Ragingazn, I remember you saying you were talking to BkkCoin from the Klondike thread about reserving boards. Would it be possible to coordinate so that those of us from this group buy who want to can get in on that order?

I'm technically *able* to contract and have my own Klondike boards printed, I need to look at what BkkCoin has released so far. Last time I looked it wasn't a complete design on github yet. Since I only have 70 chips though, it would be easier for me to just ride along on a bigger order.

If Klondike releases a full schematic and parts list soon enough, I can help coordinate having an American assembler on a just-in-time delivery schedule, for those interested.

Cheers~

We still can't see light at the end of the tunnel, was so near but yet so far ... the butterfly journey as told by Josh the Caterpillar

The age of customer Darwin-ism?

Purging the occasional toxic customer will be better for everybody. Maybe he can go buy some more USB sticks from ASICMINER now. Those seem like a totally solid investment...

I have that in mind from day 1!
I will try to find something for you in advance before samples come out:)
When arer you going to need them Yesterday?

No jocks when do you think you will get to the point that lack of chips will stop the development?

Calm down dude

Ok, ill add, important info. But i guess you will get many requests for shipping.

Given that it is now the second half of May and they haven't even finished development of 3 of the 4 of their products how could they have legitimately believed they were going to ship within a month at the time? Even if they had a working prototype they couldn't have done it. They didn't even have a working ASIC!

It should be quite obvious to anyone that that claim at the time (last fall) was nothing more than pure fraud intended to boost their pre-orders and scare off competitors.

Why are they not being investigated by state attorney generals or why is there no class action lawsuit being organized against them?

There is no way they can claim that they actually believed they would be able to ship a product at that time. No one is going to believe that a company was that completely ignorant as to the sechedule it takes to develop, test, produce, and ship an ASIC.

I'd like to see their e-mails and records subpoenaed so we can really see what was going on in the company at that time.

Now that Avalon Batch 2 is shipping, with batch 3 and the discrete chips not far behind, BFL hardware with be worthless when it finally does arrive. And a honest, fair estimate is about 3-4 months for just the first 10,000 units. Let's look at the schedule:

2-4 weeks for BFL to figure out the kinks in their single SC board.
2 weeks to order chips, assemble a couple of single SC machines, and ship them out to reviewers
2 weeks to receive enough chips and get the new PCBs made in large enough quantity
2 weeks to ramp up assembly
2 weeks to package and ship
10 weeks of production to make 10,000 units assuming they can make 1000 a week (it's ambitious).
Add in another 4 weeks for potential delays, of which there is always something

That's about 3-4 months just to get started making a dent in the backlog of pre-orders they have. By then we might even be seeing home-made Avalon ASIC machines out there mining.

If you don't believe it will take this long, look how long it's been since they got the first Jalapeno working and how many people have them? It takes a while to go from "prototype" to ramping up production to significant volume. And they don't even have a working prototype for the single SC/minirig right now.

We would need solder stencils with and without the ASICs in place as I bet a fair number of boards will be assembled without the ASICs and it would be better when placing the ASICs on unpopulated boards to have clean pads instead of solder puddled up on the pads.