https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=280806.0 war zumindest mal ein offizieller Thread. Jedenfalls habe ich und andere dies so verstanden. Nützt Dir aber auch nix, denn dieser Thread ist abandoned, wie man so schön sagt.  Wobei dies auch nix heissen muss, viele Projekte/Sites haben/hatten mehrere offizielle Threads.
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Ich habe mal ein kurzes Posting rund um Monero verfasst, welches einige hier angesprochen Themen/Aussagen aufgreift. Sind meine unstrukturierten Gedanken zu den Punkten: Monero vs. Darkcoin, Moneros aktuelle Situation und öffentliche Wahrnehmung sowie Moneros Zukunft allgemein. Siehe: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg10537982#msg10537982(Achtung: Wer sich durch positive, ehrliche Posts zu Monero provoziert fühlt, bitte nicht auf den Link klicken!!!) |
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Please apologize this X-post. I wrote the following text for a different, specialized Monero thread and have now decided: I want to post it here again. Everybody active in the Monero project or other new/interested people can read it here. ##### DRK is no real, ultimate competitor. The Monero Project has a certain future (there is enough demand and Monero offers significant benefits for legal usage/users). Monero has a solid chance (best-case-scenario) to become one of the leading, widely-used and supported Crypto Currency, even if it won't become the leading trading-coin on the Dark Net. Two things are important:
- don't concentrate all your posts, thoughts, involvement about becoming sick rich (with XMR), like Bitcoin Early Adopters (this creates bad atmosphere and work attitude) - Monero is about building our new, own ecosystem and with all the related-services, 1.) the basic ones we need, to create a healthy, vivid coin, that has a real chance to survive organically and the 2.) the services & use-cases we like to have (and maybe miss elsewhere) - i suggest establishing the idea: of turning around this disadvantage, of not being able to use the hole developed & estab. Bitcoin-Infrastructure & -software, into an potential/strength: we have the chance to build an Crypto Currency ecosystem from scratch, exact the way we want and need it, free from historic boundaries & rules, with the help and usage of todays: technology, knowledge and practical experience with other CCs - we can and should learn from all the problems, questionable developments and judged with todays knowledge bad/not ideal design decision in Bitcoin and we should do it - to have a coin and ecosystem that has a chance of long-term usage and success, for us self [increasing our satisfaction & added value by contributing to Monero] and for all the future users that we want and need, so the project and currency reaches usage numbers and the public status, it needs to: just stay alive, stay fair and economically wise to use (long term) - so it can evolve and improve and hopefully be successful - Another essential fact to note: we have to work and create a currency, community and ecosystem that is independent from Dark Web-usage, focussing on easy usage and handling for all users (not only standard end-users, also other E-Commerce relevant players: like merchants, power users with certain requirements, vendors, site owners, media, ...). Once we have build this privacy-centric coin, we should inform the interested/relevant general public outside of the Crypto scene about Monero, to attract many "real-world users", to use Monero because of it's features and (unique) benefits. - there is no value in: "faking" E-Commerce, when we as XMR community send around coins back and forth for stupid services & random gimmicks or [like other failed coins] thinking, some illegal online gambling sites with XMR will be enough to create an solid ecosystems We need to work hard and persistent to create this first small real, legit XMR E-Commerce. We need these non-tech/non-crypto people for feedback to improve XMR clients, apis, services and processes. If we can get there and we have: real users, the software solutions (where people understand and are happy to use Mult-Sig-TXs e.g. for escrow), honestly earned trust from the media, tech community & co and we as community have shown we really help and support XMR professional early adopters, THEN: Dark Web-adoption will come and if XMR really adds benefits for Dark Web-trading, it may become the dominant, leading privacy-coin (with the expected big growth in price) I read alot of posts talking about "DRK vs XMR battle", "supposed advantages DRK has over XMR, so DRK will be the leading dark web coin and everyone supporting Monero is stupid", "Monero ain't interesting to hold/trade, there is no price development, no price pump I can participate ...." coming from generally bad (informed) posters, non technical alt-coin-community and or newbs, with newly regged accounts and childish behavior. These people are wrong. The Monero project and community is way more & multifaceted and honestly intrinsic motivated. All the people in the XMR community I talked with, really believed in and lived after the principals and ideas Monero represents. We don't have actors (like alot of other projects), just pseudo-participating a bit to get rich. People support Monero, because they really support the conception and ideas & values behind it, the innovative technology used, the open & democratic development process and the higher-than-average friendly, intelligent, pleasant & pro-active community. ---> don't let these bullshit thoughts get into your brain  and tell these posters they are wrong That's all I had on my mind and wanted to say. Thank you. |
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DRK is no real, ultimate competitor. The Monero Project has a certain future (there is enough demand and Monero offers significant benefits for legal usage/users). Monero has a solid chance (best-case-scenario) to become one of the leading, widely-used and supported Crypto Currency, even if it won't become the leading trading-coin on the Dark Net. Two things are important:
- don't concentrate all your posts, thoughts, involvement about becoming sick rich (with XMR), like Bitcoin Early Adopters (this creates bad atmosphere and work attitude) - Monero is about building our new, own ecosystem and with all the related-services, 1.) the basic ones we need, to create a healthy, vivid coin, that has a real chance to survive organically and the 2.) the services & use-cases we like to have (and maybe miss elsewhere) - i suggest establishing the idea: of turning around this disadvantage, of not being able to use the hole developed & estab. Bitcoin-Infrastructure & -software, into an potential/strength: we have the chance to build an Crypto Currency ecosystem from scratch, exact the way we want and need it, free from historic boundaries & rules, with the help and usage of todays: technology, knowledge and practical experience with other CCs - we can and should learn from all the problems, questionable developments and judged with todays knowledge bad/not ideal design decision in Bitcoin and we should do it - to have a coin and ecosystem that has a chance of long-term usage and success, for us self [increasing our satisfaction & added value by contributing to Monero] and for all the future users that we want and need, so the project and currency reaches usage numbers and the public status, it needs to: just stay alive, stay fair and economically wise to use (long term) - so it can evolve and improve and hopefully be successful - Another essential fact to note: we have to work and create a currency, community and ecosystem that is independent from Dark Web-usage, focussing on easy usage and handling for all users (not only standard end-users, also other E-Commerce relevant players: like merchants, power users with certain requirements, vendors, site owners, media, ...). Once we have build this privacy-centric coin, we should inform the interested/relevant general public outside of the Crypto scene about Monero, to attract many "real-world users", to use Monero because of it's features and (unique) benefits. - there is no value in: "faking" E-Commerce, when we as XMR community send around coins back and forth for stupid services & random gimmicks or [like other failed coins] thinking, some illegal online gambling sites with XMR will be enough to create an solid ecosystems We need to work hard and persistent to create this first small real, legit XMR E-Commerce. We need these non-tech/non-crypto people for feedback to improve XMR clients, apis, services and processes. If we can get there and we have: real users, the software solutions (where people understand and are happy to use Mult-Sig-TXs e.g. for escrow), honestly earned trust from the media, tech community & co and we as community have shown we really help and support XMR professional early adopters, THEN: Dark Web-adoption will come and if XMR really adds benefits for Dark Web-trading, it may become the dominant, leading privacy-coin (with the expected big growth in price) I read alot of posts talking about "DRK vs XMR battle", "supposed advantages DRK has over XMR, so DRK will be the leading dark web coin and everyone supporting Monero is stupid", "Monero ain't interesting to hold/trade, there is no price development, no price pump I can participate ...." coming from generally bad (informed) posters, non technical alt-coin-community and or newbs, with newly regged accounts and childish behavior. These people are wrong. The Monero project and community is way more & multifaceted and honestly intrinsic motivated. All the people in the XMR community I talked with, really believed in and lived after the principals and ideas Monero represents. We don't have actors (like alot of other projects), just pseudo-participating a bit to get rich. People support Monero, because they really support the conception and ideas & values behind it, the innovative technology used, the open & democratic development process and the higher-than-average friendly, intelligent, pleasant & pro-active community. ---> don't let these bullshit thoughts get into your brain and tell these posters they are wrong That's all I had on my mind and wanted to say. Thank you. |
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Monero und DarkCoin sind beides solide & gute Projekte. Mit vollkommenden unterschiedlichen Ausrichtungen, Communities, verwendeten Krypthographie- & Software-Technologien, Anwendungsfällen, etc. Es wird sich zeigen welche Entwicklungs- & Design-Philosophie sich (am Endnutzer-Markt) durchsetzt. Zumindest Monero, hat zudem in jedem Fall auch eine solide Perspektive, abseits des Deep Webs (falls sich dort eine andere Coin durchsetzt) zu überleben und eine wichtige Crypto Currency der Zukunft zu werden. Auch bei DarkCoin ist dies sicherlich möglich, wenn gleich wohl etwas schwieriger. (um des lieben Board-Friedens willen, verzichte ich hier auf Nennung von Gründen) Glaubst dass einem Käufer im Deepweb die Technik interessiert? Der will kaufen und Anonym bleiben.
Und da ist nun mal Darkcoin am weitesten fortgeschritten und hat auch die meiste Akzeptanz.
Lt. http://www.deepdotweb.com/2013/10/28/updated-llist-of-hidden-marketplaces-tor-i2p/ existiert genau einen Marktplatz der DRK akzeptiert. Dieser ist erst seit einen Monat online, macht On-Site-Escrow ( Hacking, Razzia, Diebstahl = Coins weg), hat kaum nicht scammende Vendoren, Scammende dafür umso mehr (vergl. ua. https://reddit.com/r/DarkNetMarkets/comments/2vvy5e/complaintwarningboycott_nucleus_market_major/), schlechte und wenige Reviews auf DeepDotWeb und der dazugehörige Sub-Reddit hat 30 Abonnenten. (Nur mal so im Vergleich: /r/DarkNetMarkets hat 41.000 Abonnenten oder ein bekannter Markt, wie TheMarketPlace zB. 2200.) Vendor-Gebühren gibt es im Übrigen auch nicht ... Sicherer & fairer Deep Web E-Commerce funktioniert heutzutage nur noch mit möglichst fairen, trust-less, off-site Escrow-Systemen. (Und kann eben auch nur genauso funktionieren, wie uns die jüngere Geschichte zuhauf gelehrt hat.) Nur eine Crypto Currency mit leicht zu verstehenden & benutzenden Multi Sig-Support, der sich idealerweise noch an den Bedürfnissen der Deep Web-Community orientiert, hat das Potential die führende im Deep Web-Trading führende Crypto Currency zu werden. Hier gibt es ja selbst bei Bitcoin noch große Schwierigkeiten. (keine Clients, unterschiedliche Standards/Implementierung, keine Tools/Skripte für Poweruser wie zB. Vendoren, keine oder schlechte Integration in die Marktplatz-Softwaresysteme, keine, nicht verständliche, zu komplexe Anleitungen, uvw. ...) (dazu kommen anderen - zu entwickelnde - nötige Vorraussetzungen, wie: Ökosystem, Bekanntheit, Marketcap, keine zu hohe Preis-Volatilität, nötige Liquidität, attraktive Projekt-Community, ...) Da hat jedes Anon Coin-Projekt, gleich welchen Namens, noch enorm viel Entwicklungsaufwand zu leisten. Der Weg zum Ziel ist noch sehr, sehr lang, für alle Teilnehmer (vermutlich 12 bis 18 Monate noch), bis irgendwann einer der führenden Dark Net-Markets Bitcoin ersetzt oder ergänzt durch/mit einer Privacy-Centric Digital Currency. |
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X-Post von https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=527434.msg10532120#msg10532120zur besseren Verbreitung dieser wichtigen Nachricht. --- CAVIRTEX News
Feb. 19, 2015, 4:46 p.m. - Update on withdrawals
Since announcing our intention to shut down we have received an incredible amount of positive feedback from our users, partners, and community members, and we would like to say thank you for your kind feedback and years of patronage. For clients looking to withdraw CAD we are experiencing delays due to the volume of withdrawals. Due to payment provider limitations, we currently cannot process direct deposits in excess of $150,000 per day. Given the current withdrawal requests we expect withdrawals to take at least 5 days longer than usual. We appreciate your patience. Bitcoin and Litecoin withdrawals will begin soon. Again, we are concerned over the safety of your funds, so we want to be extremely careful confirming that the user withdrawing is actually the owner of the account. We assure you that we want to return funds as much as you want to withdraw them. Please inform us immediately if you get a browser confirmation email from us that you did not initiate. For those of you who have not changed your passwords, please do so. Please fill out your return addresses under settings > user preferences. Feb. 17, 2015, 12:12 p.m. - CAVIRTEX shutting down
Effective immediately, CAVIRTEX intends to cease carrying on an active Bitcoin business and will be winding down its operations in an orderly manner. As a result, effective immediately, no new deposits will be accepted by CAVIRTEX. Trading on CAVIRTEX will be halted effective March 20, 2015. Effective March 25th, 2015, no withdrawals will be processed. CAVIRTEX will communicate with any account holders that continue to hold balances after March 25, 2015.
We have maintained 100% reserves. CAVIRTEX is solvent and remains in a position to accommodate all customer withdrawal requests received prior to March 25, 2015. However, On February 15, 2015 we found reason to believe that an older version of our database, including 2FA secrets and hashed passwords, may have been compromised. This database did not include identification documents.
Because security and the safety of customer funds are paramount to our mission and the success of Bitcoin in general, CAVIRTEX has determined to cease active operations in the Bitcoin business and to return all customer funds. We believe that the damage to the company's reputation caused by the potential compromise will significantly harm our ability to continue to operate successfully. As a result of the potential compromise of our database we cannot be certain of the confidentiality of account credentials. Please log into your account and change your password immediately. Please also clear your CAVIRTEX browser cookies. BTC and LTC withdrawal will remain temporarily disabled. We ask that customers please fill in their Bitcoin and Litecoin return addresses on their user preferences. These fields have been cleared for all users and will need to be filled in once again. This page is accessible under Settings then User Preferences. Your BTC and LTC will be sent to that address. CAD withdrawals remain enabled. CAVIRTEX continues to believe, as we have over the last three and a half years of operation, that cryptocurrency is here to stay. We appreciate all the support from our amazing customers who have been on this journey with us. You are the true Bitcoin pioneers and with your help we have imprinted Bitcoin in the Canadian conscience. Even with this latest development, we are proud to say that we have never lost customer funds. To our knowledge, our production environment has never been breached. CAVIRTEX intends to communicate with its loyal shareholders regarding this announcement in the near future. Thank you to our loyal customers and all of our supporters who believed in us but more importantly trusted us. Sincerely, The CAVIRTEX Team Feb. 15, 2015, 5:57 p.m. - Deposits and withdrawals disabled BTC and LTC wallets have been disabled due to a known issue. All customer funds are safe. Please be patient while we address the issue. --- Quelle: https://www.cavirtex.com/news |
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--- CAVIRTEX News
Feb. 19, 2015, 4:46 p.m. - Update on withdrawals
Since announcing our intention to shut down we have received an incredible amount of positive feedback from our users, partners, and community members, and we would like to say thank you for your kind feedback and years of patronage. For clients looking to withdraw CAD we are experiencing delays due to the volume of withdrawals. Due to payment provider limitations, we currently cannot process direct deposits in excess of $150,000 per day. Given the current withdrawal requests we expect withdrawals to take at least 5 days longer than usual. We appreciate your patience. Bitcoin and Litecoin withdrawals will begin soon. Again, we are concerned over the safety of your funds, so we want to be extremely careful confirming that the user withdrawing is actually the owner of the account. We assure you that we want to return funds as much as you want to withdraw them. Please inform us immediately if you get a browser confirmation email from us that you did not initiate. For those of you who have not changed your passwords, please do so. Please fill out your return addresses under settings > user preferences. Feb. 17, 2015, 12:12 p.m. - CAVIRTEX shutting down
Effective immediately, CAVIRTEX intends to cease carrying on an active Bitcoin business and will be winding down its operations in an orderly manner. As a result, effective immediately, no new deposits will be accepted by CAVIRTEX. Trading on CAVIRTEX will be halted effective March 20, 2015. Effective March 25th, 2015, no withdrawals will be processed. CAVIRTEX will communicate with any account holders that continue to hold balances after March 25, 2015.
We have maintained 100% reserves. CAVIRTEX is solvent and remains in a position to accommodate all customer withdrawal requests received prior to March 25, 2015. However, On February 15, 2015 we found reason to believe that an older version of our database, including 2FA secrets and hashed passwords, may have been compromised. This database did not include identification documents.
Because security and the safety of customer funds are paramount to our mission and the success of Bitcoin in general, CAVIRTEX has determined to cease active operations in the Bitcoin business and to return all customer funds. We believe that the damage to the company's reputation caused by the potential compromise will significantly harm our ability to continue to operate successfully. As a result of the potential compromise of our database we cannot be certain of the confidentiality of account credentials. Please log into your account and change your password immediately. Please also clear your CAVIRTEX browser cookies. BTC and LTC withdrawal will remain temporarily disabled. We ask that customers please fill in their Bitcoin and Litecoin return addresses on their user preferences. These fields have been cleared for all users and will need to be filled in once again. This page is accessible under Settings then User Preferences. Your BTC and LTC will be sent to that address. CAD withdrawals remain enabled. CAVIRTEX continues to believe, as we have over the last three and a half years of operation, that cryptocurrency is here to stay. We appreciate all the support from our amazing customers who have been on this journey with us. You are the true Bitcoin pioneers and with your help we have imprinted Bitcoin in the Canadian conscience. Even with this latest development, we are proud to say that we have never lost customer funds. To our knowledge, our production environment has never been breached. CAVIRTEX intends to communicate with its loyal shareholders regarding this announcement in the near future. Thank you to our loyal customers and all of our supporters who believed in us but more importantly trusted us. Sincerely, The CAVIRTEX Team Feb. 15, 2015, 5:57 p.m. - Deposits and withdrawals disabled BTC and LTC wallets have been disabled due to a known issue. All customer funds are safe. Please be patient while we address the issue. --- Quelle: https://www.cavirtex.com/news |
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Ich hau mal einen raus zum Freitag:
Der Kurs bleibt die nächsten zwei bis drei Jahre unter $500, weil:
Das Bitcoin-Angebot ist heute viel größer als früher. Dies gleich in beiden Dimensionen: das tatsächliche & das im allgemeinen Bewusstsein wahrgenommene.
Begründung
Grund 1
- täglich werden 3600 Bitcoins gemined, bekanntlich und anhand eindeutigen Quellenmaterials belegt, hauen die großen Mining-Datencenter davon 90% sofort zum Verkauf in den Markt
- Unterschied zu früher (für jeden einsehbar): die privat CPU/GPU-minenden Bitcoin Early Adopter haben bei weitem nicht in dem Volumen gekauft (meisten haben 80 bis 100% gehoarded statt verkauft)
(=== eineindeutige Angebotsvergrößerung im Vergleich zu Vorjahren)
- Konsequenz: bei aktuellem Kurs heisst dies: $ 243.65 * 3600 * 0,9 * === täglich müsste neu $789.426 investiert werden um überhaupt den Kurs zu halten
Grund 2
- Entstehung und Wachstum eines Bitcoin E-Commerce-Segmentes, leider getrieben durch Third-Party Payment-Provider, welche ihre Merchants in FIAT auszahlen
- >90% der im Online-Handel oder für Online-Services ausgegebenen BTC wird sofort gegen FIAT ausgecashed (ebenfalls mit Quellen belegbar. 1 = Marktanteile Coinbase und Bitpay & 2 = Auszahlungsraten in FIAT, zumindest bei Coinbase bei publiziert)
- Unterschied zu früher: meisten Merchants waren selber Bitcoin Early Adopter und haben bei weitem nicht in dem Volumen gekauft, meisten haben signifikant gehoarded statt verkauft, ebenfalls für jeden einsehbar
(=== eineindeutige Angebotsvergrößerung im Vergleich zu Vorjahren)
Grund 3
- beschlagnahmte Coins von sogenannten Straftätern werden, im großen Stil, zeitnah und professionell versteigert
- großes Vorbild: Vereinigte Staaten von Amerika
- jedem klar, das wird ewig so weiter gehen, anderen Staaten werden dem großen Vorbild nacheifern, Amis werden nach dem großen Erfolg mit DPRs Coins natürlich versuchen mehr zu beschlagnahmen, es tun sich ja einige Möglichkeiten auf (Drogenhandel im Deep Web boomt, illegale Securities, angebliche Geldwäsche ...)
- Unterschied zu früher (für jeden einsehbar): neue Entwicklung, früher blieben solche Coins weg vom Markt
(=== eineindeutige Angebotsvergrößerung)
Durch dieses signifikant größere reale und vor allem auch erstmals so wahrgenommene Angebot, ist auch der ganze Kaufdruck aus dem Markt raus.
Ich muss auf Arbeit, sonst hätte ich eigentlich noch bissel mehr geschrieben und besser formuliert. Ich bitte aufrichtig um Entschuldigung.
DISCUSS!$"$?!?"!!?!A111
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Herzlichen Dank für diese Informationen.
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Morgen, als am 19.02, beginnt in China Shining New Year! Von der Theorie müsste Euer Dreieck schon aus diesem Grunde in die roten Zahlen abwandern.
Weshalb? |
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new world order, was denn sonst $@$?]"4111111#11[ Ich hab es doch gewusst! |
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bill86: Ich hab jetzt keine Zeit. Ein Hinweis warum Amazon so gut ist, geb ich Dir aber noch mit: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Werner_VogelsDie Credentials dieses Mannes sprechen ja wohl für sich. Das ist Informatik-Champions League IHMO. |
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Jetzt übertreib mal nicht, weder S3 noch AWS ist fragwürdig. S3 ist absoluter Industriestandard, im Hosting professioneller, redundanter Webapps.
Ich verstehe Deinen Grundgedanken (zuviele externe Services/Partner), auf die man angewiesen ist. Aber bei AWS schiesst Du übers Ziel hinaus.
S3 bzw. AWS ist vermutlich sogar noch ein Sicherheitsgewinn (auf jedenfall Redundanz & Widerstandsfähigkeitsgewinn), weil 99,5% der Firmen nicht mal in der Lage wären genauso sicher und zuverlässig ihre Files(/ihren Content) selbst Du zu hosten.
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Warum sollte sich der Markt auch groß bewegen? 7000 Coins ja nun nicht viel, für einen Exchange-Hack. Nur 0.05% aller emittierten Coins (== 7000 * 100 / 13831124).
7000 Coins werden sicher aller 5-10 Tage irgendwo gestohlen und verschwinden regelmäßig schnell mal.
Wenn bspw. ein Mitbewohner oder Ex-Partner die Wallets seines WG-Gefährtens oder Ex-Lebenspartner leer macht. Oder ein Deep Web Vendor gepwned wird oder ein Bitcoin Early Adoper gescamt oder gehackt wird.
Klar ist/war der negative Effekt hier etwas höher durch den zusätzlichen Image-Schaden vs. die Beispiel oben.
Trotzdem sind ein 7000 Coins-Besitzerwechsel nun wirklich kein großes Ding, was eine starke Marktbewegung rechtfertigen würde/sollte.
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Haben die keine wirkliche Killer-Apps? Irgendwelche Sachen/Tools/Apps/Ideen die es wirklich noch nicht gibt, - die vielleicht auch irgend jemand haben möchte/sich wünscht?
Es besteht so circa 0,00000(1)% Bedarf weltweit an einem weiteren Browser oder Messenger. Egal ob nun blockchain-basiert oder irgendwie verwurschtet in einer Crypto Currency-Plattform.
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silverfuture: you spread fucking FUD, you motherfucking one world order-bitcoiner
you are an disgrace to bitcoin, generally crypto currency and crypto finance as a whole
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