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461  Other / Meta / Re: Default Trust Visualisation [Picture Heavy!!!] [14th Sept] on: February 15, 2016, 09:21:56 PM
If it's at all possible to release your code then you might find someone else with compute power to spare who wants to run it for you.

Its not code (sort of), its man hours.
462  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Bitfury: "16nm... sales to public start shortly" on: February 15, 2016, 01:58:50 PM
Speaking as someone that has suffered through both Sat and Cellular as a primary internet connection, there is no such thing as 100% uptime with those types of connection.
 They're viable in a pinch as backup connectivity, as mining isn't data-intensive, but redundant links of REAL Internet connections (one DSL, one CableModem for example) would be a TON better on reliability.

I was really referring to if you have to move your DC on short notice and you literally end up with a container + temporary generator on someone's lot and you still need to be able to mine.
463  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Bitfury: "16nm... sales to public start shortly" on: February 15, 2016, 03:08:05 AM
Only power in and data in-out.

Wouldn't be surprised if they had some encrypted version of 4G or satellite as backup connectivity and make sure 100% uptime. The great thing about mining is that the bandwidth requirements should remain constant regardless of the size of hardware!
464  Other / Meta / Re: Mistaken deletion, or legitimate deletion? (Moderator vs. self-moderator) on: February 14, 2016, 07:47:10 PM
But I just wanted to clarify;  is it necessarily against the rules to re-post a self-moderated deletion somewhere else?

If there is legitimate reason, ie because only negative comments are being deleted during a scam, then yes a non-self-moderated sister thread would be appropriate.
465  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [Guide] Dogie's Comprehensive Bitmain Antminer S3 Setup [HD] on: February 14, 2016, 07:19:52 PM
It is a problem. Nobody is complaining I'm documenting what I'm doing and hoping somebody has something to say, besides you who's clueless to anything other taking pictures and setting the ip.

5 miners operate 40c avg.
1 miner operates and climbs 2c every minute until the thing is spinning like a helicopter and goes above 60

if that is normal to you give your head a shake. 

Good luck.
466  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [Guide] Dogie's Comprehensive Bitmain Antminer S3 Setup [HD] on: February 14, 2016, 06:38:13 PM
I took it apart again and reworked it and same results.  This one definitely has a physical problem.  Either a hardware problem with one of the components or a heatsink warping problem.  I noticed all them had loose heatsinks but this one was tighter. I have tried loose and tight all produce the same results. Ever climbing temps until I shut it down.  I'm up to 57c after a few minutes and still climbing while the other 5 are at 41c.

I'm disappointed by those heatsinks.  Some had holes through them from the sheers or whatever they used to cut them down. Really bad quality and those springs are a joke, they belong on a ball point pen not a CPU.

You're complaining about a problem which isn't a problem, the temperature probe could be wrong for all we know. There is no risk at running at 57C and if it gets too hot it will turn itself off.
467  Other / Meta / Re: negative feedback abuse on: February 14, 2016, 05:25:30 PM
Should be be allowed? No.
Is it done? Yes.
Is anything done about it? No.
468  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [Guide] Dogie's Comprehensive Bitmain Antminer S3 Setup [HD] on: February 14, 2016, 12:46:48 PM
It is rising in temps about 1C every minute. It got to 60 and I shut it down. Has anyone ever had this. The others got faster and quieter after a clean and heatsink job.  I'm thinking one of them has the screws too loose or too tight on the heatsinks.

Those temps are still fine, thermal cutoff is way up there at 80.
469  Other / Meta / Re: Default Trust Visualisation [Picture Heavy!!!] [14th Sept] on: February 14, 2016, 12:44:48 PM
I suggest you wait another week for the next file as Blazed is still working on their list.

The trustnetwork dumps come once a week so I'll have to wait until next Sunday then.
470  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Bitfury: "16nm... sales to public start shortly" on: February 14, 2016, 03:16:42 AM
Filling up an $8 million immersion data tank with 28nm chips that are not packed densely is ludicrous, even filling it with 16nm chips it will be tough to turn a profit when you need to overcome $8 million
Since they bought Allied control I doubt they're still charging themselves $8m Tongue

I said the container costs $8 million - I know they own Allied but that doesn't change the fact it costs that much.  Show me an actual picture of one of them, you can't because there is not one to take pictures of yet (at least not an "in use" one. I am sure they do not own the Shipping Container Manufacturers, the parts manufacturers for a 1.5 - 2 megawatt outfit that fits into the container, the Novec etc etc.  I was not guessing at the cost of the container, I was stating what it cost.  
You're stating the ticker sale price, not the cost price. If the containers cost $8m for Bitfury, what would be the point selling them at $8m?


Dogie, I know it makes you upset that someone has info that you do not have and you feel the need to try and shame that person. Sorry you feel the need to do that.
Why is everyone so hostile tonight Huh
471  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Collecting Data on B8 S7 Failure Rates on: February 14, 2016, 03:12:55 AM
What would they lose buy having someone answer the phone and sell parts at list price?
I don't know, and I don't know what happened to the US repair place and why its not being used as much. Seemed a good idea but I guess they didn't like the cost.


S5 (Was the opposite of the S3 mmini tank, the plastic sides warped, hash boards fried, but many people made a lot of money early.
The S5 was manufactured on a scale we'd never before seen in Bitcoin land, so the 'high' fail rate mainly just more units existing. And I mean a lot more.


I learned with the S7 if you have a fan failure you are responsible for sourcing and replacing the fan.
The fans are a shame. I repeatedly asked them to reconsider a model as there were many reports of the same premature failure method - the bearing failing and making the fan assembly literally fall off. I reported it on the S4, but it was used again in S5, S7 etc.


I don't believe Spondoolies lost money overall
Money before + money in = money out + money after. We all know they don't have much money after so either they didn't sell enough or their costs were too high (more likely).


I think a company could step in and start selling a $599.00 S7 equivalent today for two weeks and stop for a week and only sell them for 999.00 or some similar marketing game which would still make them obscene profits but if they offered average customer service and RMA process as
No one would buy a miner at a 70% price premium in the hoep of better support. As we've seen with re-sellers, customers are price and delivery sensitive rather than support sensitive, as re-sellers inherently increase the warranty risk.


Don't even talk about a startup full of excited entrepreneurs who would always be on top of things.
I have worked with far too many pre-startup mining companies, unfortunately enthusiasm doesn't pay the bills.


There must be a whole different side to Bitmain service and response that I have not been able to experience.
I don't know, its a hard job dealing with markets across the entire world on a budget. I have to say though, the volume of support requests wasn't that unreasonable for the amount of orders going out so at least a size-able majority would never require contact again.


I understand vacation, I've already said my thing there, too many ways to handle people on vacation, everyone who makes something people want on a weekend eventually figures out a way to give it to them.
Chinese vacations are very, very different to anything we can imagine over here. People don't just 'take' holiday over these periods, the entire COUNTRY goes on holiday simultaneously. I guess the only comparison would be from Christmas to New Years but there were no gaps in between and no one did anything. This includes couriers and distribution on top of staff.


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You can manually set width, height or both:
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472  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Bitfury: "16nm... sales to public start shortly" on: February 14, 2016, 02:55:06 AM
The simple fact remains they are not mining with any significant chips (28 or 16nm) in the immersion data tanks.  Those tanks are in the $8 million range and without high density 16nm chips those Immersion Data Centers are worthless.  Filling up an $8 million immersion data tank with 28nm chips that are not packed densely is ludicrous, even filling it with 16nm chips it will be tough to turn a profit when you need to overcome $8 million
Since they bought Allied control I doubt they're still charging themselves $8m Tongue The thing is, they have the data and they've decided its the best choice so its relatively safe to assume that is the best choice. And if not then it doesn't affect us anyway. Also worth considering that its a lot easier to ship bare chips ready for OEM integration than it is to resell weird form factor, second hand boards.


...
Are you seriously that unable to have an adult debate? Calm down already.
473  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Bitfury: "16nm... sales to public start shortly" on: February 14, 2016, 01:42:50 AM
selling the old miners on eBay (or to Venezuela) and replacing them with new ones is part of the ROI optimization strategy

That only applies when the newer generation absolutely demolishes the old one in efficiency and when electricity costs are tangible. They are not and neither is Bitfury's 28nm obsolete.
474  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Bitfury: "16nm... sales to public start shortly" on: February 14, 2016, 12:39:42 AM
stuff

No, throwing out or selling 28nm stuff to replace it with 16nm simply doesn't make sense. They have a limited amount of hosting capacity so its 16nm OR 28nm and the other has to be sold. While they can get a better capital $ / GH with replacing the 28nm with 16nm, minimizing capital expenditure isn't always the sensible or most profitable thing to do - especially in a company as cash rich as Bitfury.
475  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Bitfury: "16nm... sales to public start shortly" on: February 13, 2016, 09:48:09 PM
Because that's even more cost to repurpose hardware that is perfectly fine, already paid for, already mining and still profitable.
Oh, c'mon. It would be a waste of immersion bath to run old underclocked miners.

And what it means "paid for"? Presumably Bitfury used either its own or borrowed capital to populate their immersion cooled facility. Selling them would actually release working capital to spend it on manufacturing new generation miners.

So they're going to spend money to buy 16nm, spend money to retrofit 28nm, spend money to sell 28nm, spend money to install 16nm..... and that's all going to cost them less than just selling 16nm?
476  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Bitfury: "16nm... sales to public start shortly" on: February 13, 2016, 08:41:41 PM
If they're in immersion cooling board form, they're certainly not going to be selling them.
Why? The whole point of immersion cooling is that it allows using the same boards design as for air cooling. The difference is only in how far the board can be overvolted/overclocked for optimum GH/$. Theoretically the buyer would air cool them to optimize GH/J, which means undervolting/underclocking.
 

Because that's even more cost to repurpose hardware that is perfectly fine, already paid for, already mining and still profitable.
477  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Bitfury: "16nm... sales to public start shortly" on: February 13, 2016, 07:32:37 PM
Its then just a matter of changing tankfulls of boards one at a time.

Why would they remove 28nm stuff when its already paid for and still profitable? The answer I guess is capacity and just how many data centers you want to build, but that's part of the reason they want to sell these to others.

They will sell the used 28nm miners?

If they're in immersion cooling board form, they're certainly not going to be selling them.
478  Other / Meta / Re: Default Trust Visualisation [Picture Heavy!!!] [14th Sept] on: February 13, 2016, 06:00:42 PM
escrow.ms already removed from DT1, moreover Blazed added to DT1,
you have lagged behind the News Grin

Meh seems the news moved from meta to reputation which no one really uses.
479  Economy / Reputation / Re: Removal of escrow.ms? Update: Recommend users for DT 2, as escrow.ms is removed on: February 13, 2016, 05:59:19 PM
*Silently lifts his hand up in the air in the name of his cat.

If a cat is appointed to DT2 then I will perma afk.
480  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Bitfury: "16nm... sales to public start shortly" on: February 13, 2016, 05:07:55 PM
Its then just a matter of changing tankfulls of boards one at a time.

Why would they remove 28nm stuff when its already paid for and still profitable? The answer I guess is capacity and just how many data centers you want to build, but that's part of the reason they want to sell these to others.
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