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401  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: PotCoin | GROW WITH US | CRITICAL WALLET UPDATE - POSv | on: August 28, 2015, 08:16:09 PM
@barabbas

In case your still not understanding me, here is a link to the discussion where someone from potcoin lets us know that have indeed contacted bittrex and told them what needs done.
https://www.reddit.com/r/potcoin/comments/3iie1b/waiting_on_bittrex/

Here is another one where davidpot, one of the devs let the world know that polo was back up. Did he post that here? No, I don't think he did.
https://www.reddit.com/r/potcoin/comments/3idzis/poloniex_exchange_back_online/

That's precisely the point of my "hostility": It should be posted here first. By the devs.

But the main point of my "hostility" is the obvious lack of foresight on the part of the devs that did nothing, FOR MONTHS, to prevent this incident that now lasts many weeks (and counting) and that is very seriously hurting the coin and the network.

Not to mention the lack of action regarding the concerns, or watever, Bittrex and Cryptsy have. "richiela" has posted very recently that they still have a problem with the wallet and the dev in that linked reddit posted -later- that they have told them what the solution is... which lens anyone reasonable to believe that "the solution" is not actually THE solution.

Apparently something similar is happening at Cryptsy for neither them nor Bittrex gain anything having the wallet down now for what could possibly be a record amount of time on both exchanges and, quite frankly, without any possibility of solution, seemingly, since it would appear that the devs have done everything they are willing to do and the exchanges are, also evidently, not getting anywhere with it.

I would think there's ample reason for hostility, don't you think?

NO, there is not ample reason for hostility. The only reason you would be this angry is if you leveraged your mortgage to buy in hoping to become a millionaire overnight and thats not the way the world works.

Your still not getting it, they are posting it to reddit, there is no reason for them to post it "anywhere" except where they choose. The source of the info doesn't matter, what matters is that they are trying to be more communicative. I missed the galactic memo that states that BCT was where the devs of any coin have to keep the community updated, they could post it on myspace or friendster for all I care.

Do you understand now that the devs have no control over the exchanges? Its the exchanges who stand to lose out by not letting their customers withdraw funds.
In case you missed it, bittrex is coming back up, they are catching up to the chain and should be up and running shortly, with any luck cryptsy will come back online today as well.



We are going to have to agree to disagree. Strongly. Choosing ANY other method of communication, in crypto, is avoiding communication at all. BTCT is where 99% of people come first and foremost. So, avoiding BTCT, purposedly or not, is, de facto, avoiding communication... regardless what you care or care not for.

The damage to the coin project is obvious, again, and to the network even more so, therefore there's absolutely no reason for not having the vias of communication fully open here (along with wherever else they feel their boat is rocked, no need for "exclusivity").

And yes, people who has any reasonably significant amount of money committed to POT and anchored "sine die" in the exchanges, has every reason to be angry and hostile for the reasons expressed above.

Related, but on a different note, Bittrex just started allowing withdrawals. Cryptsy still in limbo.
402  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: PotCoin | GROW WITH US | CRITICAL WALLET UPDATE - POSv | on: August 28, 2015, 07:32:58 PM
@barabbas

In case your still not understanding me, here is a link to the discussion where someone from potcoin lets us know that have indeed contacted bittrex and told them what needs done.
https://www.reddit.com/r/potcoin/comments/3iie1b/waiting_on_bittrex/

Here is another one where davidpot, one of the devs let the world know that polo was back up. Did he post that here? No, I don't think he did.
https://www.reddit.com/r/potcoin/comments/3idzis/poloniex_exchange_back_online/

That's precisely the point of my "hostility": It should be posted here first. By the devs.

But the main point of my "hostility" is the obvious lack of foresight on the part of the devs that did nothing, FOR MONTHS, to prevent this incident that now lasts many weeks (and counting) and that is very seriously hurting the coin and the network.

Not to mention the lack of action regarding the concerns, or watever, Bittrex and Cryptsy have. "richiela" has posted very recently that they still have a problem with the wallet and the dev in that linked reddit posted -later- that they have told them what the solution is... which lens anyone reasonable to believe that "the solution" is not actually THE solution.

Apparently something similar is happening at Cryptsy for neither them nor Bittrex gain anything having the wallet down now for what could possibly be a record amount of time on both exchanges and, quite frankly, without any possibility of solution, seemingly, since it would appear that the devs have done everything they are willing to do and the exchanges are, also evidently, not getting anywhere with it.

I would think there's ample reason for hostility, don't you think?
403  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: PotCoin | GROW WITH US | CRITICAL WALLET UPDATE - POSv | on: August 28, 2015, 05:32:00 PM
It is so futile to use reddit or ANY other means, besides this one, since only a very, very, extremely very few, reads any of it.... That would be number one. But even more importantly, what the fuck is going on with the inability to withdraw from the main exchanges? It's been MANY weeks and still no solution in sight? This is simply outrageous... Is the main developer going to answer this question and offer some kind of plausible explanation and, perhaps, a detailed what is being done to solve this of just continue avoiding it altogether?

This is a very interesting project going -was- in the right direction with the adoption of POSv... which is quickly becoming just another POS ... in the traditional meaning of the nomenclature...

Reddit is where the devs are posting, NOT here. If you had kept up on reddit you would know whats going on with the exchanges, you would know that poloniex is back on, bittrex is waiting for the upgrade error to go away and cryptsy, who the fuck knows. As far as I know there are other exchanges to buy/sell, your not stuck with only the top 3.

As far as pot becoming just another pos coin, I have to disagree on that one. The move to POSv2.0 was a smart one, despite the overall rate being 5-6%, the individual stake rate is looking to be about 15% while most coins are not staking. POSv2.0 splits the 5-6% of the total supply among the actively staking coins, the fewer coins active, the higher the stake rate for the coins that are.


TLDR; Reddit is the place to interact with the devs, we are waiting for cryptsy and bitt to get off their ass and the stake rate will likely always be higher than 5-6%, I estimate we bottom out and start averaging 7-8% minimum.

PoS was meant to mean Piece of Shit... it seems you did not get it.

Other than that, I am probably thje staunchest supporter of PoSv in Pot Coin. Problem is that AGES continue going by, and the shit doesn't work because no one can stake since a huge portion of coins is stuck in the main exchanges and no one can withdraw them. This is just unthinkable. And even more so the no-explanation that has transpired either here -where EVERYONE is- of anywhere else, like reddit where half a dozen people or so visits. Devs should post where people go to know, which is HERE.

Then again, they should also come with ANTICIPATED solutions to clear to see problems, like this horrible transition but...

Yes, I did get what you meant by POS. Did you not understand what "I disagree" means? It means I think your wrong. Where is this hostility coming from?
POTcoin is one of those times where you can either take a risk and be part of the revolution or lose big time, OR you can do nothing and be able to gloat if it crashes but be kicking yourself for not investing.

I will repeat, reddit IS where the discussion is happening. Maybe you haven't noticed but when someone from potlabs posts here they link to a reddit post. What does that tell you? Answer: The devs are active on reddit and not here. I will also repeat, its not the devs fault that cryptsy and bitt are being slow with bringing the wallet back online, they don't work for nor do they have any influence on how fast they get their wallets synced and back online. Bittrex should be up soon, they were told by the devs to resync from scratch to get rid of the upgrade error, that should have taken them a day or 2 so they should be back online sometime soon. As for cryptsy, who the hell knows, what I do know is that it is in the exchanges best interest to bring those wallets back online so that people can deposit/withdraw/trade and the exchanges can make their profit.

TLDR; Please calm the hell down and go smoke a bowl. Being angry with the world won't make things go the way you want them, you need to learn which battles to fight and which ones to just let go.


I understand "I disagree" fine. When stated. Point being that what is the disagreement? You seem to state that the impossibility of withdraw from bittrex and cryptsy is entirely the fault of bittrex and cryptsy and my point is -and hence the "hostility"- that it is not so and the the devs are significantly -if not totally- responsible for such a terrible, terrible situation. They knew what was potentially happening for months. They did nothing to clear things out for a seamless transition with bittrex and cryptsy, thus provoking this "limbo"-kind of situation that is extremely negative for POT, both on the market side and the network side. AND, to make things much worse, they don't say anything about the progress (Huh??) of contacts with both exchanges to solve the situation.

And, again, it is HERE, a BTCTalk that people come for info, not to reedit or anywhere else. HERE. You bet I am quite hostile, as any significant holder of this coin should be, with this perfectly preventable absurd situation.
404  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: PotCoin | GROW WITH US | CRITICAL WALLET UPDATE - POSv | on: August 28, 2015, 03:07:57 AM
It is so futile to use reddit or ANY other means, besides this one, since only a very, very, extremely very few, reads any of it.... That would be number one. But even more importantly, what the fuck is going on with the inability to withdraw from the main exchanges? It's been MANY weeks and still no solution in sight? This is simply outrageous... Is the main developer going to answer this question and offer some kind of plausible explanation and, perhaps, a detailed what is being done to solve this of just continue avoiding it altogether?

This is a very interesting project going -was- in the right direction with the adoption of POSv... which is quickly becoming just another POS ... in the traditional meaning of the nomenclature...

Reddit is where the devs are posting, NOT here. If you had kept up on reddit you would know whats going on with the exchanges, you would know that poloniex is back on, bittrex is waiting for the upgrade error to go away and cryptsy, who the fuck knows. As far as I know there are other exchanges to buy/sell, your not stuck with only the top 3.

As far as pot becoming just another pos coin, I have to disagree on that one. The move to POSv2.0 was a smart one, despite the overall rate being 5-6%, the individual stake rate is looking to be about 15% while most coins are not staking. POSv2.0 splits the 5-6% of the total supply among the actively staking coins, the fewer coins active, the higher the stake rate for the coins that are.


TLDR; Reddit is the place to interact with the devs, we are waiting for cryptsy and bitt to get off their ass and the stake rate will likely always be higher than 5-6%, I estimate we bottom out and start averaging 7-8% minimum.

PoS was meant to mean Piece of Shit... it seems you did not get it.

Other than that, I am probably thje staunchest supporter of PoSv in Pot Coin. Problem is that AGES continue going by, and the shit doesn't work because no one can stake since a huge portion of coins is stuck in the main exchanges and no one can withdraw them. This is just unthinkable. And even more so the no-explanation that has transpired either here -where EVERYONE is- of anywhere else, like reddit where half a dozen people or so visits. Devs should post where people go to know, which is HERE.

Then again, they should also come with ANTICIPATED solutions to clear to see problems, like this horrible transition but...

Yes, I did get what you meant by POS. Did you not understand what "I disagree" means? It means I think your wrong. Where is this hostility coming from?
POTcoin is one of those times where you can either take a risk and be part of the revolution or lose big time, OR you can do nothing and be able to gloat if it crashes but be kicking yourself for not investing.

I will repeat, reddit IS where the discussion is happening. Maybe you haven't noticed but when someone from potlabs posts here they link to a reddit post. What does that tell you? Answer: The devs are active on reddit and not here. I will also repeat, its not the devs fault that cryptsy and bitt are being slow with bringing the wallet back online, they don't work for nor do they have any influence on how fast they get their wallets synced and back online. Bittrex should be up soon, they were told by the devs to resync from scratch to get rid of the upgrade error, that should have taken them a day or 2 so they should be back online sometime soon. As for cryptsy, who the hell knows, what I do know is that it is in the exchanges best interest to bring those wallets back online so that people can deposit/withdraw/trade and the exchanges can make their profit.

TLDR; Please calm the hell down and go smoke a bowl. Being angry with the world won't make things go the way you want them, you need to learn which battles to fight and which ones to just let go.


I understand what "disagree" means, when it is written, not before. Especially when I believe we are all in agreement and, somehow, looking for a solution. That the Potlabs people may choose to post in reddit rather than here is just an exercise in absurdity for, again, extremely few people goes there so it is a BIG MISTAKE
405  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: PotCoin | GROW WITH US | CRITICAL WALLET UPDATE - POSv | on: August 28, 2015, 12:19:23 AM
It is so futile to use reddit or ANY other means, besides this one, since only a very, very, extremely very few, reads any of it.... That would be number one. But even more importantly, what the fuck is going on with the inability to withdraw from the main exchanges? It's been MANY weeks and still no solution in sight? This is simply outrageous... Is the main developer going to answer this question and offer some kind of plausible explanation and, perhaps, a detailed what is being done to solve this of just continue avoiding it altogether?

This is a very interesting project going -was- in the right direction with the adoption of POSv... which is quickly becoming just another POS ... in the traditional meaning of the nomenclature...

Reddit is where the devs are posting, NOT here. If you had kept up on reddit you would know whats going on with the exchanges, you would know that poloniex is back on, bittrex is waiting for the upgrade error to go away and cryptsy, who the fuck knows. As far as I know there are other exchanges to buy/sell, your not stuck with only the top 3.

As far as pot becoming just another pos coin, I have to disagree on that one. The move to POSv2.0 was a smart one, despite the overall rate being 5-6%, the individual stake rate is looking to be about 15% while most coins are not staking. POSv2.0 splits the 5-6% of the total supply among the actively staking coins, the fewer coins active, the higher the stake rate for the coins that are.


TLDR; Reddit is the place to interact with the devs, we are waiting for cryptsy and bitt to get off their ass and the stake rate will likely always be higher than 5-6%, I estimate we bottom out and start averaging 7-8% minimum.

PoS was meant to mean Piece of Shit... it seems you did not get it.

Other than that, I am probably thje staunchest supporter of PoSv in Pot Coin. Problem is that AGES continue going by, and the shit doesn't work because no one can stake since a huge portion of coins is stuck in the main exchanges and no one can withdraw them. This is just unthinkable. And even more so the no-explanation that has transpired either here -where EVERYONE is- of anywhere else, like reddit where half a dozen people or so visits. Devs should post where people go to know, which is HERE.

Then again, they should also come with ANTICIPATED solutions to clear to see problems, like this horrible transition but...
406  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: PotCoin | GROW WITH US | CRITICAL WALLET UPDATE - POSv | on: August 27, 2015, 09:54:49 PM
It is so futile to use reddit or ANY other means, besides this one, since only a very, very, extremely very few, reads any of it.... That would be number one. But even more importantly, what the fuck is going on with the inability to withdraw from the main exchanges? It's been MANY weeks and still no solution in sight? This is simply outrageous... Is the main developer going to answer this question and offer some kind of plausible explanation and, perhaps, a detailed what is being done to solve this of just continue avoiding it altogether?

This is a very interesting project going -was- in the right direction with the adoption of POSv... which is quickly becoming just another POS ... in the traditional meaning of the nomenclature...
407  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] MangoCoinz Official ANN Thread - Mine cryptocurrencies on you smart phone on: August 26, 2015, 02:57:30 AM
Putting aside the validity of the assumption that dividing a piece of object/property into smaller pieces may or may not be appealing or more affordable for people to buy, own or use, thus likely getting better value or prices over the short-term or long-term,

why on this earth, on this cryptos world, is it absurd to split or reverse-split a stock? For whatever purpose. A stock or an equity is clearly indefinitely dividable into mini-shares-why don't you just divide them to sell them. Then, why an equity split happens all the times in this world. There are reasons.

A crypto is different?

We are not talking about feeding the monkeys, pandas, feeding the poor or sell Sears or Macy coupons.

Mangocoinz is of the people, by the people and for the people; therefore, the opinion of quite a sizable proportion of MCZ miners, owners, users or investors alike are important to us.  Cheesy

For just this once I will lecture you in the subjects that you raise, since it is evident that you cannot be convinced no matter the amount of logical reason. Just this once:

1.- There's absolutely no correlation between crypto and any short of shares or stock markets. If nothing else -and there's PLENTY else-, for the simple reason that those markets are strictly regulated and crypto is not.

2.- The "whatever purpose" is a bit more complex than you think. You "divide them to sell them" is something that applies to some "expensive" stocks to a significant point: When you purchase (or sell) derivatives, those are packaged in lots of 100, therefore one needs to have quite a bit of cash invested to have, for instance, 100 shares of Google to be able to sell, for instance, covered calls. I'm sure you'll (eventually) get it...

3.- Mangocoinz is NOT "of the people, by the people and for the people". The common place is not only quite idiotic but completely out of place in this example since Mangocoinz belongs -more so than any other crypto-, to the people (the three devs) that control every aspect of it. There's absolutely nothing "democratic" about Mangocoinz. It's centralized and the three devs who created and control it can do with it whatever they choose to do. And, by the way, they did not create it "for the people" either, but for the people... who shakes their smart phones, who are the only ones that get it for free.

So, among many other opinions, yours are 100% wrong. On every single aspect. THAT, under normal circumstances, should prompt you to some reflection and re-evaluation... but I have the pretty solid idea that it isn't going to happen and, instead, we will all e "treated" to another barrage of idiotic ideas and visually unappealing fonts to go withy them.

I had to try it though. Just this once.
408  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] MangoCoinz Official ANN Thread - Mine cryptocurrencies on you smart phone on: August 25, 2015, 07:46:25 PM
The idea of having more coins is a new kind of absurdity that I am pretty sure the devs will not even remotely consider. It's just raw, pure idiocy.

The idea of taking Mangocoinz to bigger exchanges is equally absurd at this point, although not close to the same level of idiotic.

First, the application needs to be fixed and out of BETA. Working with limits in number, like before, but not limits in time: 7 a day anyway you like to "mine" it. Like it was before. It was working right, people in general liked it, why change something that is working??? Absurd...

The time for bigger exchanges will come in due time. There's no reason to rush into it and much less paying for it.

I have said it a million times before and I repeat it: Fix the application (among other things to avoid being "gamed"), leave it as it was before the absurdity of the "update" AND, way high in priority, develop a mid-to-long term PLAN. The bigger exchanges thing will come when the project is ready.
409  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: PotCoin | GROW WITH US | CRITICAL WALLET UPDATE - POSv | on: August 25, 2015, 07:32:11 PM
they need 260 confirmations to mature. then u can stake again.

Not exactly. The 260 confirmations is the # needed before those coins are spendable. The min coin age for staking is 8hours, I am still unsure whether that 8 hours is based on confirmations or on actual time since that tx was created, I am leaning towards time based seeing as we are averaging only 500 or so blocks/day.

Strange, since I have my staking coins for months on that wallet. And those coins are shown to be on the staking line, and on the balance I have or is shown what I got over night.

Yesterday I had like a 75 weight. Now Its been climbing up a LOT.

I don't know about the so called weight... I have less than ONE (1, specifically 0.85160....) Potcoin staking and the wallet says my "average weight" is 19...
410  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: PotCoin | GROW WITH US | CRITICAL WALLET UPDATE - POSv | on: August 25, 2015, 07:26:28 PM
I couldn't agree more. And I have experienced staking in Cryptsy _and I seem to remember also in Bittrex, but I could be wrong-, months ago. Not in recent times, that's for sure. Even if they test the wallet, as long as it produces stakes, they should distribute it to the rightful owners. Mayve thyey do. But what is important is to PROVE that they have done it. Can you do that?

Tracking it? I would think that if they did distribute it, it would have its own designation in the logs.
The last time I ever thought about this or dealt with it was when RDD was transitioning to POSv and someone from cryptsy came into RDDs subreddit to discuss it, they made it clear that they don't actively stake. You can verify if an exchange is or isn't staking by watching the explorers, so there is no reason for them to BS on that point.

I am pretty sure Cryptsy has not distributed any POT stakes in a while, if ever. But in order to claim that they have staked it and kept the proceeds, proof is necessary... in the form of tracking it, screen caps, whatever it is irrefutable proof...
411  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: PotCoin | GROW WITH US | CRITICAL WALLET UPDATE - POSv | on: August 25, 2015, 07:13:03 PM
So you don't have enough wallets staking and yet you cannot pull the coins from either Cryptsy of Bittrex because the wallets there are disabled... quiet a situation I would say. Simply amazing.

Indeed... Cryptsy did recently stake a bunch of blocks so hopefully they at least will be coming back online soon, bittrex is waiting for the error to go away which should as soon there are enough upgraded wallets/nodes online to outweigh the old ones. I have no idea whats up with polo.

Polo is back online now.

Polo is back online but bittrex and cryptsy remain disabled?



We know that bittrex won't come back for awhile, not until the old nodes/wallet error goes away. Cryptsy likely just taking their sweet time, we know they have the upgrade wallet up and running because I watched them stake a TON of coins not long ago.

So they are staking and not giving the stakes to the owners of the coins?
The way I understand it exchanges do NOT actively stake, they only stake when they need to bring coins online to move from cold to hot wallets, this stake could have been them being greedy or just them testing the wallet before they bring it online. In short, exchanges staking is a "whoops" kind of thing, unintentional but expected to happen when they need to move coins around. I am not sure if cryptsy does share the staked coins with those holding that coin in their balance, this would be a reason why we need regulation and oversight on the exchanges. Not to prevent them from staking either actively or when it has to happen, but for them to treat crypto coins like fx brokers do currencies that pay or take interest for holding that position, if I hold a balance of a POS coin, I should get an equal piece of whatever gets staked by that exchange regardless of the infrequency of the staking.

I couldn't agree more. And I have experienced staking in Cryptsy _and I seem to remember also in Bittrex, but I could be wrong-, months ago. Not in recent times, that's for sure. Even if they test the wallet, as long as it produces stakes, they should distribute it to the rightful owners. Mayve thyey do. But what is important is to PROVE that they have done it. Can you do that?
412  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: PotCoin | GROW WITH US | CRITICAL WALLET UPDATE - POSv | on: August 25, 2015, 07:04:09 PM
So you don't have enough wallets staking and yet you cannot pull the coins from either Cryptsy of Bittrex because the wallets there are disabled... quiet a situation I would say. Simply amazing.

Indeed... Cryptsy did recently stake a bunch of blocks so hopefully they at least will be coming back online soon, bittrex is waiting for the error to go away which should as soon there are enough upgraded wallets/nodes online to outweigh the old ones. I have no idea whats up with polo.

Polo is back online now.

Polo is back online but bittrex and cryptsy remain disabled?



We know that bittrex won't come back for awhile, not until the old nodes/wallet error goes away. Cryptsy likely just taking their sweet time, we know they have the upgrade wallet up and running because I watched them stake a TON of coins not long ago.

So they are staking and not giving the stakes to the owners of the coins? Can you prove they have staked?

413  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: PotCoin | GROW WITH US | CRITICAL WALLET UPDATE - POSv | on: August 25, 2015, 06:40:31 PM
So you don't have enough wallets staking and yet you cannot pull the coins from either Cryptsy of Bittrex because the wallets there are disabled... quiet a situation I would say. Simply amazing.

Indeed... Cryptsy did recently stake a bunch of blocks so hopefully they at least will be coming back online soon, bittrex is waiting for the error to go away which should as soon there are enough upgraded wallets/nodes online to outweigh the old ones. I have no idea whats up with polo.

Polo is back online now.

Polo is back online but bittrex and cryptsy remain disabled?

414  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: PotCoin | GROW WITH US | CRITICAL WALLET UPDATE - POSv | on: August 25, 2015, 06:06:30 PM
So you don't have enough wallets staking and yet you cannot pull the coins from either Cryptsy of Bittrex because the wallets there are disabled... quiet a situation I would say. Simply amazing.
415  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [AXIOM] AxiomMemHash, Schnorr Sigs Implemented, APOS 3.0, AXH 2.0 Proposed on: August 10, 2015, 08:08:53 PM
Unfortunately with crypto it is a matter of damned if you do and damned if you dont for a dev. If a dev does not make a post, fudders take advantage of that and post that the dev has disappeared and is a scammer. If a dev does make a post then fudders take advantage of that and try to take apart the dev based on his post. The only certainty in crypto these days is fud.

This applies if you are only one person... two or more people can do work simultaneously, meaning one may post, the others can work.

No, even for teams. If no-one on a team posts the team then gets fudded for not posting. If someone on the team posts he will get fudded for whatever he posted.

Well, yeah - but often, dedicated people who KNOW not to say stupid shit are used to do posting, in order to avoid this.

Yes, if you have a skilled spokesperson that knows what to say. Almost like politics Smiley

I abhor politics, but I see the need. So many people are ignorant and hateful of people they think are too far from "normal" - causing them to hate a project/product/service. Many people are also just outright stupid and believe damned near anything, so get taken advantage of by people spreading FUD. Politics is what happens when those people might be distasteful, but goddamn it, they're useful to you.

Once again, you are wrong. Seriously wrong, probably worse. People don't get taken "advantage of" by those you so absurdly call "fudsters"; they are taken ADVANTAGE OF by SCAMMERS AND/OR INCOMPETENTS. Always, no exceptions, devs.

Hopefully you NOW start to get it...
416  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [AXIOM] AxiomMemHash, Schnorr Sigs Implemented, APOS 3.0, AXH 2.0 Proposed on: August 10, 2015, 07:58:42 PM
Unfortunately with crypto it is a matter of damned if you do and damned if you dont for a dev. If a dev does not make a post, fudders take advantage of that and post that the dev has disappeared and is a scammer. If a dev does make a post then fudders take advantage of that and try to take apart the dev based on his post. The only certainty in crypto these days is fud.

This applies if you are only one person... two or more people can do work simultaneously, meaning one may post, the others can work.

No, even for teams. If no-one on a team posts the team then gets fudded for not posting. If someone on the team posts he will get fudded for whatever he posted.

Work? who the heck is working here? Or anywhere in crypto, really?

The whole concept of "working" is skewed to extremes here. Working is selling insurance door to door 8 hours a day 5 days a week and then on weekends for the presentations. Working is building stuff 9 or more hours a day, in plain sun. Or fixing cars. Or answering phones. Or doing 25 things at the same time in an office for 10 hours straight without stopping for lunch. What these assholes do, WHEN THEY DO IT, is coding and testing for a couple of hours, on their leisure time. And, oh yeah, have plenty of "meetings" with the rest of the "team": The one that doesn't know how to do anything -but brings the "stuff"- and the one who designs logos with Logocreator. THAT's what you are dealing with, mostly, here alright?
417  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [AXIOM] AxiomMemHash, Schnorr Sigs Implemented, APOS 3.0, AXH 2.0 Proposed on: August 10, 2015, 06:26:27 PM
Unfortunately with crypto it is a matter of damned if you do and damned if you dont for a dev. If a dev does not make a post, fudders take advantage of that and post that the dev has disappeared and is a scammer. If a dev does make a post then fudders take advantage of that and try to take apart the dev based on his post. The only certainty in crypto these days is fud.

If a dev decides to make a post he needs a thesaurus, dictionary, linguist, elocutionist and a tech manual because every word will be analysed and taken apart. I am a strong believer of less is more and wise men speak because they have something to say - fools because they have to say something (Plato). Fools and scammers will try to say as much nonsense, empty promises  and impossible things as they can to cause hype and to make a quick profit. Scammers are after the low hanging fruit. I am thinking more and more that it is best for devs to stay quiet and only speak or post when there is something useful to be said. In the last case the worst that can happen is the fudders fud the price down and when something useful is posted eventually, then the price goes up again quickly and the fudders say ****!, ****! I sold at such and such a low price.

The dev could be a scammer which would be very disappointing, but then he would have been long gone after taking his profit and be already posting under a new name. On the other hand the answer can be as simple as that the dev is working on solutions and will go to market when the solution is finished being coded and tested and perhaps there are also production issues as per the IRC quote becuause nothing in life is perfect. It is an interesting and noble field to try and code something to be GPU resistant because if that can be done with a great level of success it could mean a more equal processing of POW blocks for a greater number of people by using CPUs. The dev probably made an unfortunate choice of words and was over-confident when he launched the coin to use absolute words like "foolproof" instead of using a more tempered "resistant". Sometimes the best tests are conducted under real life conditions where there are people that actually test the assumptions and break it. Sometimes it takes 2 or 3 or more attempts and adjustments to get a theory right. Ill be watching to see what the dev comes up with in his research in this field and if he gets it right it would be a valuable contribution to the crypto body of knowledge.

I could be wrong of course, and perhaps naive, but maybe the dev is following the second option. If the dev is in fact just keeping quiet until there is something to deliver, he is wise and following the approach that I would recommend for alt-coins currently.

Naive you are. And incredibly wrong, to boot.

I for one, who am not know to give much space to incompetent and scammers, had given this project the (short) benefit of the doubt, for the ENTIRE week in which THEY -I repeat, THEY- themselves had promised, publicly, that they would do, among other things, release a paper on POS 3.0, a website, a time line and a solution to the GPU problem. I contacted them and told them that the entire project was hanging on that promise. I posted here accordingly, and kept the time clock every day emphasizing just how important it was, how much was on the line... to no avail. Now, if we believe this guy who posts here -which is quite a stretch-, what we have here is total incompetence to write, even a simple cover of a website, to copy/paste a wordpress decent website -the one poster here is an embarrassment-, and a "main dev" who doesn't give a flying fuck about this project and more probably than not, doesn't have any answers relating to the GPU problem.

Conclusion: A clusterfuck.
418  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [AXIOM] AxiomMemHash, Schnorr Sigs Implemented, APOS 3.0, AXH 2.0 Proposed on: August 10, 2015, 05:26:13 AM
Another expensive lesson: It's a clusterfuck.

No longer on the fence. It's a clusterfuck. There's no project. There's no development. There's no commitment. There's no dedicated dev or devs. There's NOTHING but a clusterfuck. Those who believed in this project... even those who were on the fence... Fucked. A clusterfuck. These idiots not only don't have any money, not even dimes, they don't know how to solve the GPU "problem" and, worst of all, they are not even skilled scammers, just plain loser idiots unable to write a blog; unable to copy paste a damned wordpress website; unable to elaborate some kind of an excuse for not delivering what they themselves volunteered, stupidly, a week ago... Just plain, incompetent idiots that wouldn't even bother to try to counter the fudsters. They where, instead, "enjoying the weekend", just like the previous one... because they are so stupid, such fucking losers, they cannot come even with the most minimal pretense to try and hold the price from panic selling: A clusterfuck.

There's no POS 3.0 (this guys wouldn't be able to code one, even copy/pasting it.) These are, again, incompetent idiots with no money whatsoever, even if they scammed their way to some minor sales of their hurriedly mined coins.

This project is worthless.

A clusterfuck.

That's a bit harsh. . Give them some time or just sell and move on..

Time? For what exactly?
419  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [AXIOM] AxiomMemHash, Schnorr Sigs Implemented, APOS 3.0, AXH 2.0 Proposed on: August 10, 2015, 04:04:01 AM
If they updated on monday last week what makes you think it would be any different this week though, not saying you are wrong about dev being mia, but just saying

That they volunteered -no one asked them to so it, no one forced them to do it, no one pressured them to do it...) they, actually volunteered that a bunch of things, including those mentioned in my post, would be done/announced on the week that is about to expire. I personally have made sure they were fully aware of what it was at stake here. "Just saying" is meaningless drivel, by the way.
420  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [AXIOM] AxiomMemHash, Schnorr Sigs Implemented, APOS 3.0, AXH 2.0 Proposed on: August 10, 2015, 03:52:22 AM
Another expensive lesson: It's a clusterfuck.

No longer on the fence. It's a clusterfuck. There's no project. There's no development. There's no commitment. There's no dedicated dev or devs. There's NOTHING but a clusterfuck. Those who believed in this project... even those who were on the fence... Fucked. A clusterfuck. These idiots not only don't have any money, not even dimes, they don't know how to solve the GPU "problem" and, worst of all, they are not even skilled scammers, just plain loser idiots unable to write a blog; unable to copy paste a damned wordpress website; unable to elaborate some kind of an excuse for not delivering what they themselves volunteered, stupidly, a week ago... Just plain, incompetent idiots that wouldn't even bother to try to counter the fudsters. They where, instead, "enjoying the weekend", just like the previous one... because they are so stupid, such fucking losers, they cannot come even with the most minimal pretense to try and hold the price from panic selling: A clusterfuck.

There's no POS 3.0 (this guys wouldn't be able to code one, even copy/pasting it.) These are, again, incompetent idiots with no money whatsoever, even if they scammed their way to some minor sales of their hurriedly mined coins.

This project is worthless.

A clusterfuck.
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