Are you sure? And than what? Add Ukrainian territory to Russian Federation? I thought the goal of this "military operation" was to protect people of LNR and DNR, and to make Ukraine to accept them as an independent republics.
If their goal is to protect these self proclaimed states and not occupy territory of Ukraine, why did occupied Kherson, part of Zaporishia oblast, why they bombing Odessa or why they tried to took Kiev? I have already said before that Putin's first offer is usually the most beneficial for partners. If they do not agree to it, then a worse offer follows ... He makes an offer that "cannot be rejected" is what you mean? This has not ended be.open. You can wall the thread with Russian supremacy propaganda, and even being blinded by the narcotic effects of the "toys of war", but the Russian Federation and particularly Adolf Putin are not the winners of this war. Sanctions, diplomatic relations broken, NATO expansion, conscription of soldiers even above 40 years of age, thousands of death, months to take a small city... if that is a "victory" to you is because you must have had little contact with success. You are looking for an answer in the use of brute force an coercion, when you should be looking into how the future is going to look like for the unfortunate people living the RF.  |
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Again, you are mixing concepts. The volatility of the rouble is based on the competitiveness of the currency in the global market, not on the GDP. On top of that and if you are speaking of debt in particular, you should look at the interest rates. You cannot keep the rate that the RF central bank has set without damaging growth.  I am afraid that I am going to explain some very basic economic concepts here: Just so that even those with little understanding of what this means: US finances it's debt at 0.75% interest. Russia has to pay 17% (as of today) for people to hold roubles - along with breaching contracts and demanding payment in roubles. Now you got the full picture and why debt at .75% is not really an issue. What happens when people can get a 17% just by lending the money? Very simple: they do not invest and they may choose not to buy beyond the strictly necessary. This situation cannot hold - it is temporary and the valuation of the rouble, in my view, will be permanently damaged with the new diplomatic stance of the RF. Lack of investment has a side consequence on countries that are heavy exporters of commodities - production requires CAPEX. High interest rates make CAPEX projects and productive investment less attractive as just by holding you get 17%. Just to put an example: If you have 1000 USD and you leave them during 5 years at 17% you would get 1873 USD ("risk free"). That is a "trash bond" and the RF has become exactly that: a trash debtor. At this point on the discussion and to make it fair, I would ask you on what do you base your claim that a country with 1/15th of the GDP of the US and subject to sanctions is going to be the "next superpower". OCDE data to 2060 paints a very different picture (unfortunately I cannot link a picture, so just select Russia, US, OCDE and China). The next superpower will not write Latin or Cyrillic characters. https://data.oecd.org/gdp/real-gdp-long-term-forecast.htm |
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China's debt is no different from other countries. Japan is above 200% GPD for example, Italy, Spain, Greece, France... all have debt for decades.
Japan, italy, spain, greece and france. Are all too far into debt to donate funds to ukraine. Eventually the united states will be as well. What happens then? When russia still has low debt and can afford to mobilize. The united states spent more than $12 trillion dollars on military operations in the middle east. Eventually that money runs out and nations cannot defend themselves (or ukraine) without bankrupting their budget. Actually all those countries have already donated military material to Ukraine and all agree on an oil embargo. Debt becomes secondary when survival is a problem. The US has implemented a 40 Billion plan. The help line, huge for Ukraine and Russia means just an minimal part of the US budget. Again, it is a question of sizes: While the U.S. ranks as the world's largest economy with a GDP of $21 trillion,2 Russia's nominal GDP comes in at $1.48 trillion. 1 In terms of GDP, Russia trails much smaller countries, such as the United Kingdom, Italy, and France. And this year, US GDP will be largely untouched and growing. Russia's will not. |
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It seems Russia doesn't care about Facebook videos at all and continues to advance, despite all been dead from hunger, deserting, suiciding, not having gas, losing 200 tanks per day, not to forget deadly ill Putin, who will be overthrown any moment, by angry russians because their ruble is worth only $0.00000000000001 and falling Kyiv attack was an intent to take the city, probably counting on treason and quick surrender. The casualties, which are quite confirmed and have nothing to do with the facebook videos show that there was a real attempt to take it. Had it been a strategy, they would have not sent so many troops to their deaths. The strategy did work in Kherson - the cities authorities did little to stop the Russian advance. Russian soldiers are not suiciding, they are sent to their deaths for a minimal advance, even for territorial losses like the ones near Kherson (that is what happens when you send all your troops somewhere else). Adolf Putin and his Reichstag Duma have approved a law allowing to call reservists above 40 years of age. Why do you think that happened Branko? Is it because he has so many young soldiers willing to join the army? There are also images and video of T-62s sent to the front. This is a tank from the 70's. Do you think that is because all is going great? People tend to identify Russia with the old USSR, but it is not, is just a nation that has inherited nuclear weapons and spends 11% of their GDP in the army and from now own will be treated as an enemy by many. My guess is that right now the US does want Adolf Putin to take a couple of statelets because, honestly, NATO is not that keen in sharing a large border with him in such a conflictive area. But make no mistake, this war ends the moment the US decides it ends - exactly like the one you fought. The means they can send to Ukraine are way above anything that Russia can afford to field. |
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The problem with democracy is that it quickly degenerates into idiocracy. Look at the USA and Western Europe - this is some kind of den of homosexuals and drug addicts. Okay, Biden is an idiot senile, but his advisers and assistants are not much better. Western politicians have been shredded and turned into clowns and political prostitutes who engage in populism and lobbying for the interests of large corporations (which is veiled corruption). Don't tell me this is a good role model because it isn't.
Yeah who needs freedom, it's overrated. Give peasants a five year plan and they'll steal everything that's not bolted down, drink it all away, and the TV will tell them that they live better than the rotten West. In the homeland of democracy in ancient Greece, each democrat had several slaves. Modern Western democracy is not far from its progenitor. Winston Churchill once said that: “democracy is the worst form of government – except for all the others that have been tried”. I do not idealize Putin, but you do not idealize Western democracy either, whose welfare is based on the robbery of former colonies. ... Well, then Russia will have to liberate, in addition to Donbass, Germany or Japan.  Curious that you mention about slavery and domination Russia did not abolish serfdom until 1906 (Yep, that is the XXth century). A long tradition of telling people where and how can they live seems to be part of the idiosyncrasy. Only Austria-Hungary keep it longer I see to recall. Idiocracy is created when people forget that you do need to educate everyone to keep a healthy democracy and that it is not something you can take for granted. Despots occur naturally and have to be controlled by having healthy and powerful checks and balances to avoid things like eliminating free press or, for example, getting people to storm on the buildings when the outcome is not to your liking. Nothing new really... https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/11/03/donald-trump-julius-caesar-433956Two thousand years ago, the famous Republic had a chance to reject a dangerous populist. It failed, and the rest is history |
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Severodonetsk taken. After the surrender of Azov in Marupol, the resistance of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Donbass was actually broken, it became easier to take cities. Moжeм пoвтopить..
"Don't threaten if you can't deliver - that's a sign of weakness." Funny that you mention this... ... we will seek to demilitarize and denazify Ukraine and put to justice ... - Adolf Putin. |
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Quite a few of the facts are wrong and quite a few of the conclusions:
- UK was not bombed to the stone age in any manner.
Here is a map illustrating 32,000 air raids the UK sustained during World War II.  ... That map proves very little. Yes, the UK sustained air raids, but not, its industrial production and infrastructure largely survived intact. This is what you should be looking at:  As you can see, there is nothing in there like "bombed into stone age" in the UK graph - it is much more clear when you look at how Germany WAS actually bombed into stone-age. China's debt is no different from other countries. Japan is above 200% GPD for example, Italy, Spain, Greece, France... all have debt for decades. |
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@icopress, seems that you made mistake by not making this topic self moderated... Now it's turning into another conspiracy theories and fakes news thread of stupid trolls like BADecker, Tash and others.
+1. As advised, do not pay excessive attention to this individual. It is not just about his views, but rather about his inability to enter into a discussion or conversation with arguments, challenges or sense. I apologise for my part in getting off-topic - this is a very valuable thread and even has historical value. |
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The average Russian may have started to notice some effects from sanctions - "the latest iPhone in Russia is... the one you have in your hand". But they are just not realising how bad this can get when extended for years.
Today, I spoke with an Iranian about the effect of the sanctions due to the failure to implement a nuclear deal with US - curiously linked to some of the requirement on regards to collaboration with Russia. The country has gone down economically like never before, people are really frustrated, afraid and struggling everyday.
All those "Z" supremacists that are supporting Adolf Putin's war of aggression have been so brainwashed into believing that nothing can touch them that reality is going to hit them like a precision GU bomb laser-guided into their anal orifices.
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There is no winning strategy for Putin. And time works against him - he doesn't have the manufacturing capacity to make new tanks, missiles etc at the rate he's expending them.
Russia has this shoe polish for ten Ukraine in store. ... I hope you can put a coat of paint on the dead. Dam... only if those T-62 had the Tesla self-driving. Adolf Putin is doing so great that all young Russians are flocking to join the army to gloriously die for his delirium. In his mighty wisdom he has decided that is unfair that people that have already served and are well-past their young days stay at home and now is going to force them given them the chance to die for him too. You can also read this on TASS https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russian-lawmakers-vote-scrap-upper-age-limit-military-2022-05-25/May 25 (Reuters) - Russia's parliament approved a law on Wednesday in double-quick time removing the upper age limit for contractual service in the military, amid heavy casualties in Ukraine. he bill now needs only the signature of President Vladimir Putin to become law. Currently, only Russians aged 18-40 and foreigners aged 18-30 can enlist as professional soldiers in the Russian military. And, at the same time, the Ministry of Dark Humour and Fantasyland Tales dare to say publicly that the losses have been: The defence ministry said on March 25 that 1,351 Russian service personnel had been killed and 3,825 wounded since Moscow sent its armed forces into Ukraine on Feb. 24. It has not updated its casualty figures since. It takes a really strong stomach to be able to digest so much shit. Do not die for Putin, even if you are above 40 you have better things to do in life. |
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The US and UK are being reluctant to send MLRS with a range of 60 to 70 km to Ukraine, because they are afraid those could actually reach deep in Russian territory. But that can change from one day to another. ...
That would just induce Russia to take an extra '60 to 70 km' out of Ukraine which, by all indications, was never really in their plans. They said they were going to solve the issue of the Eastern civilians getting shelled, and they pretty much say what the mean and mean what they say so it seems. As of now, they seem pretty much unable to take 20. Russia is not a winner of this war, no matter the military outcome.
I don't understand, can you explain what you mean? That Aldolf Putin's Russia is going to become a very difficult place to live in in the next few years irrespective of the outcome of the war. Diplomacy, commerce, borders and perception have been damaged for decades. Russia is being exposed as weak militarily. It still has a stockpile of nukes, but is vulnerable to invasion/attack.
Does anyone in the world feel the strength to attack weak defenseless Russia? ... No need to. This was has shown how a determined country which in theory had an inferior army can stop and, to a point, make Adolf Putin look like a stupid. He has based all his influence around Russia in the concept of having a large, technologically advanced and capable army. This ability to influence by force and threat is now severely diminished and US is going to make sure that sanctions prevent any rebuild. |
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None of what you say disproves anything of what I say. If a Russian decides to sign for service, he must be aware that this is an ugly war, with many resemblances to the trench war of WWI and also know that the moment the US decides that it has been enough there will be nothing between him and a guided bomb. Do you have any doubt that US can stop this war whenever they wish?
I doubt Biden is able to find his own dick in his pants to piss. Biden is not governing the US silly boy. |
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Where did I say Russians or the people of Russia? This is Adolf Putin and the bunch of Psychos that conform his government and the army, not the Russians as such. You are perfectly aware that what I say is true. Moscow never wanted any development in the eastern regions. They get plenty of cheap labour and army cannon fodder and giving these people an opportunity would shift the power balance from Moscow. What did you think? That the rest of the world does not know about how Adolf Putin manages Russia?
Not only I am not Russophobe, but I seem to be the only one here who is trying to let young people in Russia what happens when they sign or are forced to sign into Adolf Piutin's army - They are sent to be grinded and burned. If any of their friends and relatives read this, at least they cannot say they did not know.
Your repeated repetition of the same thought becomes tiresome. It seems this is from the Goebbels manual, that if you lie a hundred times, then the lie becomes the truth? There is no mobilization in Russia, professional soldiers are involved in the operation. There have already been four waves of mobilization in Ukraine, and now the fifth one is underway. Ukrainian men aged 18 to 60 have a difficult choice - to die, go to jail or be captured by Russians. Russian men have a simpler choice, you can continue to live as you lived before. I am so sorry that I am not amusing you - really my goal in life is to entertain people like you and make them have a great time and feel good about themselves. Oh... no no ... that is Russian TV not me, my mistake. I got confused when you asked when a lie becomes truth, that is much more your style. None of what you say disproves anything of what I say. If a Russian decides to sign for service, he must be aware that this is an ugly war, with many resemblances to the trench war of WWI and also know that the moment the US decides that it has been enough there will be nothing between him and a guided bomb. Do you have any doubt that US can stop this war whenever they wish? |
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PS. By the way, a question! It turns out in Russia the genocide of all peoples, except for the "Russians" so to speak? The state language in Russia is Russian? Where is Tatar, where is Hebrew, where is Ukrainian and Udmurt? Pure water genocide is obtained!
Perhaps you will be very surprised, but in Russia 37 languages have the status of a state language. You can give them whatever status, Adolf Putin is a Russian ethnic supremacist that despises all the minorities, which are for the main part excluded from the government ranks and decisions. Not only that, the lowest ranks of troops and the ones that are sent to die in suicide missions are mostly from the eastern regions. The people from Moscow and St Petersburg are underrepresented in the lower ranks and certainly underrepresented in the death toll. Also, the conscription service in Russia excludes precisely the people who have best contacts and more money by simply not recruiting people who can afford to go to University. Those who have the right contacts can join the officer's schools and -believe it or not - are excluded from going directly to conflicts as they are "training". This is how madness inside the madness works in Putin's Reich Tzardom. Already it seems you don’t know what to come up with in your attacks of chronic Russophobia. For some reason, tattoos with a swastika are on the Ukrainian Nazis, and the main villain here is still Putin. Where did I say Russians or the people of Russia? This is Adolf Putin and the bunch of Psychos that conform his government and the army, not the Russians as such. You are perfectly aware that what I say is true. Moscow never wanted any development in the eastern regions. They get plenty of cheap labour and army cannon fodder and giving these people an opportunity would shift the power balance from Moscow. What did you think? That the rest of the world does not know about how Adolf Putin manages Russia? Not only I am not Russophobe, but I seem to be the only one here who is trying to let young people in Russia what happens when they sign or are forced to sign into Adolf Piutin's army - They are sent to be grinded and burned. If any of their friends and relatives read this, at least they cannot say they did not know. |
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I recommend focusing less on the reports of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in order to avoid painful disappointments. By the way, quite recently you, choking with joy, talked about the American M777 howitzers, and so - they could not withstand the collision with reality and were not combat-ready. The Ukrainians never really managed to shoot accurately from them. I strongly advise you to look a bit more into the OSINT sources and less into the Flat-brain messages of Adolf's Putin controlled propaganda machine. Not only to avoid "disappointment", but to have a grasp of how your country is going to look like in two years time and to avoid you friends and relatives being conscripted and sent to heroically stop artillery shells with their teeth for 100 USD a day. Russia is not a winner of this war, no matter the military outcome. Do not die for Putin. In practical terms, the offensive in the east is not achieving as of now any noticeable result, however the massive concentration has left the south and the north-east exposed to counter attacks. I just wanted to let you know, so it does not catch you by surprise. The US and UK are being reluctant to send MLRS with a range of 60 to 70 km to Ukraine, because they are afraid those could actually reach deep in Russian territory. But that can change from one day to another. I hope you sleep well and repeat 3 times before going to sleep "I am safe in Adolf Putin's Russia..." |
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I'll just leave this here Termite munition. "precision weaponry" of Adolf's Putin army. |
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Use caution when arguing with this fellow. He is in fact brainless. He does not know what kind of animal he is, or how our planet formed.
So don't expect much critical thinking from him.
Orwellian logic is all he can muster. War is peace, slavery is freedom., etc.
Standard for you. Spouting off without anything to back what you say. Take a look at what is really going on in this Ukraine resistance to Russia peace-keeping.
MSM Offers Rare Glimpse Into How Bad Things Are Really Going For Ukrainian ForcesIn a new article titled "Ukrainian volunteer fighters in the east feel abandoned," WaPo reports that contrary to the triumphant narratives the western world is being spoon fed, many troops in eastern Ukraine have been surviving on one potato per day and deserting their posts because they feel their leaders have turned their backs on them and they're being sent to certain death.
"Stuck in their trenches, the Ukrainian volunteers lived off a potato per day as Russian forces pounded them with artillery and Grad rockets on a key eastern front line. Outnumbered, untrained and clutching only light weapons, the men prayed for the barrage to end," The Washington Post reports, citing multiple named sources."Ukrainian leaders have projected and nurtured a public image of military invulnerability — of their volunteer and professional forces triumphantly standing up to the Russian onslaught," the article reads.
...  Didn't you say that the Russians are freeing them? By pounding them with artillery? LOL. Do you hear yourself? Or you just cut and paste anything that remotely fits your handler's agenda. In police actions, this happens among military's, and it's going to affect some civilians... which thing has been happening over the last 8 years as the Ukraine has killed a bunch (14,000?) of Russian civilians. And now, with the US supporting Ukraine, and not listening to the diplomats from Russia when they ask for US help to stop the Ukraine killing of their people, what is Russia supposed to do? Just roll over and play dead? It isn't as simple as you want to make it. More and more it sounds like you simply want to get out there and kill somebody. And this time your focus happens to be on Russians. Ok, now I know that you don't know much about what is happening in Ukraine and who Russians are bombing. Do not worry to much about this particular guy. You cannot expect a lot from someone whose signature is a guy in sunglasses and simply states things and expect the world to believe without any argument of proof -no wonder he is a hard Trumpist - same style. |
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Ukraine Foreign Minister Admits He Has NOW Been Told to "Negotiate" with Russia
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They have never stopped negotiating. You can also see the guidelines for the negotiation here: https://thehill.com/news/3502032-zelensky-rips-kissinger-over-suggestion-ukraine-cede-territory-to-russia/In a Wednesday address, Zelensky said Kissinger “emerges from the deep past and says that a piece of Ukraine should be given to Russia” and that Kissinger’s “calendar is not 2022, but 1938” — a reference to the Munich Agreement, which allowed for Nazi Germany to annex land in western Czechoslovakia.
“Behind all these geopolitical speculations of those who advise Ukraine to give away something to Russia, ‘great geopoliticians’ are always unwilling to see ordinary people,” Zelensky said. “Millions of those who actually live in the territory they propose to exchange for the illusion of peace. You must always see people.” Negotiating with Russia does not bring peace, as simple as that. Adolf Putin only understands the language of threats and violence. He is no different from a patriarch of the rossíyskaya máfiya. |
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US does not want Putin to go. You do not want chaos on a country the size of Russia with a bag full of nukes. If not he would be dead already.
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Why do you think those Nazi's are protesting? Putin DID clean his house. That's why they are out in the streets. He kicked them out. Then they went over to the Ukraine side, and are plotting vengeance with the Ukrainian Nazi's.
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Including the ones with the Z's? Or is THAT type of Nazi allowed by Adolf Putin, the Russian supremacist. His "arians" are the Russ, other than that is Hitler with the crown of a Tzar. All right! Admit it. You don't love your country, and you hate it when other people love theirs. Btw, all the Z's mean is that they have been napping until now. Did someone tell you that you are funny? They were not your friends. |
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