I have essentially no experience with hardware design but I gather you could make a custom sha256 ASIC for under $500K. If that's the case, I estimate it would take less than $1M to dominate the bitcoin network's hashing power. If I was working for a government agency trying to disrupt bitcoin, I would start there.
On the other hand, the way the MtGOX hackers drove the USD exchange rate to approximately zero did seem extremely inefficient, and a perfect way to discredit bitcoin as a secure store of value.
They are driving price down so miners leave and hashing power falls and they can attack the system with just a couple of farms they already have etc. Government is being smart and trying to save $$$ - no point getting billions of ATI cards to attack the system. "Control a country's economy and you control the people too".
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I am a little curious about this currency? Why have you opted to make it GPU 'hostile'? What do you mean by this? I'm a little lost as I'm used to mining with GPU for everything else.Can GPU mining work but with limitations or is it all blocked from GPU? How can Tenebrix tell if CPU/APU/GPU/FPGA is used to mine it rather than being CPU mined like intended? Theoretically some guy can just point his GPU to a named worker set to mine this currency?
LOL. Read up mate. The algo is scrypt shit. Cannot be accelerated on GPUs. Only Linux 64 bit AMD plastic shit CPUs. No love for Intel on Linux 64 or even Windblows.
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Hacking a bit on CK's cgminer to support the new algorithm. Haven't quite decided how to manage the AMD vs generic versions of scrypt.c in a good way. It gets worse since ICC produces the best scrypt.o for the i7 using the generic version, but binaries produced by the free-as-in-beer license of that compiler can't be distributed. I should count my blessings, at least SolarisStudio and llvm produce utterly crap code compared to profile guided output of gcc and icc so I don't have to worry about that.
I'll have to re-read the license, but I may be able to distribute the assembly output of ICC.
But at any rate, with some luck I should have the AMD/Linux guys taken care of with a nice miner a couple of days after this goes live. Even if they have to pick the version of scrypt.c they like by hand.
So, how much would I be at a disadvantages with my Widnows 7 Intel machine? Hehe like 3 times disadvantage. I get with my 2600K about 10 and them crappy AMD plastic shit gets 30 WTF !
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@ripper234, “bitcoin silver” is a funny analogy I don't quite get. It's not fundamentally any different than bitcoin in any way. Scrypt vs sha256, short rounds, and a larger monetary base... that's all cosmetic. The last two are literally one-line changes, with very little practical effect. It's still bitcoin protocol, bitcoin scripting language, bitcoin generating curve, and a hash-derived proof of work. It's bitcoin through-and-through, except for a choice of hash function that makes it resistant to parallel implementation.
And why? Because a few people on this forum didn't like that parallel sha256 made mining unprofitable for those without means? Please don't forget that the role of the miner is to provide security to the network, not to make you rich. Those hoards of GPU, FPGA/ASIC mining rigs provide security far, far better than any CPU-based system could. That time traveller attack? It still exists in bitcoin, but thanks to parallel miners, exploiting it would set you back millions of $$. With these new CPU-friendly, security-hostile *coins, any reasonable botnet operator will be able to herd more hashing capacity than the entire legitimate network, far into the foreseeable future.
“Tenebrix/Fairbrix/Litecoin: Bitcoin, minus the security!”
Finally someone that gets the ScamCoin philosophy.
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I only have 1 solid question !
Will CPU mining be optimized for Intel Proc. in Windows ?
This is the KEY question. Tenebrix ( and scrypt crap coins like Fairbrix / Litecoin crap all made by 8 Japanese scammers ) SUCKS HUGE on Intel and Windows combinations. Even Linux 64bits sucks on my 2600K ! They give NO support whatsoever. Fuck them ! SolidCoin will work perfectly on Windows 7 and Intel. My 2600K gets about 160 khash/s ( maximum anyone has reported on any CPU so far ) which is damn nice !!! Fuck scrypt and Japanese scammers !
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Any exchanges lined up? I'm on board until 3 AM GMT on Thursday.
3 new ones have been working with us (and seem very trustworthy/reputable), but whether or not they will be up at hour 1 or not we won't know. They certainly *WANT* to be up at the release. There is also 2? I think currently working exchanges which should be able to seamlessly migrate to SC2.0 . One of the newer requirements for exchanges if they want our support (which is essentially linking to them and telling our users that they are ok) is a very clear indication of WHO they are. We want to avoid this anonymous exchange situation so that people have more security.More examples that RS IS doing the right thing about security in cryptocurrencies. Way to go man !
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Gavin may code a new version but if the community and major pools think it wont be fit for the network it aint going to be adopted. Why do you think its a tedicous proces to make any fundamental changes? solidcoin doesnt have this issue with its central authority tho yknow SC2 has no central authority, a word of advice if you see the name Lolcust/artforz/bitcoinexpress/sac posting anything regarding SolidCoin you can be clear there is a motive other than the truth. If you want to continue to believe lies then I guess you're one of "them" SC2.0 isn't vulnerable to the 51% attacks bitcoin is, so if Bitcoin is attacked in the near future and loses all it's wealth what will people be saying then about the lack of changes? The average person doesn't care about the pools/gavin/etc bickering about which changes to take and which to not. They simply expect one thing, that their BTC will be there tomorrow. And they cannot rely on that, it is why I think the bitcoin price has dropped recently. There is more education getting out there on how much work needs to go into BTC and it isn't being done. I've seen the same thing prior to starting SolidCoin with no one caring about the problems I raised. So I developed the solution, unlike most people I have the luxury of the skillset and the time to do it. Exactly. As soon as the bitcoin price falls below a certain threshold ( past the point of being profitable ) people will start pulling out en-masse. This will result in the network being very weak so anybody like BitcoinExpress ( has 68 ghash/s of power available anytime ) or the government can attack it and wipe out all of your fairy imaginary money. This will make Bitcoin worthless. The attacks on various exchanges etc. also contributes to the price falling as people are dumping the stolen BTC ASAP. Enjoy holding the bag folks.
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Me too!
I think it might be possible to implement this economic model on top of the bitcoin code base. I'm kicking around in my head if the reconciliation/consensus stuff could be avoided by using varying speed block creation.
Someone wrote GeistGeld was experimenting with 15 second block creation times? I think the feasibility of that depends on how many peer nodes they have in the network. But if they could substantially speed up the rate without overwhelming the network, then their appears plenty of room for flexible block creation rates. Some of it could be applied, sure, but certainly not all of it. Bitcoin is secured by hashing power. This is a joke that needs to be eliminated. I've spent too much time thinking how to get away from how bitcoin works, so no offense, but I'm not spending any effort on trying to figure out how to hack the encoin idea in. Agree with you there mate !
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PERSONAL VIEWS:
Namecoin: mined during subsidized periods, ridiculed during patsy only periods. Made some BTC. Ixcoin: Jumped on a bit late, but still made a few BTC. i0coin: Jumped on early, made some BTC. Still have some. Solidcoin: Jumped in and out early, made some BTC. Tenebrix: Jumped in fairly early, made a relative ton of BTC. Still mining it until Litecoin shows up. Fairbrix: Have a small amount of coin, not mining until an exchange shows up to allow me to make some BTC. GeistgGeld: Still have a few. Got in early, made some BTC.
I think you see a pattern here. So far the approach of adopting *every* chain that comes along early (with the possible exception of Fairbrix) has been very lucrative compared to doing nothing. The longer you wait to speculate (whether through mining or investment) the higher your risk and lower your reward, as it is with all pyramids.
It's getting a bit more difficult to choose now that multiple chains are being announced simultaneously. But so far hopping on the freshest one has been an overwhelmingly winning strategy.
Nice strategy mate ! Gonna create my own ScamCoin with 130 billion pregenerated coins and make people pay to get some coins etc. ! No more of the mining bullshit.
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If you like giant countdown timers :- http://solidcoin.info/Monday 10th October 23:35 UTC Also of note, 3 wannabe hackers from this forum claimed they would take down the SolidCoin 2 public beta and none have. Welcome to the future of cryptocurrencies, a truly secure network. Nice one mate ! Seems like the 8 Japanese scammers ( Satoshi = kano = coblee = MtGox = lolcust = SAC = BitcoinExpress = ArtForz ) proved once again that they are total idiots.
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Why not switch to SolidCoin mate ?
Amm ... why yes? There are numerous reasons I think LiteCoin is good, the release schedule being one of them. As for SolidCoin, a thread of an IRC chat between Gavin and Coinhunter showed me that I should have no dealings with SolidCoin. Care to show us ?
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OTOH, it's released w/o source code, which will make the analysis much harder.
Bet did not say anything about source code mate !
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how many needy children do you have?
21 000 000. Please donate one coin for each one. Thanks !
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SC is dead before it launched. It has too many drawbacks.
Now, the first alt currency I like and will probably speculate long on is "litecoin." It's like bitcoin, but using a CPU friendly algorithm. And without a ridiculous premine amount. It's intended to be the silver to bitcoin's gold and IMO it's the first alt chain with a shot of making it.
As far as impact? Short term positive, long term neutral. To speculate on the various shitcoins people need to buy up bitcoins. Those 2000 bitcoins up on the bid on btce are not in circulation, so every alt chain to come along is a slight, imperceptible boost to bitcoin price.
At least until that chain collapses.
Care to backup your points ? I think SC2 is great and Litecoin is crap.
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LOL so it seems like anyone on here can lock and move topics as they please !? WOW. Only on threads they created themselves or on any thread !?
It seems like I can only move / lock my own topic but he was locking topics started by others so WTF ?
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Yes, so why has he got the power to close the threads
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Why is he doing this ? Does he have authority to close any thread he pleases ? If not, did he hack the forum AGAIN ? Is he a moderator ?
Thanks.
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Namecoin: Has a technical advantage over Bitcoin ... basically it's everything Bitcoin is, plus DNS minus network effect. With merged mining, it should be secure now. Might appreciate. Has no GUI yet, for some reason I can't fathom ( MultiCoin anyone?) Fairbrix: Might see some relative adoption. I'm not convinced, but I might be wrong. Has no exchange yet AFAIK. All the others are too risky IMO. LiteCoin (not launched yet) seems to be very promising. Here is my take on it. LItecoin - like we needed another scrypt AMD biased shitcoin ! Oh noes
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OMG now on the cpu front we have so many scam coins
8 Japanese scammers shit ( all using scrypt algorithm ) : Tenebrix, Fairbrix, Litecoin
RealSolid using unknown algorithm in Solidcoin 2
Please merge mine these scrypt cpu only coins or they are fking useless.
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For SandyBridge CPUs (corei7 with four digit model numbers).
git the package. ./configure (screw the flags) gedit Makefile find "CFLAGS = " Change that line to: CFLAGS = -march=native -O3 -Wall -msse2 -msse3 -msse4.1 -msse4.2 -msse4 -mavx Brought my performance from 2.6kh/s per core (running one thread per core) to 3.66-3.7kh/s per core.
Tested with 6 threads, +2 kh/s in total. HT works now! Just needed some hardcore flags, that's all.
I wonder if someone could compile this package for Windows i5 & i7 users ? I'm waiting for this as well.
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