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and if spondoo relies on dogie's ratings for selling their miners, business would seems to be quite dreadful..
Certainly not. Still, it's a lie and I can't let it go without setting the record straight. |
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The criteria did not change, nor the way that I enforce it. In December I added more descriptive text to all the criterion so I didn't have to keep repeating myself throughout the thread - the descriptions act as an FAQ. For example I was asked what was company size about 20 times which you can search for in this thread.
Why not post the differences of the text for everyone to see it? Show us what was written pre-December so we can compare to the present text. Will you do it or will you chicken out? I'm not on trial here, nor do I have to prove my 'innocence'. Even so, I checked and the oldest version dropbox archived is 9th Jan 2015. There is an internet archive version here from October which shows the only description was: Preorders?
Preorders are a recipe for disaster and puts all the risk on the buyer. As I said, I added more descriptive text. Continue avoidance and BS-ing. Lier. |
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... @SPT - 35 USD to ship an SD card??
and if i were to pay using the 150USD coupon you will invalidate the remaining 115 USD??
Please keep it!
As to the burnt connectors, they were not 'officially reported' but extensively discussed on the forum late last year.
Can i use the 150 USD for replacing these? I assume they wont cost that much.
Although the shipping may make it a complete waste of time if 35USD for a 1g SD card is anything to go by...
We'll upload an experimental version of the recovery SD, you'll be able to test it yourself. I'll check about the connectors. You'll need to do the modifications yourself. The shipping will be probably more expensive. |
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Woke up.
Outright lies and inaccuracies.
You're a joke.
I am glad you have come to the same conclusion many of us have had for well over a year. Getting him to recant is impossible. All you can do now is POST clarifications anywhere you spot him lying. Well, I physically woke up, and replied. I do intend to keep posting that WE DON'T TAKE PRE-ORDERS after each time he'll update his "guide" and keep the lie. |
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Yup,another ASIC company goin for the big guys only  Hope you make alot of money...............  Shoulda forked BTC to X11,13,15 or whatever when we had the chance late 2012  I think that there is a difference still. As I wrote, unfortunately, this is where BTC mining is going. I don't like it as well. |
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Our next gen, later this year won't be suitable for home mining.
Please simple answer do your company want sale me 3rd gen miner SP-100 16 kw like 3x pcs nano farm SP-100 250-300 th or mini farm 15x SP100 whitout power supply and whitout Rackmount Cases. Also is possible bay SP-31 without PSU 1) I never called it SP100 or anything else but "3rd gen initial form factor" 2) It's still far from knowing the exact quantities and bundles we'll sell it 3) We'll sell it with Rack mount and PSUs 4) We can't sell the SP31 without the PSUs 5) I'm guessing that you have your own immersion cooling effort. We can sell you 2nd gen ASICs (RockerBox) along with the SP3x production files. The order will need to be substantial and we'll have limited ability to support your effort. Contact sales@ |
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I know, no rush as i still need to get rid of antminers  In my eyes there are basically two manufactures making hardware. Bitmain and Spondoolie. I've owned KNC, Avalon, Butterfly and others, but right now in the game I think are just these two. I know Bitmain will eventually come out with more home mining solutions for a little while more, but it sounds like Spondoolie is only out to cater bulk orders and more commercial going forward. Is that safe to say? I think the SP20 was just a field test to see how it would work out. I think the only form factors we will be seeing from Spondoolie will be rack mountable only. What this industry needs to do is follow what is working, the computer industry. Make a miner using a 2U form factor (or larger) and have multiple blades in it where you can easily remove/replace/upgrade. Who wants to keep buying these monster machines when all you need is an upgraded blade. Would keep costs down, secure the company customer loyalty since their blades will only fit in their cases. Of course new software and controller boards need to be made to be able to handle many different configurations. Isn't everyone tired of buying whole entire rigs when you really don't need to? I can just imagine myself walking into the data center, powering off my 10TH 2U Spondoolie rig, remove one of the 1TH blades and insert the new 3TH blade that just came out on the market. Can basically go from 10TH to 30TH by just swapping some blades. We don't need to keep shipping these monster 2U's all over the world. They take up to much space and there has to be some good R&D out there to make something like this happen, no? This also would give everyone a price point they can afford. Not everyone can't buy the latest and greatest new stuff that comes out. And course power draw would be calculated on what blades you have in the box. Maybe three PSU's. 2 to handle 30TH and one for backup. Some posts you probably didn't read: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=521520.msg10548252#msg10548252https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=872014.msg10596723#msg10596723https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=521520.msg10551548#msg10551548Yes, I miss a lot since most of it is technical and just getting the time to catch up on some threads takes forever. The party is over folks. Spondoolie said it themselves they are only interested in large/bulk/farm type business model going forward. We the consumer's were a big part in making that happen. It is sad to see a good manufacture doesn't want to cater to the whole market. Just deep pockets now. Capitalism at it's best. Wish everyone luck. I think bitcoin peaked anyway. I doubt we will ever see $500 again. Adios. opentoe=pessimistic Another one you've missed: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=521520.msg10552064#msg10552064 |
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1PbhCD56EE1ur45UvTca5wEUkAPpTi25oq ...
Their saying the definetly WILL NOT produce consumer models for their next gen...
What I said was that our initial form factor for the 3rd gen will be suitable for bulk buyers. Please read my last messages. This is fine, as long as that grade is not required at a truck load to buy. I could buy a single 16kw unit. no issue, would like to buy from you and not from a third party, unless you plan to have authorized resellers? We'll probably sell single units as well. It's not a promise though. I believe that a much better model for a small buyers will be to buy some small percentage of a shared mine. good I need something (or a legit co-op non profit preferred or small data mine operation with a couple of guys) to string out my equip deprecation of 25% off in taxes due in 2016 and 2017 (5 years) would help the hit I took in equip purchases vs coin made with this biz option...(have paid no taxes so far...same looks likely for 2015 in my equip to btc/ltc) would be nice to get that last bit those last 2 years to round it off to all my equp being 25% off with no taxes due (a balance between equip and coin made etc) now if btc/ltc were to go to 1k a coin i'd just pay my taxes due and smile....but looking at options for those who 1) want to still mine hobby or otherwise or 2) are in my boat and the difficulty vs miners (home or otherwise) I can afford are drying up It is unlikely that 'cloud mining' would apply to the above (IRS imho would consider that an "investment') with the home miner setup and home biz (the IRS likes my pics) this has not been an issue any options feel free to post here or anyone can pm me.....but I ASSUME again..that options other then 'cloud hosting' and 'home mining' are being considered by folk anyway fishing about for info (by the by a bank error and filing with SEC in USA forced me to 'file as a legit biz' you can pm me for details I realize this only applies to those of us in my position or that chose to be legal miners in USA ....on a side note...it seems to have worked out well for me due to btc/ltc's fall in value etc...but I would prefer a rebound in prices like us all) complete the full 25% off of equip paid in taxes due (real $$$) Searing, Don't get offended, but it's very hard for me to understand your posts. Can you reply in 1-2 lines what you want / need ? sorry trying to defend self from the pm's saying why the hell am i paying taxes on mining and have it as a biz what (if you can tell me) are your options different in the future (if any) from just plain 'cloud mining' per say.....as I probably did not say well above...i need equip i can afford that kinda/sorta in some manner looks like it would make sense to use with some guys in a co-op non profit venture or small group of miners sharing equip or something like that to round out my miner biz to get the tax breaks of 25% off my equip in the 5 year period ...more or less..I can't just toss money at the problem it has to make at least close to a profit vs equip and coin mined.....(again straight cloud mining is probably considered investing ..in a mine so to speak vs working a mine so to speak) so again besides cloud mining or just plain having to buy a 20k or more miner now..and/or no more home miners of any note what if any other options by spondoolies or others may be being considered at this point in time ...seems to me like a big gap between full out cloud miner investments vs home miner option .....looking for smaller group miner and or equip options co-op or shared equip or otherwise.....but on a SMALL scale ...(still the home miner budget don' t ya know) it could be that this is no longer possible and I will have to wrap up my equip depreciation and investment as such 2 years early w/o the benifit of showing revenue the IRS would accept (ie mining etc) ...but I ran a biz game server/bbs as a co-op years ago so fishing for options that anyone may have heard of or coinsidering to fill this gap i see or home miner vs cloud mining vs no other options Searing, I tried. I really tried. What we currently offer is SP31 and cloud mining through our partnership with Genesis Mining. At current rate, we'll probably sell all our SP31 within 1-2 months. Our next gen, later this year won't be suitable for home mining. I hope my reply answer your questions. If not, I'm sorry. |
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Can you say anything about the expected development time for gen 3?
Are we looking at weeks, months, years?
Few months. We have two parallel efforts, each with different risk / reward and timeframe. It's not around the corner, we need to squeeze the most from 28, since we don't do FinFET yet. Do you know at this point whether you will be going with small, medium, or large chips? (small being <2W) Similar to our 2nd gen, 80-100 Watt ASICs. |
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1PbhCD56EE1ur45UvTca5wEUkAPpTi25oq ...
Their saying the definetly WILL NOT produce consumer models for their next gen...
What I said was that our initial form factor for the 3rd gen will be suitable for bulk buyers. Please read my last messages. This is fine, as long as that grade is not required at a truck load to buy. I could buy a single 16kw unit. no issue, would like to buy from you and not from a third party, unless you plan to have authorized resellers? We'll probably sell single units as well. It's not a promise though. I believe that a much better model for a small buyers will be to buy some small percentage of a shared mine. good I need something (or a legit co-op non profit preferred or small data mine operation with a couple of guys) to string out my equip deprecation of 25% off in taxes due in 2016 and 2017 (5 years) would help the hit I took in equip purchases vs coin made with this biz option...(have paid no taxes so far...same looks likely for 2015 in my equip to btc/ltc) would be nice to get that last bit those last 2 years to round it off to all my equp being 25% off with no taxes due (a balance between equip and coin made etc) now if btc/ltc were to go to 1k a coin i'd just pay my taxes due and smile....but looking at options for those who 1) want to still mine hobby or otherwise or 2) are in my boat and the difficulty vs miners (home or otherwise) I can afford are drying up It is unlikely that 'cloud mining' would apply to the above (IRS imho would consider that an "investment') with the home miner setup and home biz (the IRS likes my pics) this has not been an issue any options feel free to post here or anyone can pm me.....but I ASSUME again..that options other then 'cloud hosting' and 'home mining' are being considered by folk anyway fishing about for info (by the by a bank error and filing with SEC in USA forced me to 'file as a legit biz' you can pm me for details I realize this only applies to those of us in my position or that chose to be legal miners in USA ....on a side note...it seems to have worked out well for me due to btc/ltc's fall in value etc...but I would prefer a rebound in prices like us all) complete the full 25% off of equip paid in taxes due (real $$$) Searing, Don't get offended, but it's very hard for me to understand your posts. Can you reply in 1-2 lines what you want / need ? |
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I know, no rush as i still need to get rid of antminers In my eyes there are basically two manufactures making hardware. Bitmain and Spondoolie. I've owned KNC, Avalon, Butterfly and others, but right now in the game I think are just these two. I know Bitmain will eventually come out with more home mining solutions for a little while more, but it sounds like Spondoolie is only out to cater bulk orders and more commercial going forward. Is that safe to say? I think the SP20 was just a field test to see how it would work out. I think the only form factors we will be seeing from Spondoolie will be rack mountable only. What this industry needs to do is follow what is working, the computer industry. Make a miner using a 2U form factor (or larger) and have multiple blades in it where you can easily remove/replace/upgrade. Who wants to keep buying these monster machines when all you need is an upgraded blade. Would keep costs down, secure the company customer loyalty since their blades will only fit in their cases. Of course new software and controller boards need to be made to be able to handle many different configurations. Isn't everyone tired of buying whole entire rigs when you really don't need to? I can just imagine myself walking into the data center, powering off my 10TH 2U Spondoolie rig, remove one of the 1TH blades and insert the new 3TH blade that just came out on the market. Can basically go from 10TH to 30TH by just swapping some blades. We don't need to keep shipping these monster 2U's all over the world. They take up to much space and there has to be some good R&D out there to make something like this happen, no? This also would give everyone a price point they can afford. Not everyone can't buy the latest and greatest new stuff that comes out. And course power draw would be calculated on what blades you have in the box. Maybe three PSU's. 2 to handle 30TH and one for backup. Some posts you probably didn't read: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=521520.msg10548252#msg10548252https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=872014.msg10596723#msg10596723https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=521520.msg10551548#msg10551548 |
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Can you say anything about the expected development time for gen 3?
Are we looking at weeks, months, years?
Few months. We have two parallel efforts, each with different risk / reward and timeframe. It's not around the corner, we need to squeeze the most from 28, since we don't do FinFET yet. |
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Their saying the definetly WILL NOT produce consumer models for their next gen...
What I said was that our initial form factor for the 3rd gen will be suitable for bulk buyers. Please read my last messages. This is fine, as long as that grade is not required at a truck load to buy. I could buy a single 16kw unit. no issue, would like to buy from you and not from a third party, unless you plan to have authorized resellers? We'll probably sell single units as well. It's not a promise though. I believe that a much better model for a small buyers will be to buy some small percentage of a shared mine. |
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The criteria did not change, nor the way that I enforce it. In December I added more descriptive text to all the criterion so I didn't have to keep repeating myself throughout the thread - the descriptions act as an FAQ.
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Show me a proof that you've posted an explanation about your "pre-order" criteria relating to next gen "business model" BS before December. Dogie, you're simply a lier. Guy |
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Morning!
Can the 2 psu's in sp3x be powered 5 to 10seconds apart? don't want to shock to much the electric circuits in my house:)
Thank you!
Yes, no issue at all. |
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Morning!
Can the 2 psu's in sp3x be powered 5 to 10seconds apart? don't want to shock to much the electric circuits in my house:)
Thank you!
Checking. It's the weekend ... |
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Its getting very expensive because of a monopoly of the technology, or lack or competition, or monopolizing the the industry because of trade secrets and cost of development, to mine a speculative crypto currency.
Because the people developing the miners, are realizing it's easier and more profitable to deal with big farms, or simply mine for themselves, than to deal with every whiney ass customer with a complaint. If spondoolie is smart, they release bulk sales only, and allow only authorized dealers to resell, let them deal with the people. Let spon spend their time on new tech! That philosophy was declared by BFL Josh. Not sure how it's going to work out for them in the long run. decentralized currency = more decentralized more reward = less data center = more reward. please release something sponfoolies so i can get some more equipent. Hey @ChineseSavior, it's nice to see your change of heart ( https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=521520.msg9800379#msg9800379). Unfortunately, it seems that Bitcoin is going towards large scale mega mining by 3-4 companies - BitFury, AntPool ( https://blockchain.info/pools - 20% !), KNC and maybe later also 21e6 (if they'll be able to create a competitive next gen) and SFARDS (with their upcoming 16) If we want to compete in this market, we must create a form factor suitable for rapid mass deployment. If the market conditions will allow it, we might attempt another small form factor, more suitable for the home miner. I've posted something about "share mines" in our thread, this might be another offerings for the little guys. The SP20 turned into a great success in our community, but was it simply not at the price point you would have liked to sell it at in quantity? It almost seems to me "too" well made, only in that it's harder to keep competitive price-wise when it comes to comparing hardware specs when the package you're offering is of greater quality. The new Avalon (apart from being too little too late in the tech department) seems to be suffering a considerably worse fate in the same regard. We lost on the SP20. It came a bit too late and the price crash didn't help. [We don't cut corners (e.g. embedded controller, etc) and we use dc2dc which means that the BOM is higher.] |
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Does the SP31 need 220?
No, but the hash-rate will be lower due to increased PSU loss. Hmm, I'll have to see if I can get 220 run since there's no more sp20s :p Good strategy  |
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Its getting very expensive because of a monopoly of the technology, or lack or competition, or monopolizing the the industry because of trade secrets and cost of development, to mine a speculative crypto currency.
Because the people developing the miners, are realizing it's easier and more profitable to deal with big farms, or simply mine for themselves, than to deal with every whiney ass customer with a complaint. If spondoolie is smart, they release bulk sales only, and allow only authorized dealers to resell, let them deal with the people. Let spon spend their time on new tech! That philosophy was declared by BFL Josh. Not sure how it's going to work out for them in the long run. decentralized currency = more decentralized more reward = less data center = more reward. please release something sponfoolies so i can get some more equipent. Hey @ChineseSavior, it's nice to see your change of heart ( https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=521520.msg9800379#msg9800379). Unfortunately, it seems that Bitcoin is going towards large scale mega mining by 3-4 companies - BitFury, AntPool ( https://blockchain.info/pools - 20% !), KNC and maybe later also 21e6 (if they'll be able to create a competitive next gen) and SFARDS (with their upcoming 16) If we want to compete in this market, we must create a form factor suitable for rapid mass deployment. If the market conditions will allow it, we might attempt another small form factor, more suitable for the home miner. I've posted something about "share mines" in our thread, this might be another offerings for the little guys. |
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