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1161  Economy / Reputation / Re: xetsr has put me a negtive trust without reason , Abuser shit on: August 28, 2015, 12:37:59 AM
without reason
Abuser shit

As Rammus would say: Ok.
1162  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: BITMAIN launches 4th generation Bitcoin mining ASIC: BM1385 on: August 28, 2015, 12:32:01 AM
^^ you guys really think so? Even if they got 200-1000 sample chips, that would make 32.5 TH. So what? Antpool is still @70 PH/s. And afaik other big pools haven't increased their hashrate significantly (well maybe a few smaller ones did).

I wouldn't put aside the probability of Bitmain owning private mines. Keeping them off "the grid" is probably the best way to keep good control over Bitcoin from the miner side. Those mines would give them a lot of leeway on their actions.

That's not really how they roll. They likely manage a few farms for private clients (because why not, its cheaper) but they're reasonably transparent about their hashpower. They're also not interested in bullying the network, if the overwhelming majority [of the other power] is voting one way, they'll follow unless its suicide.
1163  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [Guide] Dogie's Comprehensive SpondooliesTech SP30 Setup [HD] on: August 27, 2015, 11:47:22 PM
Anyone running an SP30 with one of the hashboards completely removed?  Is this feasible if one board becomes badly compromised?
I didn't have any problems trying it, although its simpler to simply disable all the loops on the bad board unless its terribly damaged, and then you could try removing the PSU - hashboard electrical connection plate thing to depower the board.
1164  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ANN] Spondoolies-Tech - carrier grade, data center ready mining rigs on: August 27, 2015, 11:45:04 PM
Can you provide proof/links that verify this statement?
See the financial statements section of their SEC filing (also referenced in the article); http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1436229/000149315215003734/form10-q.htm#a_002

Ah, you were referring to BTCS - for a moment there I thought you meant SP-Tech - my bad  Wink

Dogie;

Can you summarize this company and what it has to do with Spons?   Sorry I am out of loop.

tldr they signed a letter of intent to merge [buy and integrate] Spondoolies with various terms, such as a 3 year exclusivity agreement on Spondoolies products, the transfer of staff (Guy, the CFO etc). BTCS made a small % purchase of Spondoolies stock in order to give them enough cash to tide them over while the formalities get done. Either party could theoretically cancel the transaction although there are some pretty harsh cancellation terms. For example, if Spondoolies wanted to "be bought out" by someone else, BTCS would be due $1M IIRC.

The thing is, BCTS don't appear to have enough cash to make this deal work at the crazy valuation they previously put on Spondoolies even if it was a falsely high one. It appears that they were hoping to raise even more money (on top of the $15M they've burnt through), or issue a tonne of shares. Either way, Spondoolies owes me money and isn't paying.
1165  Other / Meta / Re: New posting bot on: August 27, 2015, 01:27:51 PM
Relevant
1166  Other / Meta / Re: Is "account farming" frowned upon. on: August 26, 2015, 04:33:05 PM
If you have to ask, the answer is probably yes, same with most ethical debates.
1167  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ANN] Spondoolies-Tech - carrier grade, data center ready mining rigs on: August 26, 2015, 12:29:24 PM
Can you provide proof/links that verify this statement?
See the financial statements section of their SEC filing (also referenced in the article); http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1436229/000149315215003734/form10-q.htm#a_002

If you just want the raw financials they're here, p&l, balance sheet and cash flow: http://finance.yahoo.com/q/is?s=btcs. In the 3 months to March 2015 they had $38,000 revenue while their costs were $3,380,000.
1168  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ANN] Spondoolies-Tech - carrier grade, data center ready mining rigs on: August 26, 2015, 10:09:43 AM
Edit: They have ramped up mining power by over 350% between Q1 and Q2, so clearly things are happening.

To 140k revenue in 3 months, while also losing 1.3 million in 3 months. They've lost 14 million since starting, never ever made a profit.
1169  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ANN] Spondoolies-Tech - carrier grade, data center ready mining rigs on: August 25, 2015, 05:15:09 PM
Positive spin version:
"We had 2,000% revenue growth. We went from $45,000 in revenue to $145,000 in revenue [quarter over quarter]. We're seeing tremendous growth on the transaction verification services side."
[...]
Allen cited the fact that BTCS is now spending $109 on average to mine 1 BTC

Negative spin version:
[BTCS] reported a net loss of $4.59m for the first half of 2015 in its 10-Q filing with the SEC. The loss represented an increase over the roughly $4m loss incurred over the same period in 2014.
[...]
BTCS indicated that it "expects to incur losses into the foreseeable future".

Or their negative 1.5M balance sheet. Time to call the lawyers.
1170  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [Guide] Dogie's Comprehensive SpondooliesTech SP35 Setup [HD] on: August 25, 2015, 11:01:53 AM
ok, i have a VERY serious question here... i have 22 SP35s and i would like to know how much heat would they all give off so i can figure out what kind of cooling i would need. also, anyone know of any good towers? i would like to set like 3 or 4 of these per tower at minimum. also would 1GBPS fiber lines work for this amount of miners? if so, know of any good hubs? i want to be able to set these up soon and have 20k left to spend on everything to get these running... im making a price shopping list Smiley

~115KW for 22 SP35s, so need either a good dump to ambient or decent evaporative. Racks / tables don't matter, get whatever is cheap but isn't going to fall apart. I'm sure you could find some good Steel and MDF racks for like $50 and spray treat the wood.

Internet requirements for mining are minimal, both bandwidth and speed requirements.
1171  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Request for Discussion: proposal for standard modular rack miner on: August 24, 2015, 03:10:46 PM
Also, PCIe standard (last I checked) provided for a total device power dissipation of 300W. There are nonstandard devices which exceed this, however, but they aren't labeled with the PCIe standard logo. The PCIe standard allows for one 8-pin jack (at 150W) and one 6-pin jack (at 75W) and 75W through the socket.

I don't know about that, my HD7990s had 3x8-pins = 525W and they were official enough.
1172  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: BITMAIN launches 4th generation Bitcoin mining ASIC: BM1385 on: August 24, 2015, 09:29:06 AM
Just curious, but why are we Skipping S6?

Anyone know??
Because of Batman?

Not sure Dogie let us know long ago that we were going to do it.  (I could be wrong but I think he was first).   But it seems to be true and no one really knows when S7 will be released yet.

But the S5+ could have easily had a S6 sticker slapped on it.  But they choose to do the plus model instead.

S4+ was what would have fit into the S6 nomenclature but it was only a small performance increase, so they put a + on the end instead.
1173  Economy / Games and rounds / Re: Dogie's BITMAIN AntMiner S7 "Guess the Price" [Prize] on: August 23, 2015, 03:41:35 PM
Amazing how some people don't read the rules about member levels
Only a few so far are under the required level, but I'll be reasonable and if they've levelled up by the time this closes then I'll accept it.


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Is that 1.7854 or 17854?
1174  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: BITMAIN launches 4th generation Bitcoin mining ASIC: BM1385 on: August 23, 2015, 10:19:59 AM
There will not be S6. dogie said it before.

Personally I would like S7 to be like S2. In this case Bitmain will be able to kill two birds with one stone: release the best mining equipment on Earth (since we don't see any competitors who are ready to offer the mass (not B2B) sales of HW with the same efficiency; but we'll wait for the announce of LKETC 5Th miner though) and keep their promise given to S2 owners about the upgrade kits.

It was quite a while ago when I said that and things do change. That being said, still looks like S7 next.
1175  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Request for Discussion: proposal for standard modular rack miner on: August 22, 2015, 06:33:47 PM
I do have access to an S4+ which could be set on fire and nobody would really complain. Maybe I'll play around with it in a few days when I'm not busy. All the Spondoolies gear is hosted.
The S4+ runs pretty close to its readline at 35-40C so you'll get better data whacking its frequency down first.
1176  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Request for Discussion: proposal for standard modular rack miner on: August 22, 2015, 05:35:25 PM
If someone who knows the mechanics of air cooling can weigh in with a quantitative consideration of front push fans versus rear pull fans versus both would be nice.

Its easiest to show you. If you've got an S4 or S4+ around, remove one of the pair of fans and see, remove the other and see. The one with rear fans will do just about fine, the one with front fans will overheat. If you're really determined, you could try reversing the direction of an SP3X's fans and watch it overheat.
1177  Economy / Games and rounds / Re: Dogie's BITMAIN AntMiner S7 "Guess the Price" [Prize] on: August 22, 2015, 03:50:05 PM
not to take over the thread but  to stop some one from going back and altering their answer you need   a tally like the one above.

Edited posts are shown as edited. If there is a 3 week old post with a fresh edit then its pretty obvious it was changed maliciously.
1178  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Request for Discussion: proposal for standard modular rack miner on: August 22, 2015, 03:36:51 PM
1) With 3x140mm the entire front face is pretty well covered by fans. Looking at bladed miners like the S2, you can tell exactly which boards are between fans by looking at the per-board temps. I'd like to avoid poor-coverage zones like that if possible. The rear fans were dropped to 120mm because of height requirements for fitting in PSUs. If that ends up actually restricting the airflow, we remove them and put in a grill instead. I'm not a fan expert and these points need to be evaluated by someone who is.
Think of the SPXX (all of them Tongue), they used the absolute perfect cooling layouts. You don't need to ram air in because it really doesn't do anything, as evidenced by swapping out SP120s on an S4's front fans not changing the temperatures pretty much at all. You then suck all the air out, in a long, smooth and continuous column. This column can be wedge shaped if your intake is larger than your exhaust and it works fine - air is a wonderful fluid.

Its all about them rear fans, and you certainly don't want grills on your exhaust (see above).


2) The hashboard volume occupies the lower 3U (approximately) of the 4U case. The top 1U is separated from them with an internal panel above the hashboards (which mostly seals them off and keeps main cooling airflow restricted to between the heatsinks and boards) and is where the PSUs, controller and all cabling live.
I think you're going to be super close (see above again) and it might fit on CAD but will probably be prohibitively tight to use IRL.


3) Yes, 1U fans are really annoying. If I'm thinking right, the DPS1200 fan is quieter than the thing on the SP supplies but it's been a while since I fired one up. I prefer server supplies pretty much universally to ATX and would consider installing an ATX supply to be a waste of space, a waste of cost, and really asking for failure.
The fan is far, far far louder than the SP35 which can run 40% fans and its the thing you can hear through walls, floors and really gets to you. It was similar on the SP10 although that PSU was overloaded and the main fans were only 50mm. It was such a shame on the SP35 as the entire unit was quieter than an S5 if you underlocked it enough so that the PSU fans wouldn't spool up to max.


4) Yeah, temp control hadn't been thoroughly discussed hence why I made brief suggestions for both hardware and software control. This point needs to be ironed out.
Regarding characterising ambient intake versus chip temps, how do you suggest we measure ambient intake if not by the same means as measuring exhaust? Additionally, as Novak pointed out, since the board design is deliberately unspecified there is no specific requirement (at present) for this to be true.
a) Put it on a test board in a test case, measure it, see what the rough delta is tracking. Use that in software. It might vary between chip type but you'll still be able to get the delta from your test boards.
b) Ignore ambient and just fan control off chip temp, which is really all you care about. Again as I said above you don't care if its a 60C ambient as long as the chips are happy.


5) There are no screw patterns specified yet, but it seems likely that the outer two mounting holes will be very close to the edges of the heatsink.
I'm no expert in thermal management so the heatsink point should be evaluated by an engineer knowledgeable in that field, make sure we can safely dissipate the heat spec in the volume provided with the expected mass flow of air.
Thermal expansion is a consideration and not an issue. Its countered by using clearance holes to mount the heatsink to the PCBs, so its sliding on the bolthead rather than loading your PCB.


7) The hashboards are specified as 5" tall, which is about 6mm shorter than 3U. If the upper room (cable tray, whatever you want to call it) is at most 1U high, we should come in under this. If that's not good enough (which can be determined without a lot of trouble), I'd probably convert inch-measure specs to metric with a fixed 1" = 25mm conversion which gives another 2mm height reduction to the boards. If that's still not good enough I reckon we'll have to do some tweaking.
In your current layout I don't think things will fit nicely (discussed under 2)), but I was actually referring to external being too large. U racks are explicit in that 4U = 4U, 1mm over and you're impinging on the next 4U of space and pretty soon screw holes don't line up. Which is why I suggested designing for external of <7" rather than =7".


Regarding horizontal width - have you measured many rackable miners for width, or just servers? Most miners I've seen aren't too concerned with rails, which eats about half an inch off each side.
A custom case design is exactly what we'd need anyway, I think, so we should be able to specify our dimensions any way we want that doesn't violate rack requirements of maximum height and width.
Yeah, dimensions are in each individual guide. The majority are thinner than 19".
1179  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Request for Discussion: proposal for standard modular rack miner on: August 22, 2015, 03:36:37 PM
1)  Or have it open across the back to let the air out.

2) No, the PSUs go over the top of the fans, not beside them.  Hence the 4U.

4) Not really any reason to use thermocouples over any other board mounted temp sensor with a cable alongside the USB.  I agree that a totally separate thermocouple is probably asking for trouble.  It's not correct to assume that you would know the input and output air temperature as the number of boards and the type of boards is explicitly undefined.

6) No more than 8 PCBs would fit given the heat sinks, but that many would not be required.

--
novak

1) is worse than closed, as seen on the S4 testing. The initial cases had an open mesh next to the fans but it does performance because of this... *searches for picture*. You could actually feel this behavior with your hand and reduced the effectiveness of the rear fans significantly. Later models were



2) That's going to be a tight, tight squeeze along that side. Just drop a fan and mount the PSUs peacefully.
170-175mm external
= 166-171mm internal
Fan = 120mm
5-10mm spacing
= 36-41mm for an unmounted 44mm PSU. Putting the PSU above a huge fan like this is also a nono as it suffocates the PSU's fan which generates significantly lower static pressure. So you end up with barely any air movement there or sometimes backwards airflow. Its more of a problem when you use negative pressure flow but its still a design concern with positive pressure. Its the reason you see PSU "compartments" sectioning off the airflow - like in the S4, S4+ and SP3X.


4) What I was really trying to say is that the only temperatures you care about are your chip temps. If its 60C ambient and your chips are still fine there's no reason to stop mining.


15 mm spacing between the fans is way excessive. 5 would be more than enough to allow for the differences in fan size tolerances.
 The specified "size" of a fan is the outside dimension of the fan housing, NOT the diameter of the blade (except for "no housing" type fans).
1) Its not 15mm between fans, its 15mm total between case fan fan fan PSU PSU case. Yes fans are measured / rated across their linear dimension. 120mm fans are usually + / - 0.3mm, you do need a gap between all those components and all mounting holes will have a tolerance. You're not going to be comfortable with less than 12-15mm across all those things.


He was looking at overall length to figure physical mounting dimensions and limits, not for thermal stress calculations.
It was in reply to 2112 who was talking about thermal stress.


1180  Economy / Games and rounds / Re: Dogie's BITMAIN AntMiner S7 "Guess the Price" [Prize] on: August 22, 2015, 02:00:20 PM
Well i wanted to make sure i was in on this.. But it seems i wasnt supposed to post along with the entry.. My bad for not reading further on your post.  Im re-posting my guess. Thanks Dogie

I've striken through that instruction, was going to use a bot to pick out the answers but it seems to be working fine with comments in the same posts. You can delete one of your posts.
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