Yeah, especially if the judges that are throwing out Trumps cases are conservative in the way they rule on cases and were sometimes even appointed by Trump. Pretty good indication if every single legal expert that is in the news, both conservative and liberal, are saying that the cases that are out there aren't likely to change the outcome of anything.
There's literally nothing happening right now that is going on right now that has the ability to make Trump the President.
And it's not like these are tough or questionable decisions... those cases are being tossed for being frivolous. Some disbarments are more likely than this getting past SC, and some of those cases have actually been dropped by lawyers/plaintiffs themselves probably because they realize how much shit they'd be in if they continue to push Trump's lies (keep in mind that Trump is not the plaintiff in any of the cases - it's usually his campaign or some allegedly aggrieved voters). And BTW the reason we have nutjobs like Rudy Giuliani and Lin Wood now on these cases is that reputable law firms don't want to touch this nonsense. Not expecting for anyone to get disbarred, though I do think it's a fair comparison when it comes to the chances of this getting to the SC and people being disbarred. Then again, people are saying that one of the thing that points to the fact that this is more about theater is that Giuliani is the one that is leading the charge on this case. If it wasn't Giuliani and it was a relatively normal law firm that is hard hitting in getting wins then we'd expect for this to point towards this being more serious litigation instead of just a show to raise money.  |
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The lower court rulings are not going to matter. You should expect at least one PA case to make it to the SCOTUS. Trump is challenging the election results in court. Expect there to be multiple lawsuits and SC rulings. The lower court rulings are a pretty good indicator of whether or not there's a valid legal argument being made. In most cases, it doesn't appear there is - the arguments are basically nonsense. I doubt SCOTUS even bothers with most of the ones that haven't been dropped and the lower court rulings will stand. The lower court rulings have nothing to do with how higher courts will rule. Case in point, how many lower (and appellate) courts ruled against Trump regarding his travel ban? How many times has the SC struck down lower courts who have ruled against Trump in the last 4 years? If one judge thinks a case is bonkers its a pretty good indicator that another judge will think the case is bonkers. Yeah, especially if the judges that are throwing out Trumps cases are conservative in the way they rule on cases and were sometimes even appointed by Trump. Pretty good indication if every single legal expert that is in the news, both conservative and liberal, are saying that the cases that are out there aren't likely to change the outcome of anything. There's literally nothing happening right now that is going on right now that has the ability to make Trump the President. |
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Trump underperformed the down-ballot candidates almost everywhere. If the election stands, voters will have voted against Trump, rather than for Biden. Loeffler should handily win as her opponent is especially radical in a Red state. Loeffler and Collins received a total of ~56% of votes, while her opponent only received ~32.9% of the vote. I take a bit of a different take on things. I think that they voted for Trumps policies, though they voted against Trump the personality. Trumps policies have been pretty rightward and have been embraced by the Republican wing of the party, they've liked what they've gotten over these years. The personality has been something that people have had to swallow as their best shot at getting conservative policies, as he is the King of the Republican party at this point. I do think we will get another Trump soon, though he won't be as much of Trump the personality. He'll still have it there, though he'll be a lot more reigned in by advisors and less abrasive. That's going to be a bit of the new normal in politics for sometime. |
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Sell it to someone that knows how to create a website and then donate the money to his campaign (I assume you can donate to campaigns in India, but I'm not sure).
+1 to that. Just an an aside I don't really think there is going to be much value for this sort of domain. I'm assuming that in India there the '.in' ending of a domain is very common there, and people aren't going to care much about a domain that ends in .win. Just like in the US people are very used to using domains that end in '.com' '.org' or etc. But yeah Twitchys comment is going to be the thing that really helps here. But that's that in regards to your best shot at helping the campaign. |
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Best part about this for people that don't know is that this is an ACTUAL QUOTE from Mark Zuckerberg regarding the people that first used Facebook when it was only being used for students at Harvard. He was talking to another studdent at the time, back in 2004, and he couldn't understand why people were willingly giving up their information to him. Here's what he had to say about the situation: As reported by Business Insider, the conversation according to SAI sources, went as follows.
Zuck: Yeah so if you ever need info about anyone at Harvard
Zuck: Just ask.
Zuck: I have over 4,000 emails, pictures, addresses, SNS
[Redacted Friend's Name]: What? How'd you manage that one?
Zuck: People just submitted it.
Zuck: I don't know why.
Zuck: They "trust me"
Zuck: Dumb fucks. So yeah, actual quote from Zuckerberg regarding the 4000 students at Harvard who at the time had been using Facebook in its infancy (as it was only for people at Harvard) |
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I’m stunned to read that Trump apparently wants Republican battleground states to ignore the will ...
of the people
of the Dominion voting machines manipulated by the evil minions of George Soros....
Fixed it for you. LOL. Are we acting like these systems weren't used in certain areas that Trump won as well? Is there a reason that these voting machines worked in areas that Trump won and didn't work in areas that Trump lost? - FXHedge is reporting that this is what is happening - https://twitter.com/Fxhedgers/status/1330681664704446466Like Donald Trumps legal efforts aren't working at all and he is going to have to accept the fact that he lost pretty soon. Like, it's alright to lose sometimes and there is nothing wrong with that. The Senate will most likely end up being Republican so that means Biden will not be able to do much at all in regards to changing tax policy and things like that. |
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Can Trumppers boycotting the GA Senate runoffs bc the whole world is rigged against them really be a thing?
LOL I had the same question in the other thread. Seems to me like someone might be trolling QAnonists but you never know with those morons... could be real. I doubt SCOTUS even bothers with most of the ones that haven't been dropped and the lower court rulings will stand.
This PA case was so blatantly stupid that I can imagine SCOTUS refusing to take it, same with most of those 30+ cases really. Or they can take it and slap Trump down again to make a point that elections are not to be fucked with. I don't think even ACB and the beer boy would be able to stretch the constitution to invalidate millions of ballots based on a couple of questionable anecdotes. Yeah, I think that Trump thinks that the judges that he vetted and picked are going to -- for some reason - disregard the rule of law that they've studied, followed, and enforced on the courts prior to the SC, just for him? Just like when Trump met with some of the legislatures from Michigan, did he think that these people were going to just bow to him and disregard the fact that they'd probably be starting a civil war if they tried to invalidate the results of the election in their state. This is all going to end soon, hopefully. |
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Doesn't really matter what the vote totals are anymore. The results are going to be certified at the end of the week or early next and the Trump legal team, like utter incompetent dumb fucks, are going on TV talking about how much evidence of voter fraud there is without, ya know, showing the damn evidence.
I wasn't actually mad at the election results rather than disappointed, but seeing Trump's lawyers going on Fox News convincing their rabid viewers that their sitting on a bombshell without actually releasing it makes me overly bitter. You have less than 10 days before it's completely over and the results, no matter what, can't be changed once the states certify the results. Lawsuits take time. Release the damn evidence instead of going on Fox.
Yup. This is exactly what is going to happen. They're going to go on TV and complain about it, retweet false claims all over social media and confuse the hell out of their voter base that believes every single thing that they say and will not do any of their own investigations into the matter. But all of that is strategy in a way. The Trump legal team knows they're not going to get anywhere and all of this is being done to ensure that Trump is still the leader of the GOP even after he has left. He knows he still wields a MASSIVE amount of power within the party and is going to try to utilize that to raise money and then make politicians beholden to his world view and his policy view. Press conference was today with Rudi Guliani and some Powell(?) lady who apparently represented Michael Flynn iirc. Of course, nothing meaningful came out of the press conference and they floated around voter fraud without showing evidence. The hair dye dripping down his face was entertaining.   Since then 3 more lawsuits have gone up in smoke (GA, AZ and PA). I think that's 20 now?
But all of that is strategy in a way. The Trump legal team knows they're not going to get anywhere and all of this is being done to ensure that Trump is still the leader of the GOP even after he has left. He knows he still wields a MASSIVE amount of power within the party and is going to try to utilize that to raise money and then make politicians beholden to his world view and his policy view.
He's also raising quite a bit of money off the whole fraud fraud. Heh, yeah. All of this money that is being raised is going to a NEW PAC that Donald Trump just founded. Pretty sure it's a leadership PAC, which is going to allow him to use the money how he sees fits on ensuring that 'Trump people' continue to win Republican elections. Here's some info on that - https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/09/us/politics/trump-pac.htmlSeems like Trump wanted to try to court some Michigan members of the state legislature in an attempt to have them appoint electora that would support Trump instead of Biden, who won the state, but that was cancelled b/c of a COVID Exposure - https://www.axios.com/trump-giuliani-white-house-michigan-covid-abbbbcf3-e415-4d9d-8911-427be7b645b1.html |
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Well, it seems pretty obvious to me, that Trump is not 'leaving' the white house, until 'maybe' (IMHO) the weekend before the Biden/Harris Innogaration...and just not showing up for such either. I mean it makes little sense unless he just wants to 'delay' the transition during the pandemic, to dump even a bigger mess on the next administration due to spite. It does fix his past actions with divorces and bankruptcies and the rest....sigh.  There is even talk that he will not sign the budget deadline agreed to before the election...I mean really? That ends December 11th, 2020. https://www.rollcall.com/2020/09/29/senate-ends-debate-on-stopgap-funding-bill-final-vote-wednesday/Talk about a 'world of hurt' before the next Biden Administration is sworn in, during a pandemic, no less! Not sure this thread should not be renamed to 'How will Trump leave the white house? Burned Down? or Not? at this point in this thread. Anyway, seems I have moved past this thread's question..but I mean...one thing for Trump to 'grudgingly' leave at some point and another for Trump to simply 'trash' the transition process for personal spite and/or further political gain. anyway, sorry about the rant, but I 'wish' this whole transition of power after the election was as simple as when the OP made this poll and this thread. Brad Eh. To be honest with everyone I know that right now it is hard to actually look at, though I do think that the Trump admin will leave peacefully by the time that they actually have to. Right now Trump is trying to do the Trump thing. Drum up controversy and keep all eyes on him. He's probably doing pretty well raising money and he isn't letting another Republican even begin to take the reigns from him. He is still, without a doubt, the leader of the Republican party and will be for sometime to come. He has the money and the voter support to continue controlling the party and this is just him continuing to show and do that. But yes, as of right now they are trashing the process. Though I do think as we get closer to Jan 20th things will look a lot more clear. There's really no way he can keep this going up until that point -- people are going to start to turn against him if he does. |
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You guys should think about checking out the Politics & Society sub. (fair warning: there are a few regulars that are absolute nut jobs) I'd appreciate it if we could move the conversation on this thread beyond the election and voting concerns and focus on sports and gambling until there is concrete news regarding the election.
P&S resident who is not a nut job <3 We'll accept all of you with open arms, please do come over so we have less conspiracy theorist garbage and the threads have at least some level of critical thinking that can help all of us move along. Just to relate this to the thread - I do like Stake, great site. |
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Sigh.
TOTALLY NOT a good way to bring forth any meaningful change. Just personally attacking people of the opposite side isn't doing anything, all it does is cause other people to do the same thing and then we simply devolve into persoal attacks and we don't even get to find any sort of compromise when it comes to policy and such.
This is the problem that we have now. We need to be better.
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Doesn't really matter what the vote totals are anymore. The results are going to be certified at the end of the week or early next and the Trump legal team, like utter incompetent dumb fucks, are going on TV talking about how much evidence of voter fraud there is without, ya know, showing the damn evidence.
I wasn't actually mad at the election results rather than disappointed, but seeing Trump's lawyers going on Fox News convincing their rabid viewers that their sitting on a bombshell without actually releasing it makes me overly bitter. You have less than 10 days before it's completely over and the results, no matter what, can't be changed once the states certify the results. Lawsuits take time. Release the damn evidence instead of going on Fox.
Yup. This is exactly what is going to happen. They're going to go on TV and complain about it, retweet false claims all over social media and confuse the hell out of their voter base that believes every single thing that they say and will not do any of their own investigations into the matter. But all of that is strategy in a way. The Trump legal team knows they're not going to get anywhere and all of this is being done to ensure that Trump is still the leader of the GOP even after he has left. He knows he still wields a MASSIVE amount of power within the party and is going to try to utilize that to raise money and then make politicians beholden to his world view and his policy view. |
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Until the court declares that there was a case of fraud in the election, I think Trump and his team needs to work with Bidens team and move towards a smooth transition, but that's not going to happen, cause according to Donald Trump, he won and there's not going be any transition. Having said that, if his team starts working with Biden's, then it's more like he has started to accept the reality that he lost the election, so that's exactly the reason why things will remain this way until there's a court decision on this issue.
Trump is day dreaming because he cannot accept the fact that he is dethroned and bear the record of the first incumbent to lose an election for a long time, Trump is an example on how not to win in your re election bid, so all those coming president will learn a lesson not to emulate Trump's policy, the worst president in times of pandemic. Hm. To be honest with you I think that Donald Trump would've won reelection handily if not for the Coronavirus. This election wasn't supposed to be this close, but it really was, just like in 2016 the deciding factor was a few hundred thousand votes spread across some swing states. If not for Corona and the Trump handling of it, then Trump would've EASILY cruised to reelection. But yeah, we're here. Unprecedented times cause for an incumbent to lose for the first time since 1992? Trump being the fourth incumbent President since WW2 to lose reelection. |
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if the ban truly enforced, what stops criminals switching from whatsapp to another less popular end-to-end encryption messaging app that's under the radar. Criminals will definitely take extra effort to find the replacement for whatsapp but ordinary, normal and law obeying users gonna have a hard time because they just have no privacy anymore. It just doesn't make sense. Even nowadays criminal already be able making their own messaging app since the source code already floating around every corner of github as of now. It's just the most inneffective way of dealing with the criminal.
Fighting criminals who use encryption as a tool to launder money might be the main reason why the EU moves towards an encryption ban. There should be more pressure on the big messaging apps like whatsapp to prevent people from exploiting it. It's a great communication tool to connect people from various countries which is the common setup of criminals these days. The live in one country, and travel to another one to do their crimes. Sigh, you're literally a person on a Bitcoin forum talking about telling people that 'yes encryption is good, but criminals use it so its bad and companies should police it' Yeah that's great and all, and is something that people can unite around, but there is no way to separate the 'good' and the 'bad' when it comes to privacy and trying to stop others, like the government, from reading your communication with others. That's why people dont want the government to end encryption, or to fight against it in some way to get their own backdoor. A backdoor helps all malicious parties, not just the 'amazing government who cares so much about you' |
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Why, the 'mail ballots' worked fine! JUST AS THEY WERE INTENDED TO!
Yes. The counting was slow, just as it was intended to be.
I wouldn't call it "intended". But inevitable, particularly in states that didn't take action to adjust their election process for the pandemic. Everything's fine.
Yes. Because, shut up.
No, because facts. +1 to the portion regarding some states not making this an easy process. People fail to understand that the reason that Florida was able to come out so quickly was because they were able to begin counting mail in ballots ASAP. States like Pennsylvania though had to wait until like 3pm (or some other arbitrary time) not sure off the top of my head on what that was, but still. State legislatures could've changed this prior to the election, but it was denied by the legislatures in Georgia and Pennsylvania to be changed so that's why we had a very SLOW and interesting election night. Instead of just having all of Bidens votes in all at once, it was a slow trickle that people were able to point at and get upset about. |
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“Providing backdoors into people’s messages creates ongoing access for government agencies to everyone’s private messages, without reducing the ability for criminals to send encrypted messages via other covert means on the dark web,” said Walsh.
This is precisely the argument I'd have against what they're trying to do--criminals are not going to stop their activities, and the net result is going to be a decrease in freedom and privacy for everyone with no significant improvement as far as catching criminals. This shit drives me nuts--governments want more and more power in the name of fighting [insert moral panic issue here], and the public takes it in the ass while the criminals find other ways of conducting their nefarious business. I'd like to think something like this would never happen in the US, but I'm not that naive. They've already been caught spying on citizens illegally, so I wouldn't put anything past them. Thanks for posting this, OP. Yup, this really isn't going to help anyone at all. Installing a backdoor, or leaving something open 'only' for the government is an easy way to ensure that hackers and other malicious actors have access to your data. That's the issue with installing a backdoor. It's not about security or anything like that, it's about the fact that if you leave a backdoor for ONE GROUP, that means it's a potential backdoor for EVERYBODY. There's no way to ensure that the only person to use it is the government. Sigh, I hate this. Government has to notice that they DONT need to see everything even if they want to. SIGH SIGH SIGH. |
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Wait, has the GSA declared a winner?
If not you're just a whiner.
I mean we both know why the GSA hasn't declared a winner .... I think you don't know, because you don't understand the process. You'd like Trump to concede. But Hillary never did. So if there is no concession, how exactly do you think the process works? You know that Hillary did call to concede though. She called to concede on November 9th, after media outlets predicted that Donald Trump would end up above the 270 threshold. That means that Hillary conceded the day after election day once it was known that she had lost. I think it's totally fair for Donald Trump to have waited a few days because of the fact that we didn't know who had on won the election on November 9th this year. It took a few days, but at this point there is no legitimate evidence that lines up with everything that Trump and his legal team are claiming. As I said in another thread on here, it would've been MUCH MORE HELPFUL to take the evidence and then use it to make real claims. Not just make up claims and then try to find the evidence to support what you're saying. It's up to Trump to show that there is fraud, it is NOT up to Biden to show that there isn't fraud. That's not how this system works. |
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Lame duck tweet-fires (or kills; the tweet was kinda ambiguous: "Mark Esper has been terminated") defense secretary because reasons: https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/09/politics/trump-fires-esper/index.html
(edit) Donald Lame Duck is rage tweeting about Pfizer vaccine announcement and blaming them for delaying it on purpose to hurt his chances in the election. The @US_FDA and the Democrats didn’t want to have me get a Vaccine WIN, prior to the election, so instead it came out five days later – As I’ve said all along! Pretty sure we were expecting him to begin cleaning house if he won too. There'd been some rumors from Trump admin officials that he was planning on firing the FBI head, CIA head and Sec Defense Esper, which we can now see has come to fruition. I mean it is fair for the President to want loyal people around him to support his vision, totally can't complain about that. You can complain about the fact that he may be only installing yes man to surround him because he just wants blind loyalty instead of people that'll give him fair criticism to his plans. Guess we'll see what the rest of the lame duck session means. I expect a large amount of appointments to different permanent positions to occur before a Biden admin come in. Some may fail like the Fed board nominee Judy Shelton, but that may come back up when the two COVID positive Senators (Grassly and Scott) from the GOP are able to enter the chambers and vote again. But I'm expecting a LOT of these lame duck appointments to termed positions that Biden will be unable to fire them from or to the federal courts which are for life. |
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I think my favorite trend of Harris being picked as Bidens running mate, and now being the VP elect, is that everyone has exposed the fact that Harris is literally just a cop. Like Kamala Harris was known as a law and order prosecutor when she was the DA in San Francisco and then later the AG in California as well. We even had a LONG thread on here about it, pretty sure that Theymos started it, talking about how Harris is just trying to fake the fact that she is progressive because of the fact that she has higher aspirations and is a Senator from CALIFORNIA. Here is my meme contribution:  |
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Well I guess I was right.
It is too bad that RBG did not retire to allow her to enjoy her last year with her family and loved ones.
Horrible to see that she was never really able to focus fully on herself, though I do think that the SC justice job is pretty cushy when you begin to think about it. It's a lifetime appointement which means you have guranteed money coming in for the rest of your life, great benefits, large amount of vacation given that the court is only in session for 9 months and have all of the federal holidays off. Plus the people that are doing most of the administrative work are the clerks that are under you, so it's not like you're grueling through tons of work everyday. Still though, I would've much rather seen her and Scalia retire years ago before their deaths so they would've been able to enjoy the end of their lives with their families. Sucks to work until you drop, unless they really loved it which I guess is the situation given that they could've bucked the parties and resigned whenever as they answer to nobody. https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Supreme_Court/life-supreme-court-cushy-job-justice/story?id=10449434 |
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