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261  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency on: September 06, 2018, 05:06:53 PM
I think Fluffypony is a pretentious pompous ass,

^

edit: watch out billy boy, icey owns the conversation on this thread
262  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency on: September 06, 2018, 04:57:51 PM
Since icebreaker became a masternode owner and the spirited way he entered the debate on how to spend treasury funds. Its impressive. Demo16 with his 0.1 dash that he owns and sadly no masternode. Not quite so well qualified to give an opinion.

But imagine giving all the funds to miners like monero does. That can be good too I suppose?

I had this idea that  icebreaker could use his masternode earnings to buy monero. Then when he has enough monero to buy a new masternode, buy dash. Then he could use those multiplied earnings to buy more monero. Until he wants another masternode.. Cool idea hey icey

Perhaps thats why he follows the DASH/XMR pair so avidly?
263  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency on: September 06, 2018, 10:50:13 AM
 I never ever buy monero, not with fiat, not with bitcoin and definately not with Dash. I wouldnt recommend anyone here to trade Dash for Monero. If you are holding monero I would buy Dash preferably a masternode. Like icey did. But thats just my own view. If you zoom out a bit you can see Dash is still well up from lows against xmr.

When they were at parity there were monero goons on here bragging about how xmr would be much more valuable than dash. Dash then spiked up to as high as 1 dash = 6 xmr (monero) at one point.



But anyway, I'll go back to ignoring this trade pair since I have no desire to hold monero.
264  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency on: September 05, 2018, 09:32:20 PM
Let's LIBERATE the users/readers of the dash forums, NOW

Yes, lets liberate the Dash forums by re-directing unexspecting users to Monero created Dash "Uncensored" troll threads  Roll Eyes
Great job demo !! I suspect this is the Monero troll posting on multi-user demo16 account, hi Monero troll.

Trolls : they can't live with Dash and they can't live without Dash.  It must be pretty exhausting, to have a competitor's crypto-project like Dash constantly on your mind like this.

The ironic part of all these "uncensored" Dash threads, is that none are coming from the Dash community.
Thats rather telling.

For example it tells me that people referencing these Monero troll threads are really just tools.
Small insignificant little tools. Posting the same thinizzieg over and over and over. Maybe its a new tactic
from trolls : if nothing else works, just bore them to death.

I must confess though its working, i do feel kinda bored....  Undecided

Hey qwizzie....I think it's time we all ignore these guys. There are really only a couple of Montero trolls that we have a good idea who they are.  We've been discussing this indepth in a private chat room for a while now.   Its been a multi pronged attack vectors....with concentration being pointed towards community disruption.  I'll try to fill in more later ...but it's not going to get us anywhere publicly conversing with any of them and their personas.

Are they filling in for icebreaker while he's on holiday or something?
265  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 03, 2018, 10:47:30 PM
^^
Yeah indeed .... even from 200-300 to the price of today is incredible

I started at an average cost per BTC around $1,200 in late 2013, but that did not last long because as we know the price continued to drop for about a year and then get stuck in a low point of mid $200s for nearly another year, so buying as the price came down brought down my average cost per BTC to about $500 by early 2017.  In early 2017, I had some phone porting hacker issues when the BTC prices were in the $1,100 arena which caused my cost per BTC to rise to over $700 (due to losses)..... ..

I guess that my point is even if any of us BTC HODLers have some screw ups along the way that bring up our average cost per BTC, just from being in BTC for so long and striving towards BTC accumulation we still are likely sitting fairly pretty from the great BTC price appreciation.... even if we may not have received the full value of that two year long BTC price appreciation that started from $250 in mid to late 2015.  

I understand that there are also some BTC HODLers that might be in the $2k to $5k per BTC costs, and even they are not in a bad place with current BTC price dynamics and the threats that the price might go lower.. (but it might not, also... hahahaha)

The HODLers who are in the red, right now (might have average costs per BTC in the $8k to $19k range, but it really seems a lack of commitment to BTC if anyone has not been able to bring down their cost per BTC during the last more than 6 months), probably need to HODL and continue to buy BTC to continue to attempt to bring down their average cost per BTC, and it seems quite likely that just a few years down the road and perhaps as long as 5-10 years they are quite likely to experience decent price appreciation that outcompetes various traditional investments (no guarantee of course, but strategy and plan can help to increase the odds of HODLers and their position in the upcoming world that is likely to include more BTC awareness into the future).

I'm not disciplined enough to know my average cost, would be intresting to know though. First time I bought bitcoin was coming down from its MtGox $32 dollar all time high and I was in the red for ages afterwards because it kept going all the way down to $2. However I lost my entire first stash in the bitcoinica hack. Last time I bought was in the $250 range. I sold off a bunch too early though still at extremely good profit. I don't think the strategy of buying all the way down and selling all the way up works for me. I like to try and time bottoms to accumulate then mostly hodl, if I can i will try to diversify on tops. That might mean only a few trades in a few years. Banking problems hindered me on the last top. Its a constant learning experience.

Ultimately, I agree that you need to tailorize a strategy that is comfortable for you and attempt to learn from that strategy, and perhaps bitcoin does have some differences from traditional kinds of investments, but my personal approach has been to attempt to employ strategies that are similar to what I had been using in my traditional investing - such as dollar cost averaging; however, some differences that I have found with bitcoin has been the 24/7 access and really various abilities to really make micro-trades with little to no fees that have caused me to develop some additional and what I would characterize as complementary strategies that make dollar cost averaging one of three legs - rather than the previous primary leg.

Sure there are some other strategies too, that carry through, which are things like managing your cash flow so that you are not overinvesting and living within your means, and then just having various targets.  

So yeah, part of the anal aspect of creating targets and plans and revising plans ends up having some kind of decent approximation of your various costs and establishing various means to verify whether your wealth is growing from the strategy including figuring out how much certain actions might be costing you which could also affect short term plans about how to cover some of those extra costs or to roll them into your overall expenses to help to figure out your next moves and set ups and what thresholds are going to trigger the next moves.

One issue that I have with any strategy that attempts to identify tops and bottoms is that it seems to require too much attempt to rely on a large quantity of inference (from missing information) and too much necessity to try to figure out the meaning and weight of various pieces of information including game theory movs of other people that I don't know and who could be motivated by factors way beyond my ability to understand.  Yeah, of course there are macro-tools, too, but I would just rather NOT be attempt to place too much emphasis on attempting to predict price direction as long as I have established a plan for either price direction, then I consider that approach to be way less stressful for myself and just inline with my past practice and what seems to be my personality preferences.

So, my question for you, afbitcoins, includes whether you believe that your system is working for you and are you learning and tweaking your system, and are you really prepared for either up or down?  Perhaps you have learned a bit from some of your prior experiences to just HODL some portion of your coins.. whether it is 25% or some other amount that you believe to be reasonable, but instead it seems that you are inclined to "play" with nearly the whole amount of your stash and attempt to predict price directions?   I do understand that sometimes you can win pretty BIG with that strategy, but still seems really difficult to either predict tops or bottoms or to get anywhere near close to predicting without suffering quite a few opportunity costs by being too much out when you want to be in or too much in when you want to be out .. and in that regard, to me, there just seems to be too much stress that is beyond my own tolerance(s).  How do you deal with all of that?  You get pleasure out of making BIG plays, rather than attempting some form of incrementalism?

Thanks for your reply JJG though I only just saw it, I've been neglecting WO thread a little lately , missed many pages. I guess what I described in my previous post was only the kind of 'fiat gateway' part of my system (if it can be called a system). I rarely cash out to fiat unless there is a reason, eg paying for a car or paying off mortgage, extra funds for a holiday, investing in something outside crypto etc. I'm quite frugal and live within my means mostly without needing to cash in any crypto. Those sort of ideas start coming on my radar when bitcoin is on a crazy bull run spike. But my normal state is to HODL and not sell to fiat. I am much more likely to trade between bitcoin and a few other cryptos that I like, mainly Dash. Yes,,Dash sorry. Its a great asset though regardless of bad rep on this thread. As I said I have no stats to know what my dollar cost average is, due to my convoluted trading style. But I do know that I have cashed out more fiat value then I first put in, and my stack in btc terms has grown over that time too.

edit: Just to add in case it wasn't clear, I wouldn't go all into fiat or even some big number as part of my trading strategy, I got into precious metals and cryptos as a way of getting my wealth out of fiat. I might cash out then but then buy gold if I was wanting out of crypto as an example.
266  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency on: September 02, 2018, 08:14:27 PM

CoinFairValue Adds Total Fair Market Cap Value, Indicates Major Decrease in Cryptocurrency Speculation

CoinFairValue, which aims to reveal the fair value of cryptocurrency by using extensive formulas to focus on actual usage and fundamentals of each coin, has recently unveiled total Fair Market Cap data.

Dash Force News caught up with @pablomp, the creator of the equations and website, about this newest development. He started off by describing the difference between regular Market Cap data and Fair Market Cap data. As a reminder, fair value is the “intrinsic or theoretical value of the coin according to its current usage” and modeled after how stocks derive fair value “from the discounted expected free cash flows” of that company.



This is really cool, have bookmarked it. Dash well below its fair value, look well positioned for the future

I would be very interested in the underlaying formulas to determine the "fair" price. I totally agree that DASH is undervalued right now but I am always very critical for something like that in general. Why BCH is valued that high compared to Bitcoin is just random. And they are proposing many random coins quite high which most of them are not even delivering a network

They go in a lot of detail on the website. Wade through it at your leisure.
https://www.coinfairvalue.com/reference/
267  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency on: September 02, 2018, 02:36:25 PM
why so much attention of the broad masses to this project? Explain, please. Nothing special, honestly, I do not see in this one "Dash".

Do you know anything about Dash? You been missing out bro. Where to start? Low fees, fast transactions, instant send. Privacy options. Innovator of two tier network and masternodes. Treasury funded by its own blockchain. Can afford to fund developers / marketing / and other. Governance. First working DAO. Non contentious upgrades. On chain scaling. Large network of nodes  which are incentivised. Announcment thread with most views thanks to free bumps from trolls.

268  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency on: September 02, 2018, 02:31:39 PM

CoinFairValue Adds Total Fair Market Cap Value, Indicates Major Decrease in Cryptocurrency Speculation


CoinFairValue, which aims to reveal the fair value of cryptocurrency by using extensive formulas to focus on actual usage and fundamentals of each coin, has recently unveiled total Fair Market Cap data.

Dash Force News caught up with @pablomp, the creator of the equations and website, about this newest development. He started off by describing the difference between regular Market Cap data and Fair Market Cap data. As a reminder, fair value is the “intrinsic or theoretical value of the coin according to its current usage” and modeled after how stocks derive fair value “from the discounted expected free cash flows” of that company.



This is really cool, have bookmarked it. Dash well below its fair value, look well positioned for the future
269  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency on: September 02, 2018, 02:24:04 PM
I have currently been traveling through south american and Venezuelans are every where. Colombia, Mexico, etc.. They are all super desperate for money and a few of them that I've spoken with had or have heard of Dash.

That appears to be a flaw in the strategy of using Dash for remittances to VZ. If the expatriots don't have money to send, it doesn't matter very much if we can help save them money doing it.

The strategy seems to me to be to build a Dash community in VZ that will not ever cash out, so it will become a way to soak up liquidity and make it less likely that price will dump and make pumps more dramatic. The problem comes in that VZ is by most metrics a net consumer of wealth, not a producer, which means that most of that dash will eventually be cashed out as Venezuelans buy imports to survive.

Is there reason to believe Venezuela is becoming a net producer of wealth again? If so what is that reason?

Am I missing something? This is a real question and not concern-trolling.

Did you just make this shit up? This is not my impression of VZ. I think you sold Dash at the bottom and desperately seek reasons to be right. I could be wrong but thats the impression I get. All of your posts try to paint a negative picture for Dash. Is that not the case ?
270  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: August 31, 2018, 09:01:32 PM
^^
Yeah indeed .... even from 200-300 to the price of today is incredible

I started at an average cost per BTC around $1,200 in late 2013, but that did not last long because as we know the price continued to drop for about a year and then get stuck in a low point of mid $200s for nearly another year, so buying as the price came down brought down my average cost per BTC to about $500 by early 2017.  In early 2017, I had some phone porting hacker issues when the BTC prices were in the $1,100 arena which caused my cost per BTC to rise to over $700 (due to losses)..... ..

I guess that my point is even if any of us BTC HODLers have some screw ups along the way that bring up our average cost per BTC, just from being in BTC for so long and striving towards BTC accumulation we still are likely sitting fairly pretty from the great BTC price appreciation.... even if we may not have received the full value of that two year long BTC price appreciation that started from $250 in mid to late 2015.  

I understand that there are also some BTC HODLers that might be in the $2k to $5k per BTC costs, and even they are not in a bad place with current BTC price dynamics and the threats that the price might go lower.. (but it might not, also... hahahaha)

The HODLers who are in the red, right now (might have average costs per BTC in the $8k to $19k range, but it really seems a lack of commitment to BTC if anyone has not been able to bring down their cost per BTC during the last more than 6 months), probably need to HODL and continue to buy BTC to continue to attempt to bring down their average cost per BTC, and it seems quite likely that just a few years down the road and perhaps as long as 5-10 years they are quite likely to experience decent price appreciation that outcompetes various traditional investments (no guarantee of course, but strategy and plan can help to increase the odds of HODLers and their position in the upcoming world that is likely to include more BTC awareness into the future).

I'm not disciplined enough to know my average cost, would be intresting to know though. First time I bought bitcoin was coming down from its MtGox $32 dollar all time high and I was in the red for ages afterwards because it kept going all the way down to $2. However I lost my entire first stash in the bitcoinica hack. Last time I bought was in the $250 range. I sold off a bunch too early though still at extremely good profit. I don't think the strategy of buying all the way down and selling all the way up works for me. I like to try and time bottoms to accumulate then mostly hodl, if I can i will try to diversify on tops. That might mean only a few trades in a few years. Banking problems hindered me on the last top. Its a constant learning experience.

271  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: August 31, 2018, 08:30:05 PM
There is no magic way to find the annointed special mix of just the right people to give away to, who will instantly value their freebie crypto token and become byteball users. And a magical and complete ecosystem will instantly appear around them all. Yet this magical fantasy is what the powers of byteball are aiming for. And they seem to be clueless why it doesn't work.  

The reality is speculator / investor who valued the token enough to buy it is the current use case. But those people have been shafted. Leaving a void in demand.Its painful to be a part of.

272  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency on: August 31, 2018, 08:13:21 PM
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273  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency on: August 29, 2018, 10:44:04 AM

I also find annoying flat earth forums like this one.
All this discussion between me and qwizzie should reside in a thread.
So you could read only the first message, and ignore the rest ones.

Part of my campaign's goal is this, to turn the dash forums to threaded ones.


Watch my youtube video  here , NOW!




I? Me? Shouldn't it be 'we' and 'our'? which of the demo posters are you? Are you the monero one? Please proof who you are with a signed message? Thanks
274  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency on: August 29, 2018, 10:39:47 AM
Hey, listen. I agree that these Krip phones look promising, as does the market apparently, but it doesn't answer my question. What in our overburdened treasury are we going to give up in order to get them?

So this partnership is funded from the treasury? Have you got a link to the proposal for that for the sake of interest? Thanks
275  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency on: August 28, 2018, 11:57:16 AM
From a technical point of view a rebound is overdue anyway. This business in south america is a handy catalyst. And really good news.

I really hope drklvr was shorting dash  Kiss he called me a perma bull but I  called it.
276  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency on: August 27, 2018, 04:47:05 PM
Wonder how it feels to now people who have bought Dash in the beginning of the project? Now it is a very profitable business.

If they stuck with it it must feel great. I bought in quite early but did have regrets I didn't go in more
277  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency on: August 27, 2018, 04:37:51 PM
I just want to thank all the trolls out there (you all know who you are) for the continuid bumping of our
Dash ANN thread. It is mostly thanks to you guys that our Dash ANN thread has fortified its position
as most viewed and replied ANN thread of all the Altcoins.

Let the lack of replies not demotivate you guys from continuing to bump our thread, it is important
work you are all doing. I see even our little mermaid ariel decided today to help out with the bumping,
much appreciated my old friend.

I would appreciate a little more bumping from drklvr_ and from icey though, this is no time for them to take a break.
Please help them get motivated to bump our thread again, we need them !! So what if their posts get ignored or get
ridiculed ? Lets drag get them back in...

It's not just trolls and haterz. Nobody using the official forums can discuss unpleasant subjects without the risk of censorship.  So thank the repressive moderators there that this thread gets so much use.

My perception is that this thread has had mostly trolling for a long time, with very little free discussion on any unpleasant subjects or thorny issues that I recall, even though theoretically that is possible without censorship  any such dialog would be drowned out or used as ammunition by the dash hating trolls. The biggest troll of all, icebreaker puts a huge effort into 'controlling the narrative' here as he calls it, he also openly hates Dash. What sort of issues are you unable to discuss?

If the Dash forums do have an overly heavy handed approach to censoring thorny issues, perhaps that is an overreaction to the original troll controlled narrative found here.

The thing is the number of people that have left this thread to instead go to the Dash forums shows which is the best place for the discussion. No-one made them leave, if was a free choice. I would presume I'd have seen a lot more of them returning here if the dash forums are indeed as bad as claimed by the shady group known as demo and yourself. But they haven't.
278  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency on: August 27, 2018, 03:22:07 PM

We are legion
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZyRE8DAocw

Spit the cancer of censorship and of spamming out of the dash forums.
Let's LIBERATE the users/readers of the dash forums, NOW!




I wonder how the mods in here feel about you lending your password of your demo16 account to other anynomous and banned users and use your dynamic ip addresses to confuse those moderators... oh well, i'm sure thats not against the rules of this forum .. no need to worry about it i guess.

The mods on here seem non-existant. I reported some of DrkLvrs abusive posts recently. Which were about as abusive as they come, and ... nothing. Happy days for free speech

I wonder if Adam_White is one of those banned users that demo gave his password to. Adam, are you in there somewhere ? Can we talk to you ?
Damn, where is my ouija board when i need it.

 Wink Grin Grin Grin
279  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency on: August 27, 2018, 01:06:23 PM

Waaa I love Dash


I wonder how the mods in here feel about you lending your password of your demo16 account to other anynomous and banned users and use your dynamic ip addresses to confuse those moderators... oh well, i'm sure thats not against the rules of this forum .. no need to worry about it i guess.

The mods on here seem non-existant. I reported some of DrkLvrs abusive posts recently. Which were about as abusive as they come, and ... nothing. Happy days for free speech

280  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency on: August 27, 2018, 01:01:01 PM
do you mean you and billyjoeallen? or is there a huge groundswell of Tao haters?
I speak only for myself, thats why I edited my message and changed "our mission" to "my mission"


Eh ok, you speak only for yourself..
(Funny how you first wrote 'our mission' then changed it to 'my mission', though. Illuminating.)



It is very practical for many reasons, many people to use a single account. I can sign my messages with the private key of my cryptocurrency wallet, in case I want the people who dont know me to recognise me. But I rarely need to sign.  In the forums I talk, people recognise the way I talk, they recognize me even in case too many of us speak through the same account. I mean, who else can fix the bugs I fix?


Many people afterall ...  Huh


But still practical for many reasons you say? This is not at all practical at all. You really trying to convince this? if you want to have honest conversations its about the most impractical method one could imagine.. However if you want to spread misinformation and FUD then I can see this indeed being very practical. So I guess your agenda is misinformation and FUD. That would also explain why you dislike moderators on dash forums. Because they are making that hard for you

The way you keep saying 'our' and 'we'. Who is the 'we' that you represent? You want us to believe you are all just a random group of free speech advocates who for some reason want to use the Dash forum as your platform. But keep getting banned ? If only it wasn't for Tao ? You seem very organised because you all have the same posting style. But then you could be Govt agents? Monerons? What is clear is that you don't have the best interests of Dash in your agenda.

If it is only about free speech why has nearly all the Dash community left this troll infested cesspit of free speech to go instead into the Dash forum? I remember when this announcement thread had very interesting discussions. But for a long time now it has only been fighting trolls.

And yes I do recognise your style, it is the same as that of icebreaker. Though you deny it, your style is the same.


I've analysed the posting style of 'demo15'.

- Highlights certain key parts in large font using different colour.
- Turns up daily to repost the same post again trying to bump it up to the top of the thread
- Quick to respond to any disagreement
- Tries to hold the moral highground while actually trolling.

=Now lets look at 'iCEBREAKER'

- Highlights certain key parts in large font using different colour.
- Turns up daily to repost the same post again trying to bump it up to the top of the thread
- Quick to respond to any disagreement
- Tries to hold the moral highground while actually trolling.


Hmmm

I could add a further similarity, both claim they are fighting against a 'cancer'
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