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1161  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Viorcoin | Voice & Video Call | Cheap International Calls on: January 09, 2015, 05:16:55 PM
Nice entry price on vior.

Possibly. But the same was said 30% above the current one. And 20%. And 10%...
It just depends on what you think, this coin can perform into.
I personally think that if the gateaway works and real users start using it, it can be a top 25 coin

I agree. But those two "ifs" are rather substantial, aren't they? Lets assume the getaway works well, still the mother lode will be IF "real users start using it".
Why would they? Can you give me a compelling reason or two as to why would "regular users" use it, instead of the systems they are already familiar with such as google and facebook. And how exactly are they even going to know about this thing that offers them basically the same thing, but they and their counterparts, have to download a "wallet" (what? say they...) on their computers... Maybe there's a multimillion promotional campaign with TV ads and walls worldwide I am not aware of in the works, otherwise how exactly are they going to find out about it.

You do know "real people" really don't visit these forums, right?

Well this is not as facebook, in the op is explained who the gateaway will work.
I use "if", im not an oracle to tell you that were will be hundreds or thousands of users, or even 0. I dont know that. As i understand from what you are saying, you dont see the real world usages it will bring.
Getting real worlds users will need a pr campaign, i know that they dont read these forums. With a good pr campaign it will get real users.
You should compare this with skype credit calls, to get in the right direction

Why not the regular Skype, that is completely free? Or the many other services that provide video calls for free ---and will continue to do so, ever more frequently, ever with more quality and ever more for free, since they are ad-sponsored and part of bigger social networks?

Those providers are established and used 24/7 by BILLIONS of people across the planet. Now, PR or no PR, how are you going to get "regular people" to download a wallet (the whole concept would make them run for the exits from the get go), on BOTH ENDS, so people can use these service (for pay)? Is this really the basis for the future success of Viorcoin? Really?

skype isnt completely free. thats why you purchase skype credits. you pay for international calls.

That is simply not true. I use it every week, from 10,000 kilometers away, and pay nothing. 3-4 hours of excellent video calls. What are you talking about?

SKYPE TO SKYPE IS FREE SAME WITH VIOR
SKYPE TO INTERNATIONAL NUMBERS ARE NOT
https://support.skype.com/en/faq/FA571/what-can-i-use-skype-credit-for

BURN

And who has said otherwise?  Burn more.

What is the advantage of Vior, that is the (only) question... Oh wait, it is going to be much better, right?

privacy mate. who would want skype if you government can watch. imagine video calling your girlfriend with a possibility of the government watching.
what was the advantage of btc over usd? why has it gained so much value?

im not saying it is going to be better than skype im not that type of crypto looks beyond things. im not even hoping to beat skype or any other messaging app.
im not speculating this coin will be worth 600 or a thousand like others.

i just see this as a good investment. i dont care how much it reaches but i believe i will gain profit long term. dont know if 200 300 400 percent but i definitely believe this coin will reach a dollar each

Now you are talking!

Truly, although they may say otherwise, no one gives a flying fuck about the calls. It's all about the price. Finally we are talking common sense, not absurd pipe dreams.

And in that, all I can tell you for sure, is that VIOR is yet another instance of musical chairs, like every other alt out there. If you are playing, keep your butt as close to the chairs as you can... or you will find yourself holding the bag. I guarantee that.
1162  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Viorcoin | Voice & Video Call | Cheap International Calls on: January 09, 2015, 05:10:06 PM


Compare it with skype credit calls, thats the main purpose. If you just compare it with skype there is no advantage.
There are people that uses skype for international calls to phone numbers.
Thats the point you should use to see the advantages vior will offer rather than other services like skype

And those advantages are... going to be... which?
1163  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Viorcoin | Voice & Video Call | Cheap International Calls on: January 09, 2015, 05:08:51 PM
Nice entry price on vior.

Possibly. But the same was said 30% above the current one. And 20%. And 10%...
It just depends on what you think, this coin can perform into.
I personally think that if the gateaway works and real users start using it, it can be a top 25 coin

I agree. But those two "ifs" are rather substantial, aren't they? Lets assume the getaway works well, still the mother lode will be IF "real users start using it".
Why would they? Can you give me a compelling reason or two as to why would "regular users" use it, instead of the systems they are already familiar with such as google and facebook. And how exactly are they even going to know about this thing that offers them basically the same thing, but they and their counterparts, have to download a "wallet" (what? say they...) on their computers... Maybe there's a multimillion promotional campaign with TV ads and walls worldwide I am not aware of in the works, otherwise how exactly are they going to find out about it.

You do know "real people" really don't visit these forums, right?

Well this is not as facebook, in the op is explained who the gateaway will work.
I use "if", im not an oracle to tell you that were will be hundreds or thousands of users, or even 0. I dont know that. As i understand from what you are saying, you dont see the real world usages it will bring.
Getting real worlds users will need a pr campaign, i know that they dont read these forums. With a good pr campaign it will get real users.
You should compare this with skype credit calls, to get in the right direction

Why not the regular Skype, that is completely free? Or the many other services that provide video calls for free ---and will continue to do so, ever more frequently, ever with more quality and ever more for free, since they are ad-sponsored and part of bigger social networks?

Those providers are established and used 24/7 by BILLIONS of people across the planet. Now, PR or no PR, how are you going to get "regular people" to download a wallet (the whole concept would make them run for the exits from the get go), on BOTH ENDS, so people can use these service (for pay)? Is this really the basis for the future success of Viorcoin? Really?

skype isnt completely free. thats why you purchase skype credits. you pay for international calls.

That is simply not true. I use it every week, from 10,000 kilometers away, and pay nothing. 3-4 hours of excellent video calls. What are you talking about?

SKYPE TO SKYPE IS FREE SAME WITH VIOR
SKYPE TO INTERNATIONAL NUMBERS ARE NOT
https://support.skype.com/en/faq/FA571/what-can-i-use-skype-credit-for

BURN

And who has said otherwise?  Burn more.

What is the advantage of Vior, that is the (only) question... Oh wait, it is going to be much better, right?
1164  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Viorcoin | Voice & Video Call | Cheap International Calls on: January 09, 2015, 05:07:05 PM
do you think wechat would have become wechat if they thought of that? same with viber and other messaging app
even facebook wont be facebook if facebook thought why would users transfer from friendster to facebook
or if twitter thought who would want to tweet if they can post a status in facebook?

There were many others that hit the dust (and spent billions of dollars in the fight --- which I understand Vior doesn't have?0. You may have a vague memory -although still around somehow- of things such as MySpace or even LinkedIn...
1165  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Viorcoin | Voice & Video Call | Cheap International Calls on: January 09, 2015, 05:04:22 PM
Nice entry price on vior.

Possibly. But the same was said 30% above the current one. And 20%. And 10%...
It just depends on what you think, this coin can perform into.
I personally think that if the gateaway works and real users start using it, it can be a top 25 coin

I agree. But those two "ifs" are rather substantial, aren't they? Lets assume the getaway works well, still the mother lode will be IF "real users start using it".
Why would they? Can you give me a compelling reason or two as to why would "regular users" use it, instead of the systems they are already familiar with such as google and facebook. And how exactly are they even going to know about this thing that offers them basically the same thing, but they and their counterparts, have to download a "wallet" (what? say they...) on their computers... Maybe there's a multimillion promotional campaign with TV ads and walls worldwide I am not aware of in the works, otherwise how exactly are they going to find out about it.

You do know "real people" really don't visit these forums, right?

Well this is not as facebook, in the op is explained who the gateaway will work.
I use "if", im not an oracle to tell you that were will be hundreds or thousands of users, or even 0. I dont know that. As i understand from what you are saying, you dont see the real world usages it will bring.
Getting real worlds users will need a pr campaign, i know that they dont read these forums. With a good pr campaign it will get real users.
You should compare this with skype credit calls, to get in the right direction

Why not the regular Skype, that is completely free? Or the many other services that provide video calls for free ---and will continue to do so, ever more frequently, ever with more quality and ever more for free, since they are ad-sponsored and part of bigger social networks?

Those providers are established and used 24/7 by BILLIONS of people across the planet. Now, PR or no PR, how are you going to get "regular people" to download a wallet (the whole concept would make them run for the exits from the get go), on BOTH ENDS, so people can use these service (for pay)? Is this really the basis for the future success of Viorcoin? Really?

skype isnt completely free. thats why you purchase skype credits. you pay for international calls.

That is simply not true. I use it every week, from 10,000 kilometers away, and pay nothing. 3-4 hours of excellent video calls. What are you talking about?
1166  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Viorcoin | Voice & Video Call | Cheap International Calls on: January 09, 2015, 04:59:49 PM
Nice entry price on vior.

Possibly. But the same was said 30% above the current one. And 20%. And 10%...
It just depends on what you think, this coin can perform into.
I personally think that if the gateaway works and real users start using it, it can be a top 25 coin

I agree. But those two "ifs" are rather substantial, aren't they? Lets assume the getaway works well, still the mother lode will be IF "real users start using it".
Why would they? Can you give me a compelling reason or two as to why would "regular users" use it, instead of the systems they are already familiar with such as google and facebook. And how exactly are they even going to know about this thing that offers them basically the same thing, but they and their counterparts, have to download a "wallet" (what? say they...) on their computers... Maybe there's a multimillion promotional campaign with TV ads and walls worldwide I am not aware of in the works, otherwise how exactly are they going to find out about it.

You do know "real people" really don't visit these forums, right?

Well this is not as facebook, in the op is explained who the gateaway will work.
I use "if", im not an oracle to tell you that were will be hundreds or thousands of users, or even 0. I dont know that. As i understand from what you are saying, you dont see the real world usages it will bring.
Getting real worlds users will need a pr campaign, i know that they dont read these forums. With a good pr campaign it will get real users.
You should compare this with skype credit calls, to get in the right direction

Why not the regular Skype, that is completely free? Or the many other services that provide video calls for free ---and will continue to do so, ever more frequently, ever with more quality and ever more for free, since they are ad-sponsored and part of bigger social networks?

Those providers are established and used 24/7 by BILLIONS of people across the planet. Now, PR or no PR, how are you going to get "regular people" to download a wallet (the whole concept would make them run for the exits from the get go), on BOTH ENDS, so people can use these service (for pay)? Is this really the basis for the future success of Viorcoin? Really?

Do you really think that downloading a wallet is harder than downloading skype?. We are not talking at calls between skype for example, we are talking about phone calls paid in vior, with you own number phone.
Calls between wallets are completely free as skype.
Do you understand what im trying to explain?.
English is not my main language so maybe im explaining myself in a bad way.
Also check the coinville whitepaper to see what to expect expect from this project in the coming months

I understand you fine, don't worry. You seem to have a problem understanding though that people ALREADY have downloaded, installed and used Skype. They, in fact, cannot live without it. Do you expect them to download a Viorcoin wallet too? For what exactly? Mind you, they already have iPhones and Ipads that provide them with the easiest and completely free facetime that they use daily in their normal life. What would be the purpose of them even showing the least interest in another such service, through an (horror!) electronic wallet or any other device, when it offers absolutely no advantages to them whatsoever in any possible way?

Have you read about the recent acquisition by Facebook of a video encoding company in San Diego that offers much smaller (faster) video data packages without sacrificing image quality? What do you think they are going to use it for? Do you think the Vior system will even be admitted in the ball park?
1167  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Viorcoin | Voice & Video Call | Cheap International Calls on: January 09, 2015, 04:48:21 PM
Nice entry price on vior.

Possibly. But the same was said 30% above the current one. And 20%. And 10%...
It just depends on what you think, this coin can perform into.
I personally think that if the gateaway works and real users start using it, it can be a top 25 coin

I agree. But those two "ifs" are rather substantial, aren't they? Lets assume the getaway works well, still the mother lode will be IF "real users start using it".
Why would they? Can you give me a compelling reason or two as to why would "regular users" use it, instead of the systems they are already familiar with such as google and facebook. And how exactly are they even going to know about this thing that offers them basically the same thing, but they and their counterparts, have to download a "wallet" (what? say they...) on their computers... Maybe there's a multimillion promotional campaign with TV ads and walls worldwide I am not aware of in the works, otherwise how exactly are they going to find out about it.

You do know "real people" really don't visit these forums, right?

Well this is not as facebook, in the op is explained who the gateaway will work.
I use "if", im not an oracle to tell you that were will be hundreds or thousands of users, or even 0. I dont know that. As i understand from what you are saying, you dont see the real world usages it will bring.
Getting real worlds users will need a pr campaign, i know that they dont read these forums. With a good pr campaign it will get real users.
You should compare this with skype credit calls, to get in the right direction

Why not the regular Skype, that is completely free? Or the many other services that provide video calls for free ---and will continue to do so, ever more frequently, ever with more quality and ever more for free, since they are ad-sponsored and part of bigger social networks?

Those providers are established and used 24/7 by BILLIONS of people across the planet. Now, PR or no PR, how are you going to get "regular people" to download a wallet (the whole concept would make them run for the exits from the get go), on BOTH ENDS, so people can use these service (for pay)? Is this really the basis for the future success of Viorcoin? Really?
1168  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Viorcoin | Voice & Video Call | Cheap International Calls on: January 09, 2015, 04:20:35 PM
Nice entry price on vior.

Possibly. But the same was said 30% above the current one. And 20%. And 10%...
It just depends on what you think, this coin can perform into.
I personally think that if the gateaway works and real users start using it, it can be a top 25 coin

I agree. But those two "ifs" are rather substantial, aren't they? Lets assume the getaway works well, still the mother lode will be IF "real users start using it".
Why would they? Can you give me a compelling reason or two as to why would "regular users" use it, instead of the systems they are already familiar with such as google and facebook. And how exactly are they even going to know about this thing that offers them basically the same thing, but they and their counterparts, have to download a "wallet" (what? say they...) on their computers... Maybe there's a multimillion promotional campaign with TV ads and walls worldwide I am not aware of in the works, otherwise how exactly are they going to find out about it.

You do know "real people" really don't visit these forums, right?
1169  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Viorcoin | Voice & Video Call | Cheap International Calls on: January 09, 2015, 04:07:58 PM
Nice entry price on vior.

Possibly. But the same was said 30% above the current one. And 20%. And 10%...
1170  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Viorcoin | Voice & Video Call | Cheap International Calls on: January 09, 2015, 04:01:29 PM
You have every right to not being asked, especially since you declare your ignorance upfront.

But in my somewhat rather wide experience, I have never see a coin held in 5 separate wallets at Bittrex. I have seen some in three separate ones, but that's almost half, on one side, and they were NOT the top 3 wallets. Now, not that I doubt the veracity of your assertion, but any way to get a more official confirmation on this?

It would be particularly worrysome either way though if only 50% or so of the coins' holders believe in the project enough not to be waiting at the exchange to dump them on the next rebound...

Nefarius indeed. The posers that pretend to be supporters, that is.
1171  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][SEED] SeedCoin | New Road Map on: January 09, 2015, 03:48:16 PM
You crack me up. Just crack me up...

Thanks for making me laugh... I am "seeding", really...

Oh and let me guess, after Pink, it will be jumbucks or whatever it's called, right?

Funny (con) man, you are....

Just go and get a regular job Jose.

Why would anyone hire you for acting jobs at your age? The best you'll get is a short part and hope for re-runs. But can you really live off those meagre royalties? This is why you do what you do.

Are your parents "proud"?

I'm doing you a favor by telling you this.  You need to get a job. This forum. This thing you call "life". This so called "power".  It's nothing.  Face facts.

Sell whatever you have in crypto and go and get a job. Wake up.


Another joke/r.

And I thought you would be kind of busy with your marvels and your self-made cards and "helping" NAUT... oh wait...

Funny guys...
1172  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Viorcoin | Voice & Video Call | Cheap International Calls on: January 09, 2015, 03:44:46 PM
The current POS rate is to encourage more people to stake. The rate update will likely be a variable interest rate 1-5%

How exactly will that work? You expect them to keep on staking when the "encouraging" rate is reduced by 95%?

And what will that do, in the way of "fair" distribution to the coin? Those privileged few that now have more than 200,000 coins staking will have what, 70% of the entire float?

Please do correct me if you find that my observations are off mark, by all means...

Huh.. I would advise you to read more about how proof of stake algorithm works.

Currently only 33% of the total coins are staking.



Oh I know how it works alright... let me simplify it for you -I know you do know this very well though-: The bigger stacks staking get the most blocks solved, they reap most of the staking rewards. Did I "get" it?

But please do not avoid the rest of the questions, ok? I doesn't make you look good.

Finally, if only 33% of the coins are staking at the moment, and only 29% of the total are at Bittrex (or are there more than one bittrex wallets in the explorer?), how come the other 71% are not staking? At 30% no less? who is the moron/s that is not staking and has the coins... oh wait, where?

You should know that prospective investors would want to know the answers to these things rather than a clumsy, very, at dodging the bullet...
1173  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Viorcoin | Voice & Video Call | Cheap International Calls on: January 09, 2015, 07:33:47 AM

Guys look it's barabbas, lol! Anyway, you do realize that the % of interest will be decreased in the future right? Dev mentioned that like a month ago or so if I recall, and also even if you look at many other coins that have grown super fast with more than 30% effective annual growth due to mass mining, you'll notice they're just fine. So trust me VIOR will reach way higher than you expect, and that's not even bearing in mind having potentially billions of people use this service, which would really need those "astronomical" amounts of coins to have a more even spread and enough access to coins for everyone. BTW, a lot of people use cold storage and never stake, so it would probably be like 50% of the coins staking and still probably not even all year long. For the record, I've fiddled with that calculator and imagined even 100% of coins staking just to see like 50 years down the road, but I didn't have a shit storm panic, because any real trader will tell you that emotions are your only enemy when you're a trader.

The guys are looking, no worry.

And if you already knew that the interest rate would be decreased in the future, what exactly was the point in making calculations 4 years down the line (that in crypto is like 100 years in regular time)?

Oh but you are a trader so you don't really care about any of this, really. You know very well the VOIP and VIDEOOIP (and not just P2P, but fully available on any device that connects to the internet) are already rather old tech widely used by the like of google and Facebook with many more to come, completely for free, don't you? So exactly based on what will this coin project have any kind of future, let alone one 4 years or more long?

And, since you volunteered it, which are those coins that are "just fine" that give the stakers 30% rate of growth or more? Just one or two would suffice...
1174  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Viorcoin | Voice & Video Call | Cheap International Calls on: January 09, 2015, 07:21:59 AM
The current POS rate is to encourage more people to stake. The rate update will likely be a variable interest rate 1-5%

How exactly will that work? You expect them to keep on staking when the "encouraging" rate is reduced by 95%?

And what will that do, in the way of "fair" distribution to the coin? Those privileged few that now have more than 200,000 coins staking will have what, 70% of the entire float?

Please do correct me if you find that my observations are off mark, by all means...
1175  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][SEED] SeedCoin | New Road Map on: January 09, 2015, 07:06:14 AM
You crack me up. Just crack me up...

Thanks for making me laugh... I am "seeding", really...

Oh and let me guess, after Pink, it will be jumbucks or whatever it's called, right?

Funny (con) man, you are....
1176  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Viorcoin | Voice & Video Call | Cheap International Calls on: January 09, 2015, 07:02:58 AM
Interesting product, but it lacks documentation.
I downloaded the wallet, but it looks like any other qt wallet and there's not even instructions on how to get started.
I pressed the call button out of curiosity but it told me I didn't have an account.
The web page is full of waffle but no practical advice on how to make a call.

I assume that the wallet incorporates a built-in media player for voice and video, but there's no immediate sign.
What codecs does it support? Resolution? Framerate?
Could it be used as a music and video player?
Could it incorporate an introductory demo video?
Does it need coins to operate?
What are the charges for calls?
Does it need this 'gateway' everyone's talking about before it will work?

I'm sure all the information's buried deep in the archives of this forum, but I'm not inclined to wade through 90 pages in order to gain a rough idea of how it might work, from a dozen different opinions.
A simple step by step guide would be greatly appreciated.

As a coin it has potential but it needs more than one exchange. Buying on Bittrex is like playing whack-a-mole. Sure I can buy at the top end, but making a bid's out of the question as it's inevitably capped and blocked by one sat. Annoying's not the word. There's too much manipulation to make it a fair fight. I know it happens on Cryptsy too, but it's much harder to manipulate multiple exchanges. And more exchanges brings a wider user base. By the looks of things this coin's mostly in the hands of a small group of major players. Not good for the small investor.The alternative listed on the op (altbuddy) is seemingly now defunct.

A final question for anybody in the know. Is the interest rate (25%) simple or compound?

Any advice will be much appreciated. It's not the best way to arrive with a list of criticisms, but I hope they're taken as constructive. I see a lot of calls for wider adoption, but I think the product needs to be more user-friendly for newbies.

It's compounding interest my good Sir.

So if you buy 50k for example and you stake 1 time per day for 4 years until the price according to my esimates is at $600-850 USD each you will have this many coins as you see in the image.
If you stake 24/7 then you will get Roughly 30%+ effective interest annually.



You do understand that such rate of interest is not sustainable, don't you?

Of course this project will not exist at all in 4 years but IF it were to exist, do you even grasp the level of inflation that a 25% compounded interest will reach?

It is easy to know with that wonderful calculator you have posted, so just change the entry and where it says 50,000, put instead 3.15 million -roughly 70% of the total coins if the % remains, as of now, with 30% in the exchange-. Scary, isn't it?

But if you change also the 4 year entry and put a 6 instead, then you will really get scared... or maybe not. After all, if you expect this coin to ever reach a value of $600 per unit you are already way beyond reach, I'm afraid.
1177  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: THE BYTECENT DISASTER on: January 09, 2015, 06:33:23 AM
There is very little selling or buying. It comes down to trying to do things differently. Bytecent is only on one exchange, it has no thread on here, it is not hyped, it has a small dev team and small community. But it is promising. The aim of Bytecent is to be easy to use and mine for your uncle or aunt. Download, install, mine. Buy direct with fiat, bypass BTC and exchanges. It is a sleeper for sure and is available on hundreds of download sites. People new to cryptocurrencies will start to find it. Give it time.

That is a simpleton explanation. Fact is that:

a) The community is too small to support the coin and its price, so it will become a dead coin before it reaches ANY target audience outside of crypto.

b) Too many people simple hate/dont trust/don't like IE, in the crypto world. Viscerally so  in many cases which, to me, it's only related, bottom line, to racism.

c) The mining irregularities have plagued the project from the start. It already has more than double the amount of coins -all for free- that it had when the ICO ended. Since there hasn't been any costs attached to that completely irregular amount of coins mined, logically, the price goes down. In fact, everything being equal, since there are currently more than double the number of coins than there were at the end of the ICO, the price has basically halved. Which makens sense since there has not been ANY progress whatsoever in the project since.

d) That banning shit IE has enacted of some countries/areas have been an exercise in futility that has (rightfully) enraged even people that were initially supporters of the project. The problem of over/mining -while most people cannot get hardly any coins mined in their regular computers/laptops- stinks to high heaven... even in IE and his closest friends are not benefiting. Someone is still gaming the system so to speak and getting tens of thousands of coins AND dumping them in the market, hence the downfall in the price.

All these problems will not be solved by a few people here and there, MAYBE, downloading the wallet and MAYBE, starting mining at home -to no avail, for no coins, practically, can be mined on a regular computer/laptop. So those people will dump the shit and promise themselves not to ever participate in such absurd games for pennies for constant aggravation. It will damage not just BYC but also the alts in general and the whole crypto world.

But just a little because, really, no one of any significance knows what BYC is of have ever pretended to become.

It will be a sad, pathetic side show within a couple of weeks. At the most.
1178  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: THE WALL OF HONOR on: January 08, 2015, 08:19:29 AM
I imagine you are referring to MangoCoinz. It is, indeed, an interesting proposition but, for now at least, way too early to be ratified by me here. I like the idea very much. To my knowledge there are no other coins out there that are being mined through smart phones with any degree of efficiency, so I will be looking closely as it develops. There are also many questions regarding security, reliability of the network -especially in these initial stages- and, above all, distribution. There's no even blockchain with standard info data available, nor Rich List (I understand they are in the process of providing both, along with application for IOS, which is direly needed). But, like I said, I like the concept and I like the three guys behind it. It is indeed a promising newcomer.

I'm sure we will be commenting quite a bit as they progress.
1179  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [VRC] | VeriCoin | POS-NSDI | VeriBit | VeriSend | VeriSMS | SuperNET Core on: January 07, 2015, 06:52:17 PM
It won't happen. The stooges will not allow it. And, remember, James NEEDS the stooges.

Blackcoin saw the light after they got religion. The stooges are far from getting there yet.

And they will always have James...
1180  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Ian deMartino on Paycoin and other important matters on: January 07, 2015, 08:35:43 AM
http://cointelegraph.com/news/113256/concerning-garza-tnabc-and-bitcoin-media-down-with-everything-associated-with-anyone-op-ed-

I agree with 95% of the content of that Op-Ed.

The other 5% is where he contends -and furthermore in the comments- that the effects of the Paycoin scandal may have gone too far. I fully disagree and counter that, in my opinion, not nearly far enough.

First of all, in this surreal altcoin world, the lines between "legitimate" journalism and plain PR are as blurred as they can be... in favor of PR disguised as journalism. Everyone who has been in crypto for a few months know by know what I am referring to: All those websites that beg for the coins they "cover" in the kiss-ass blog entries at the end. That's kissing ass for crumbs, not even remotely journalism. Lets make that distinction clear before anything else. Then there's Twitter. Twitter is a network where anyone can post anything -much like BTCT, but in snippets 140 words or less at a time-. It's "free-for-all". And, guaranteed, the opposite of journalism. And then there's Reddit, which is the domain of the particular bunch of greedy "groupies" who will stop at absolutely nothing if they feel they can help the coins they support and are invested in. And please pay some mind to the term absolutely in my previous phrase: No ethical considerations of ANY kind.

And then we have CoinTelegraph, for which deMartino writes, some times very nice, detailed, researched pieces, like the one linked, and... some other times, pretty bland, quite outdated ones, such as the one covering the BitBay scam which was published WEEKS after it had been admitted to, here, by their main protagonists. Talk about exercise in futility!

Ian, your blog is in the interesting position of being a big influence in the development of cryptocurrencies, especially, as it should, in the protection of your readers. But you cannot achieve that without taking the bull by the horns and make public, at the very least, the very clear red lights when there's still time to provide some caution, if not full protection, of your readers. The ethics of journalism, I'm afraid, don't quite serve the purpose of journalism when it comes to this wild west of cryptoland: They play -the scammers, the crooks- with too many advantages, anonymity being one of them. And then the burden of proof... I am NOT advocating for irresponsible journalism, but for risky, cutting edge one. One where you have to go on hints and gut feeling some times in order to be of any use to your readers. And let the chips fall where they may. You WILL make mistakes, but no one will question your motives. Or the mission of your blog.

What use is to report the BitBay scam -and then not particularly accurately- weeks after it unfolded here with the main protagonists admitting to their role in it? What purpose will it serve to even timely report on the Paycoin scandal, many days after the investors have been duped? Wasn't the pretension of Amazon, Target and Walmart involvement, along with the $20 "warranty", plus the supposed $300 million "fund" red flags enough to warrant an investigation? Just three calls in maybe 3 minutes would have given you the gist that the whole thing was just vapor. Yet you did not make even one of those calls, let alone on time. How about a call to Garza himself to provide proof of the $300 million "fund"? Poor, very poor and lazy "journalism" there, Ian.

And now your claims that the "standard may be impossibly high". Sorry but no. There are already several projects out there (which ones you ask? I'm not a paid reporter here but I will give you two off the top of my mind... all are here one way or another: SIFTRCOIN, BLOCKNET... many more of lesser means). What are you doing about those which is not going deep into their claims, the evidence against some of their "developers" (Dan Metcalf sounds familiar?). How about an op-ed on the inevitable damages to the digital currencies community when the big money comes in and performs its deadly manipulations in absence of Johnny Law? People whose acts would have them thrown in jail in Johnny Lawland, need to be EXPOSED by legitimate outlets, such as yours, preferably when it matters, BEFORE the damage happens. Talking about crooks, when would you think an expose is due on the likes of Surplus, Pr0metheus, Fontas, and so many others. When another on the irresponsible -and crooked- "devs" from Metcalf to Carlos Ferguson to about 100 others? How about that "Proof od Dev" thingy issued at the whim of a guy with no relevance prior whatsoever? I'm not your desk editor, nor you should need one ... if you are to be of any use to your readers. Otherwise, just stick to sit on your butt and peruse these forums looking for a "safe" time to print useless rants. And then when the controversy gets you and your publication in hot waters only.

May the New Year provide you a sense of real purpose: That of being a real journalist. Direly needed in the space.     
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