This is what we have been talking about being decentralized, the price is decentralized from anything and will be whatever. Uni is used this much or cake is used that much, those things do not matter when it comes to prices, it is bought and sold and that is the only way the price changes.

Definitely cake could be used more and because it's used more the price could go up because people will be buying more, but that doesn't change the fact that we are talking about actual buying and selling as in trading, those people will do whatever they want and even though they are influenced by these things, it doesn't mean that they are connected 100%, like price doesn't go up suddenly if there is a new user, that is why I think it should not be seen this way neither.

It is definitely something to keep in mind, cake is growing bigger, but that doesn't mean that the growth rate has to be equal to how much it's used.

Compound interest and investment are different things. You still made more money than anyone made from investing as well, but what you should compare is buying a stock and holding it or buying gold and holding it, those didn't earn that well during this period neither but if you were smart enough to pick the right stocks you could have made more than compound interest in the banks as well.

Compound interest in banks is something only the people who are not sure about what to invest does, they prefer safety and they do not invest it, they just leave it there to accumulate, they are not after making a profit, they are thinking "well the other option was making zero", because they are not investing it. But you invested into bitcoin, you took a risk, and that risk is zero in compound interest, which is why you deserved more money when that risk paid off.

That depends on what you mean by Bitcoin winning the currency war, if you’re talking about it becoming the main currency that the world will be using that’s not going to be happening but as for becoming an alternate currency that a lot of people will rely, I believe that’s going to happen and it is already happening as there are so many people who are now making use of Bitcoin to send and receive money, though as of recent it has been an issue as the fees that are required to be paid before a transaction is confirmed has become really high and people are considering different other options. So, right now it’s more of an investment.

On what I am sure about is, regardless of how many people will be adopting bitcoin and whether bitcoin will be winning the currency war or not, I believe bitcoin will remain as one of the prominent payment option for its unique feature which means bitcoin will conquer all finance related wars over the time .

Who do you think governments print that money for? It is the same hedge fund managers that got the money and same banks and so forth that got all those printed money. When the world was in danger and economy was crashing governments print money and give it to corporations to continue operating and not bankrupting, while not paying the people a lot of money. Reality is that we have seen about 3.4k or so per person right?

Well, corporations have seen 3 trillion dollars total, I do not know how it was distributed but it could have been nearly 6k per person more money if that money was given to people but governments were afraid business' would go bankrupt and instead of giving it to people they gave it to companies. So, basically bitcoin was created against government that ruined fiat to help hedge funds that fights with wall street bets, all ties together and all are in a war.

There are many of these places in touristic locations, you can find currency exchangers, if you go to Paris there are tons of them around, in many islands of Greece as well because so many people go to their beaches as a vacation as well (unfortunately not for a while due to covid) and in those places, let's say you have dollars, you can change it to euro, or if you have any other money you can change it to euro there and that way you could spend their money and it would help you a lot.

I have done the same, went to Ukraine, they had their own currency, I had dollars, first I exchanged 100 bucks and then when it was getting lower exchanged another 100 bucks and so forth until my vacation was over. This thing we are doing with Fun token right now is basically the perfectly 1 to 1 same thing and that is why I do not think that there is anything shocking about this exchange.

Plus Liverpool is at least still in the champions league and facing Real Madrid right now, that is not a bad way to move forward. Tottenham lost to dinamo zagreb 3-0 in order to get eliminated, that was a shocking result and 9 out of 10 times zagreb fails to win that game that much, but that one time happened and it should be a big wake up call for all Spurs front office and president.

Do not get me wrong Mourinho is definitely a decent manager, he could build the greatest defensive team there is if you give him the right players, but Spurs had so much great attackers that went improperly used and that is why I think this is going to be something different, he just didn't used the players properly. Firing him shouldn't mean that he is a bad manager, it just shows that the team and the manager wasn't perfect fit and the result wasn't good, he could still go somewhere else next year and become even champions, all he needs is a team that fits him.

I think stop loss is an automatic thing, so internet outage or power outage should not mean anything, you put stop loss into the system itself not into your computer or something. It means as long as the website continues, you are free to do whatever you want, if that wasn't the case stop loss wouldn't mean anything while you are asleep or eating or outside doing something basically whatever else you are doing as well and not just during periods when there is an outage.

Reality is that there is stop loss in many exchanges and you end up using that for spending time outside of crypto doing whatever you want without problem and that is how you end up getting better, you can be asleep, you can be doing whatever you want, there is zero worry, why? Because you can do whatever you want but that stop loss is there to protect your money for you.

Well, it happened and what you can do is to just look for other opportunities to buy in again and then start looking ways and hoping that you’re going to be able to recover what you have lost. It is just how this market is, it is volatile and the risk is too much that you an be losing even when you least expected it, so it’s best to just be trying till you get what is right for you.

Stop loss, good thing about it is that you’re not going to be losing so much of your money, you’re going to be able to break the losses from going really further, and then you’re left with the chance of going for the hit again

I think these plans exist for extreme newbies because we all know in crypto trading we just need to analyze coins and invest at the right time. If you are a starter at trading then these offers might be worth a try but they must not be scammers.

They have a demo too so maybe they are confident people will buy the real pack after the demo.

Yeah, if we add the 3 plans, it will cost $100+ which I think one would buy if they like the starter plan. I would rather take that money and start trading myself and learn by making my own mistakes.

Oh well said, and I really like the word "unregulated" because once the markets are being controlled and regulated, stability is attained but the possibility of growth also reduces to a large extent. I laugh at the prospect of a government controlled crypto coin because it is more like banks moving to blockchain but still not accepting decentralization.

Yes but like there are stable coins and even they have a tiny bit of volatility associated with them but it's rather negligible and I am afraid with time and more adoption we will actually lose the volatility aspect of bitcoin completely.

Once the uncertainty or volatility is vacuumed out of the bitcoin market, it just becomes the stock market.

I agree that it is definitely based on a troll number choosing. However lets be honest, we are close to 69k aren't we? I mean we are nearly at 60k right now, and 20th of April is not that far away, just a month later, so people who joked about it actually started to make sense, for the first time ever we are actually quite close to it. If you ask me seriously, I have to say it is quite the possibility that we break over that price for sure, we may not be exactly that number but we could definitely be reach and go pass that price.

Yeah, there is no guarantee in the crypto world but it looks like it is something that we can achieve if we have another bull run, that is why I do not doubt anything that could happen with this situation, I just think that numbers are only picked funnily, we could be above that price before or after the date and be higher or lower during that but it is just possible, that's all I think.

There is also the fact that when they are making money, they will keep holding it and if there is a depression and prices of things go up and markets crash, bitcoin could be still going higher, and that is why they could be investing into bitcoin and not selling it.

Let's assume that something like 2008 happened again, markets crash, stocks go down, gold and oil goes up, there is a big turmoil, there needs to be trillions printed again, who gains profit from this? Bitcoin does, sure stocks will go back up as well but you would be in bitcoin way before and stocks would go down and back up while bitcoin just goes up and up and up, so that is why these companies will keep holding even on the worst days and they are holding on the best days as well, there is no reason for them to end up selling their coins, not right now, maybe if they have a reason to sell individually because of some money need.

Defi will not die, that is not even remotely possible anymore, it is in there and will not go away, this is not like ICO or something where coins are created and sold by the teams with a promise of being higher. Sure there are some stuff like that in defi world as well, many projects that just copy other projects and try to make some money from it as well, but the reality is that many only care about the real projects that people use. How are you going to kill uniswap? Pancakeswap? And many other swaps like that?

Those are good and used because you can trade coins from one place to another, and that is why it will not be going away anytime soon. There is nothing we should be worried about in the defi world because it is not only created but also used a lot, the way it is used is the main reason why it will not be going away anywhere any time soon.

There is nothing wrong with putting a small bit of money into something that you suspect could go up, I personally do not put that much money into new altcoins because even if they look good, others may not believe the same thing you do. You have to realize first days of a coin is not the real value of the coin, it is what people value it for being new and they make crazy moves, after a week you will see the real price of the coin for sure but first 2 days is very crazy.

If everyone agrees that it is a great coin there will be a lot of buys and it will skyrocket but it will go to a price that is so high that people will end up not even believing the price should be that high and even if they like it they will still sell to buy later from lower. If they think it is a bad project they will sell their airdrops and price of a coin will keep dropping the worse it gets.

Who voted for what matters a bit, I agree that it is not the only thing that matters, hell it is not even the main thing, but it matters just a bit. Who voted for what would allow people to realize what people vote for and why they vote for it and when you understand it either you join them or if you disagree you can at least know what people around here thinks and act accordingly and make your decisions based on that. Like I said it is not the only thing that matters, but it wouldn't hurt to know.

I agree with the boxes thing though, these days changing one coin to another is as simple as it gets so I do agree that we should not be worried about any coin choices, any coin would be a good coin if it pays well, that’s why boxes are bought so easily and so quickly, that’s why instead of choice of which coin, people focus on returns and the requirements.

I think it is all about tech, because tech world keeps improving, I can 100% guarantee that if stake or any other website stays the same for more than 3-4 years, they are going to be left behind, and there is a dilemma there as well because whenever a website gets a new design people hate it first and want the old one back and then they get used to it.

I think stake will improve a lot in the future, it can't stay like this, it will have to have a new update in few years (probably in a year or two) and that will be great, and in about 2025-2026 we will have another, and another in 2030 and so forth, that is how business work you can't just stay exactly the same and hope that you will still be liked when there are brand new places with amazing different things getting your customers. However for now stake is doing fine, sportsbet as well, they are at the top currently for sure.

You do realize that we not only didn't reach 45k, but even went up and now above 58k as well right? Guys go check OP's account, his last message was saying bitcoin will be 45k and he didn't message for days since. It is obvious that we should not be considering anything remotely close that level happening anytime soon and it is obvious that OP was a troll as well. Obviously the topic looks like a serious discussion, will we be 45k or will we not fall that much, that is a good topic to discuss, but do not be fooled by trolls and speculators.

I honestly think that there are people out there in the world who buy bitcointalk accounts, buy twitter accounts.. well "rent" them and just make it say that bitcoin will go down, if thousands of people both here and on twitter and other social media places start talking about how bitcoin will go down, people may believe that, do not be fooled that easily.

If that 37k is the right price and you calculated right, that would mean a lot, we would be basically doing a lot better thanks to actually having a decent bottom this time.

I always said that we are in a different situation during this period, people kept talking about how in 2017 we increased a lot and in 2018 we decreased a lot but they are forgetting that we are in a situation where people literally bought bitcoin constantly during the last 6 months, whereas in the 2017 world we weren't over 4k until November and reached 20k just in December, so in 1 month we increased more than 5x and that is why the drop was simple as well since people bought bitcoin a lot cheaper, only a few people bought bitcoin high during that period.

Compare that to today and people bought bitcoin a lot more expensive these days because it has been increasing for a lot of months this time.

The guy has always been a weird one, he was never a normal person, well which normal person ends up building a space rocket and an electric car when no other focused on building one, and even other weird stuff he is doing right now. Those were seen as stuff that made him "revolutionary" but the reality is that he was just a weird guy and has always been one. Go watch any of his interviews and you will see how weird he is as well, it is not like he was ever known for being a regular person.

Crowning himself technoking, and naming his CFO master of coins was one of the most normal things he has ever done, there is nothing that is weird about this considering dude has sent space rockets into space and then landed them back on earth, that seems more weird, even the way he talks looks a bit weird and all the things he has tweeted even before crypto things started was weird as well.

I don't think cryptocurrencies have been added to the education syllabus or anything yet although the blockchain technology might be the future and should be taught sometime soon. A lot of countries are still not ready to legalize Bitcoins which clearly means that they like the blockchain technology but they haven't opened the arms for Bitcoins and other cryptocurrencies yet.

Being neutral is as good as acceptance actually because having a neutral view towards Bitcoins simply means that the people who trade and invest in crypto cannot be penalized in any way while in some countries like India, they are going to even punish users if they are found to hold any kind of cryptocurrencies, which sounded very weird to me but the source wasn't very good either. maybe the decision is still pending there.