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581  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Religion in the society on: September 27, 2021, 09:12:06 PM
Religion teaches us to be kind to everyone. save and love fellow human beings and the universe. not to fight each other and make riots.

Which one?

They all say you will burn in hell for eternity if you don't follow their rules.

Show me one scripture that does not list penalties for not following God's commandments.

PS. All humanity will go to one version of hell (Muslim, Christian, or Jewish) or the other, lol?  Souls will be split I guess.  Muslims will go to Muslim heaven but go to Christian and Jewish hell and vice versa, all at the same time. ROFL.
582  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Best Way to Refer to the society? on: September 26, 2021, 07:56:45 PM
We all live in a place and an environment which we deem fit for us,
We care for it in our capacity and with the little way we can in making it better.
These couple with others has made some people classified the society in their
own way or normal societal way, so how should the society be referred, that will
make it more better for the entity living in it?

Should it be referred to as "MY SOCIETY" in personal terms or
                                       "OUR SOCIETY" for the benefit of all?


It is neither.  It is just "The society" you happen to live in at the moment.

If you immigrate to another country, you will be living in another 'society', lol.
Just a bunch of H. sapiens living in the same area.

You don't own it (hence it is not 'my', 'your', or 'our'), and if you are smart about
how you structure your personal affairs, it does not own you.
583  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Abortion should be banned. on: September 25, 2021, 07:49:04 PM
Why do you think abortion should be banned? You know that if birth rate is not controlled, there will be too much birth rate which can lead to over population and making things hard for we all.

It is clear you do not understand the ills of abortion by your view of what is discussed here. How does killing of unborn babies help in birth control when an approach of preventing the pregnancy in the first place can be adopted. People can have sex without bringing babies through protection or family planning and that is the birth control. But once she gets pregnant and removes it that is bad because it is killing of a baby.

Is a 7-week old fetus a baby?
584  Other / Politics & Society / Re: How ethnicity and religion has lead to backwardness of most African on: September 25, 2021, 06:18:39 PM
Every individuals had the right to belong to any religion or ethnic group they desire.

Using Nigeria as a case study, these terms politics, ethnicity and religion are use interchangeably because in practice they are the same.

Religious bodies are not different with political parties because they are fused together.

All the corruption, money laundering, killings, kidnapping, unemployment, poverty and political instability are caused by bringing religion and ethnicity into politics.

The word you are looking for is tribalism.

Religions, ethnicities, linguistic markers are just innate human desires to belong to a tribe.

It forms the basis of how one mentally divides people into heterogeneous groups.

This always leads to social conflict.

Religions are followed by the vast majority of the human population so people will have an unlimited source of reasons to hate others.
Both within and outside of their own religions.  Look at the Christian, Jewish, Muslim denominations. 
The followers of each denomination would tell you they are following the 'right' version of their religion. LOL.
585  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Christians should participate in politics on: September 25, 2021, 05:59:37 PM
Preach!!! Christains should dominate every sector. That is the easiest way we can impact this world.
that impact won't be positive. so no. history speaks for itself. having religious nuts on every corner of politics will just lead to chaos. like I said before, a religious person doesn't mean that person is a good person or will be a good politician

Government, also, is a religion.     Cool
did they change the meaning of religion? or did you just gave it a different meaning to justify your views?

+1

Not only that.  One can turn into a Christian, Jew, or Muslim in a split second.  It means nothing to say I am so and so.

I am all for meritocracy.  I would want the smartest, most skilled people in the government, not some schmucks who can't spell their names, but can say "I am a born again Christian".  

Religious affiliation does not add anything to one's resume.  People who think that it does are not thinking straight.

Ask them: "Should Muslims dominate every sector?"

One might be able to take the name of a a different religion any time he wants. But if it doesn't take a length of time, he is lying. Take yourself for example. You could easily lie and say that you have turned Christian or Jew or Muslim, back and forth any number of times in the hour. But if you haven't been lying about your atheism all along, it would really take a long time for you to truthfully change into one of these three.

Your rant against born again Christians, if you are sincere, shows that you haven't really taken Christianity to heart in examination, no matter how much of it you learned in class.

It's not what is written on a job resume that counts. Rather, it is what is in the heart that counts. Ask yourself, Would you accept a true Christian faster than he would accept you... on the job, or in life? Would you be more fun to work with than the Christian? Which of you, when working together, would cause the better production?

A Muslim is very similar to an atheist. The simple difference is that the Muslim says there is a god. The better acting person is often the atheist, because he has been raised in a generally Christian society. It comes automatically for him, even though he is an atheist.

Cool

If I was hiring someone for a decision-making position, I would not hire anyone who thinks that Earth is 10,000 years old,
that global flood actually happened, that snake could talk or that someone can just create a human from dirt or rib bone.
No matter how good the person might be. 

I would question their education, ability to critically process information, and their judgment.

For a menial job, yeah, no problem.  These irrational beliefs would not matter much unless they would tell me they actually hear
God's voice. That would disqualify them from any job as it would be a clinical symptom of some mental disorder.

BTW, there are many atheists who were born into non-Christian religious cults.
586  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Christians should participate in politics on: September 25, 2021, 08:53:48 AM
Preach!!! Christains should dominate every sector. That is the easiest way we can impact this world.
that impact won't be positive. so no. history speaks for itself. having religious nuts on every corner of politics will just lead to chaos. like I said before, a religious person doesn't mean that person is a good person or will be a good politician

Government, also, is a religion.     Cool
did they change the meaning of religion? or did you just gave it a different meaning to justify your views?

+1

Not only that.  One can turn into a Christian, Jew, or Muslim in a split second.  It means nothing to say I am so and so.

I am all for meritocracy.  I would want the smartest, most skilled people in the government, not some schmucks who can't spell their names, but can say "I am a born again Christian".  

Religious affiliation does not add anything to one's resume.  People who think that it does are not thinking straight.

Ask them: "Should Muslims dominate every sector?"
587  Other / Politics & Society / Re: George Soros : financial or social terrorist ? on: September 25, 2021, 08:40:41 AM
Thanks for your answer af_newbie.

May I ask you why you fear nationalism and to what do you oppose it? globalism? one worldism?

I fear more predatory behaviors, for example socialism who will promise unfounded liabilities and try to extract them from foreign nations...

Nationalism leads to discrimination, war, and eventually to atrocities.  Every time it was tried.

It is a form of primitive tribalism.  It appeals to the very animalistic human instincts.  My pack vs the other pack.

I oppose socialism, communism, nationalism, and fascism.  I am against equality of outcome.
I feel that socialism and communism are utopian ideologies that always lead to wealth destruction and political despotism.

I am for free-market capitalism and deregulation.  I support equality of opportunity.

I think that the environment is one thing that capitalist societies failed to protect.

We do not suppose to shit in the bowl from which we eat.  
That is one area where I would want the government to reign in capitalism.

I am not sure we are quite ready as humanity to have one global government just yet.  
It is inevitable, but intellectually we are not ready.  
Animal tribalism is in a way; supported by abstract concepts such as religious and ethnic/linguistic identities, patriotism, nationalism, etc.
588  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Christians should participate in politics on: September 24, 2021, 07:14:39 PM
The world today is suffering because alot of Christians don't participate in Today politics, especially in Africa, they see politics as a sin a thing of the devil, when the bad people become leaders they complain and keep praying, it's high time Christian leaders start participating in Politics, The perspective should change, and the world will be a better Nation, E.G Abraham Lincoln was a Christian leader who involved in politics and he was able to defeat all his enemies physically and spiritually.

Let's keep religion out of politics and out of government.  

Keep your preferred ancient myth to yourself and your psychiatrist.

Nobody needs to hear about your delusion.

All you are doing is trying to push your religion as the only religion in government. The First Amendment has as it first part of importance, religious freedom. What that means is that religion is in government, in all its forms, so that there is basic freedom for all.

I'm not asking you to admit that you are anti-American.

Cool

Religious freedom implies freedom from religion.  
You are free to practice whatever religion you want, but not to force your religious beliefs on others.
That is not freedom, that is religious despotism.

Government should be secular so that it can remain impartial to any religion.

Nobody is banning your religion.  
Build as many mosques, synagogues, churches as you want, as long as you don't commit any crimes
(child molestation, underage sex, physical abuse, fraud, tax evasion) you can practice any religion you want.  

That is what religious freedom means.

Secular government guarantees that religious freedom.  
589  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Christians should participate in politics on: September 24, 2021, 02:56:55 PM
The world today is suffering because alot of Christians don't participate in Today politics, especially in Africa, they see politics as a sin a thing of the devil, when the bad people become leaders they complain and keep praying, it's high time Christian leaders start participating in Politics, The perspective should change, and the world will be a better Nation, E.G Abraham Lincoln was a Christian leader who involved in politics and he was able to defeat all his enemies physically and spiritually.

Let's keep religion out of politics and out of government.  

Keep your preferred ancient myth to yourself and your psychiatrist.

Nobody needs to hear about your delusion.
590  Other / Politics & Society / Re: George Soros : financial or social terrorist ? on: September 24, 2021, 02:06:05 PM

Do you think Soros is on the left?  He is a perfect example of a clever capitalist who uses any means and opportunity to enrich himself.

If you think this is wrong, then you are on the left my friend.

Most people in the West don't have a clue what being on the left really entails. 
They call anyone who is for education and science, equality of sexes, races, or genders, or who is pro-choice a leftist socialist.  ROFL.

Capitalism is the best system ever devised but it does not mean that we have to be Bronze Age imbeciles when it comes to progressive values.

PS. Why would anyone think I work for Soros is beyond me.  Take your meds.

Ok Af_Newbie I'll give you that about Soros 100% that Soros is a capitalist but a crony capitalist at that which is where the Westernized capitalist system is headed fully. Soros funds both the left and the right against one another so he can collapse whole countries. Watch that video its a short entry of what the man does on a daily basis of currency manipulation or long term what probably happened to Venezuela and soon the United States. He does this so that he can buy assets for pennies on the dollar.

Speaking of Nazis and Venezuala, do you know what Nazi means? National Socialist Party, and yet you on the left clamor for socialism and do the exact same thing as the brown shirts of Hitler's party. The people of Venezuala were dumb enough to vote for socialist policies and became more damned economically and culturally than if they were under Stalin or Hitler. I get it in some ways we should change and reform certain things but overall besides division dictated by the ruling class and the media I'd say we have a pretty good society removing present COVID controls.

Western social democracies are at risk of becoming crony capitalist or fascist economies if they don't rein in corporate lobbying, corruption, nationalism, fix the integrity of the electoral process.  Fascism can come from the left (Germany) or the right (Italy).

Hitler was as poor as a church mouse, he was still a socialist when he wrote his Mein Kampf.  He had a savior complex, wanted to save the German Volks from communism and global capitalists.  He started his political career as a socialist and a nationalist.  But once he gained power, he quickly realized that he needed capitalists' support, so Germany turned into a nationalist, fascist, capitalist state.  The Nazi party retained the 'socialist' name from its early days.

Democracy needs to be protected from the left (Hitler/AOC) and the right (Mussolini/Trump) demagogues.  The biggest danger I see in Western democracies is nationalism and socialism.  It can lead to unintended consequences.

Protect the electoral system from foreign and domestic interference, root out nationalists, corrupted politicians, protect the environment and deregulate the businesses (no minimum wage, restructure employment laws to strip workers of any rights, bring more cheap, foreign
workers, etc.), restructure the higher education system (set up national entrance exams (SAT is a joke and an embarrassment to the world), eliminate non-academic scholarships, eliminate racial, socio-economic quotas).

BTW, people like Soros will be successful regardless of who is running the show. 
591  Other / Politics & Society / Re: George Soros : financial or social terrorist ? on: September 24, 2021, 04:03:43 AM
Furthermore should alll people who worked directly or indirectly for any of his organisation, be classified as their master?

I think it would be interesting to move thing legally, and ban them from the universe, him, his family and more importantly minions, worldwide.

To hunt them down for what they are in my own little opinion : enemies of mankind.

His organization and all people working for him will be crunched.

Time is irrelevant.

edit : furthermore I firmly actually believe that anyone getting close to his son (alexander sorros) has to be flagged as an EoM & and if putting down sorros means to have to obliterate ivanka trump or nato, so be it. to be crystal clear.

Why do you hate George Soros?

Because he is a rich Jew and a capitalist?  Are you a communist?

Are you his PR rep? How can you stick up for a guy that thinks that during Nazi Germany it was his "Happy Making time". How could anyone be happy during that era of hell.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGWizajL7tA
If I were in his shoes, I would do the same thing, and I would not feel guilty about it.

As he said, if it were not him, someone else would confiscate properties from Jews.  He was just a 14-year-old spectator.
He knew the stuff Christian Nazis were doing to Jews was evil, but he was smart enough to play Christian and save his ass.  

He saw it as a learning experience of how to anticipate events before they happen.

He was born into the Jewish cult; he was/is not religious and did/does not believe in God.

One has no control over which family or religious cult one is born into.

It seems strange that some people feel hate for the guy they don't even know.  

Sour grapes that he made his billions and they did not, I guess.

Well consider this your resume and you got the job Af_newbie working for Soros. Congratulations!

Hopefully one day you'll learn not to grovel to the system so much that it leads to your own demise. As he was saying in the video besides it being a happy making time for him. The Jews groveled to the Nazis and lost everything he said that could have been him as he slowed his roll  carefully composing himself as a slip up would cost him face but he already slipped up. I would not feel bad if the same regulators he funds took him out of business. If not him it would be someone else.

The mantra of the left is:

"It doesn't matter to me as it isn't happening to me follow the system... But when it does then maybe I'll care...."

Do you think Soros is on the left?  He is a perfect example of a clever capitalist who uses any means and opportunity to enrich himself.

If you think this is wrong, then you are on the left my friend.

Most people in the West don't have a clue what being on the left really entails. 
They call anyone who is for education and science, equality of sexes, races, or genders, or who is pro-choice a leftist socialist.  ROFL.

Capitalism is the best system ever devised but it does not mean that we have to be Bronze Age imbeciles when it comes to progressive values.

PS. Why would anyone think I work for Soros is beyond me.  Take your meds.
592  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Religion in the society on: September 24, 2021, 03:44:34 AM

Do you have teachers in your religion who teach you to respond like that? Or is it part of your own designing?

Cool

I will make it easy for you.  Since you are craving for it.

My teacher is the reason and logic, also known as Lucifer in your circles. ROFL.

Why talk about logic and reason all of a sudden? They are part of essentially every religion. Or does  your ROLF mean that you don't like logic and reason? At least that would clarify, a little, why you talk the way you do.

Cool

I don't think you will ever understand how to think logically.  Religions are based on faith, not reason.

Why talk about logic and reason?  Because your responses are incoherent babbling, outright lies, or complete nonsense.
593  Other / Politics & Society / Re: George Soros : financial or social terrorist ? on: September 23, 2021, 11:47:19 PM
Furthermore should alll people who worked directly or indirectly for any of his organisation, be classified as their master?

I think it would be interesting to move thing legally, and ban them from the universe, him, his family and more importantly minions, worldwide.

To hunt them down for what they are in my own little opinion : enemies of mankind.

His organization and all people working for him will be crunched.

Time is irrelevant.

edit : furthermore I firmly actually believe that anyone getting close to his son (alexander sorros) has to be flagged as an EoM & and if putting down sorros means to have to obliterate ivanka trump or nato, so be it. to be crystal clear.

Why do you hate George Soros?

Because he is a rich Jew and a capitalist?  Are you a communist?

Are you his PR rep? How can you stick up for a guy that thinks that during Nazi Germany it was his "Happy Making time". How could anyone be happy during that era of hell.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGWizajL7tA
If I were in his shoes, I would do the same thing, and I would not feel guilty about it.

As he said, if it were not him, someone else would confiscate properties from Jews.  He was just a 14-year-old spectator.
He knew the stuff Christian Nazis were doing to Jews was evil, but he was smart enough to play Christian and save his ass.  

He saw it as a learning experience of how to anticipate events before they happen.

He was born into the Jewish cult; he was/is not religious and did/does not believe in God.

One has no control over which family or religious cult one is born into.

It seems strange that some people feel hate for the guy they don't even know.  

Sour grapes that he made his billions and they did not, I guess.
594  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Religion in the society on: September 23, 2021, 11:04:05 PM

There is no "with religion and without it." Everybody has religion. The major difference is that some people call their religion, religion... while others don't. The bigger the stink you make about your religion not being a religion, the stronger you become with your religion of non-religion-talk.

Cool

Not playing sports is not a sport.


But playing sports or not playing sports is part of your religion, especially if you are adamant about it.

Cool

WTF are you talking about?  Are you drunk?

Do you have teachers in your religion who teach you to respond like that? Or is it part of your own designing?

Cool

I will make it easy for you.  Since you are craving for it.

My teacher is the reason and logic, also known as Lucifer in your circles. ROFL.
595  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Do you trust the co-vid19 vaccine ? on: September 23, 2021, 10:31:52 PM
Actually, all the vaxxes do is make the people think that they are healed or protected.
Are you talking about vaccines in general or just the covid ones ?
Their protection comes from what they believe, a form of placebo effect.

This study and many more others clinical trials will disagree

Studies only do one thing. They prove that the universe works in the ways that those who believe, believe it does.

Cool
You should've probably told me that you dont believe in studies/science  in the first place, Our debate would've been much shorter.

But I DO believe that some of science works. I have to, because it was the faith of some scientists that caused some of it to happen. Now that I know that it works, it is very difficult to believe it out of existence, especially in the face of all those others who believe it right along with me.

For example. A point in space is simply the place where all the points around it meet. It doesn't really exist, itself. But now some scientists have math that suggests that a point in space can have tons of material in it. They call it a black hole.

The funny thing about black hole science is, that while some of the math says that it can exist this way, other math says that it is impossible for it to exist this way. So, it is published to exist, and many people believe that it does. At some point the faith of the believers will be enough to bring it into existence, and the missing piece of math for black holes will be "found," and people will think black holes were always there. They won't realize that they were simply believed into existence.



Take a ship for example. A modern pleasure cruise ship has all kinds of science built into it. Most units in the ship are made using more than one science - electricity, metallurgy, electronics, glass, buoyancy, etc.  You can't take placebo effect (personal, automatic, natural metaphysics) out of modern medicine, and expect anything to work perfectly.

And more important, you can't take God out of the equation at all. People who have God in their hearts have way more power at their fingertips than they realize. If they use it, they can overcome both Covid, and the way more dangerous Covid vaxx.

Cool

How many Christian preachers died from covid?  How many religious people died from covid?
596  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Religion in the society on: September 23, 2021, 10:27:58 PM

There is no "with religion and without it." Everybody has religion. The major difference is that some people call their religion, religion... while others don't. The bigger the stink you make about your religion not being a religion, the stronger you become with your religion of non-religion-talk.

Cool

Not playing sports is not a sport.


But playing sports or not playing sports is part of your religion, especially if you are adamant about it.

Cool

WTF are you talking about?  Are you drunk?
597  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Religion in the society on: September 23, 2021, 09:35:43 PM
Sometimes people do say the world be a better place without religion. Because how people take religion too serious , so if you are not of the same religion which they belong they have nothing to do you. Would the world be a better place without religion? Has region not play any role in our society.

Religion is not responsible for the bad state the world is but those bad people who practice the religion. Every religion preach peace and love but it depends on the practitioners to do them or not. We have good and bad Christians, like we have good and bad muslim, good and bad heathens. So it is not a religion thing but people problem. If everyone keeps to the rule of their religion the world will be a better place.

If you can have good or bad people with religion and without it, why do you need religions?  

"With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil;
but for good people to do evil - that takes religion." - Steven Weinberg

There is no "with religion and without it." Everybody has religion. The major difference is that some people call their religion, religion... while others don't. The bigger the stink you make about your religion not being a religion, the stronger you become with your religion of non-religion-talk.

Cool

Not playing sports is not a sport.
598  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Religion in the society on: September 23, 2021, 06:12:12 PM
Sometimes people do say the world be a better place without religion. Because how people take religion too serious , so if you are not of the same religion which they belong they have nothing to do you. Would the world be a better place without religion? Has region not play any role in our society.

Religion is not responsible for the bad state the world is but those bad people who practice the religion. Every religion preach peace and love but it depends on the practitioners to do them or not. We have good and bad Christians, like we have good and bad muslim, good and bad heathens. So it is not a religion thing but people problem. If everyone keeps to the rule of their religion the world will be a better place.

If you can have good or bad people with religion and without it, why do you need religions? 

"With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil;
but for good people to do evil - that takes religion." - Steven Weinberg
599  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Muslims and the use of alcohol based substances, how do the rules work? on: September 22, 2021, 04:39:17 PM
The recent COVID19 outbreak got me thinking and have some questions on how the Islamic faithfuls handle the situation when it comes to things like sanitizing and maybe even use  certain medicines that contain alcoholic substances.
From my understanding, alcohol is prohibited or is considered a taboo in the religion, so;

1. How do they sanitize if they got to places that have alcoholic based hand sanitizers?
2. How do they go about medications that are required for treatment but have some alcoholic content?
3. Most perfumes and deodorants I have come across have at least an alcohol substance in them, and yet I observe some of them highly use the body sprays. Isn't this against their religious principles?

Quran says that wine is the work of the devil.

It also says that Allah created heaven with rivers full of wine.

Muslims can drink alcohol and many do. Why not?

When you drink alcohol, you can forget who you are, what you do, and that can cause to do an evil works. When someone don't know who they are, they can do anything they want, including kill people who they don't like.

You can read on here: https://www.quora.com/How-can-heaven-be-described-as-a-place-full-of-wine-and-women-when-this-is-the-kind-of-life-Allah-forbids-here-Sura-78-32-1

Alcohol suppresses the release of glutamate and binds to GABA receptors inhibiting neuronal signaling.  

It has nothing to do with the 'evil works'.

Today, we know what alcohol is, and how it affects our body when ingested.  

Muhammad/Allah did not have a clue what planet he was on, never mind the structure of the alcohol molecule.
600  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Muslims and the use of alcohol based substances, how do the rules work? on: September 22, 2021, 02:05:51 AM
The recent COVID19 outbreak got me thinking and have some questions on how the Islamic faithfuls handle the situation when it comes to things like sanitizing and maybe even use  certain medicines that contain alcoholic substances.
From my understanding, alcohol is prohibited or is considered a taboo in the religion, so;

1. How do they sanitize if they got to places that have alcoholic based hand sanitizers?
2. How do they go about medications that are required for treatment but have some alcoholic content?
3. Most perfumes and deodorants I have come across have at least an alcohol substance in them, and yet I observe some of them highly use the body sprays. Isn't this against their religious principles?

Quran says that wine is the work of the devil.

It also says that Allah created heaven with rivers full of wine.

Muslims can drink alcohol and many do. Why not?
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