't matter for me. So much for trying to be smart.

Beginning to think it might be wise to put a few quid here and there against Alcaraz and Djoko now...

We already use a form of AI in dice bots, and really, if you want to use AI against the house, the only way it'd presumably work, is against a bad dealer.

Funny meme I wanted to share but not a suitable format (and probably not true) but a guy supposedly creating a lazy bot to just all-in on every hand. Won it all apparently as all other bots on the table just kept folding (probably because they wouldn't all-in right from the start!

The days of simple, basic sites. I miss them!

Comment on how you get results: Probably "random" enough, and CMC (Binance owned) did get Coingecko mainly as an alternative for oracles to get price data from, and if it's good enough for the majority of AMMs out there, it's good enough for l0tt0, I suppose.

But why not an even better "random" alternative directly from the Bitcoin blockchain? Hash results, even total BTC block fee for even easier reading (which I last trialled for a giveaway).

14. Ilia Topuria
13. Amanda Ribas
12. Justin Tafa
11. Gabriel Santos
10. Brendan Allen
9. Philip Rowe
8. Randy Brown
7. Loik Radzhabov
6. Gillian Robertson
5. Zhalgas Zhumagulov
4. 
3. Jamall Emmers
2. Tatsuro Taira
1. Cody Brundage

NOT go the Full Distance 6

Damn, arallmuus... you really didn't have to give such a walkover, would have been 2-1 now and quite a number of different answers so I'm definitely "relieved" for the free pass as it looks at the moment. Still hoping I earn it on merit anyway, would make me feel a hell lot better.

Only 5 people including myself have 2/2 so far, Austria was a really tight game, even if they deserved it in the end, but "YES" to all favourites, as I suspected, not a great call to make twice in a row.

Notice many went for Tsitsi -- meself included -- but I see a handful of Sinners and even one Zverev. My kind of pick so in a round that it won't matter, I'm going to hope the pure underdogs score!

I agree with Trofo on legit tactics on tennis finalist/winner. IIRC I saw last round a few people put 2 guys in the finals from the same side of draw and initially I thought: huh, what a waste! But then again, what if it's a legit gamble to ensure at least 1 point when you're not sure which side's favs will go through. I believe it's legit and all answers should be accepted for the gamble.

e.g. anyone who thought it was Alcaraz last time out would have lost 1 point, and it wasn't for certain if it would be Rune/Ruud from the other side. Hence a "guaranteed point would be to put both Alcaraz and Djoko as finalists, even if they're on the same side of the draw.

Are we maybe getting combat next round? @notblox1 any big games coming up? I won a nice prize on the last UFC prediction, for no other reason than picking 50% favs and 50% underdogs haha

I'm actually wondering what the fuss is all about... because hasn't the SEC (or at least US watchdogs, I can't remember the threads from before) already made it clear they specifically look at how decentralised a project is to determine if it's a security? Bitcoin passed the test easily, Ethereum, I think has made strong cases over the years at improving that, but few other coins come close to Bitcoin's structure (or lack of). Hence why almost everything else is a shitcoin.

Nice article, Trofo, and if I can comment, I personally like seeing the banter spill over into forum, competitive and rough even if need be, but all good fun in the end. I'll try make it on chat, I know I missed last week...

On that note: suck it, arallmuus! JK but you know, I need to finish above you this season. Or should we just reserve energy to take down cls63 and darxiaomi? I need a bit of distance because vd309 is my opponent in the next round...

Seriously tricky questions, another YES to all favourites seemed a bit too rich for me to try again a second time. And then the draft question, it's a real coinflip for me so I truly went with instinct on at least 3/10 questions there. Really wanted to wait a bit more in case of some surprises but as usual, no impact whatsoever on my thoughts -- but man that Alcaraz, I keep trying to watch him to see his reportedly good tennis but seem unlucky to catch him at weird games. Or is grass just his nemesis?

@Igebotz sure! Sidebet of course, just what exactly are we playing for? Whoever wins the freebet?

Yup! That's precisely why I think I need to really improve my performance. 2 points off the top every race is not enough -- you do need 0.5 to 1 point off it, as you say, consistently, to ensure you make a great overall season. I chased too early last season actually, trying to catch a break but the key in F1 (actually, all pools) is just to stick to a strategy that brings as many points as possible. To be fair, I also think that works for football pool. In seasons I've won, I've tended to just stick to the conservative picks after getting a good position.

Harkorede and Slissy, what a combo of wins! Luckily for me, I've also got something to brag about from last night. People might remember I've got a raging soft spot (heh heh) for some of the newer faces in EURO, I actually missed out on an Armenia pick, but I managed to book this ticket live, ensuring I got a sweet hit to kick off some freebet spending galore (from EURO goal prediction and UFC!). Georgia rounds out my underdog pick so far, but I'll be on the lookout for more bargains


Have another multibet, and a weird cricket presence, be sure to share if/when they hit!