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641  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Crypto Kingdom - 1991 Retro Virtual World(City) on: December 11, 2014, 10:54:37 AM
A hearty congratulations to Sir Riccardo, Earl of Forte Spagnolo for the recent gold acquisitions.
Very well done!
642  Economy / Economics / Re: The reason that crude oil price crashed on: December 11, 2014, 10:48:46 AM
This is a strange discussion.  Must oil prices be a grand conspiracy that is only about some politics?
Is it impossible that there are new oil extraction methods that have become cheaper with technical advancements.
No one has heard of "fracking"?
(It is very controversial, possibly polluting ground water, but it produces oil where it was previously impossible.)

Commodities markets tend to over-react before they balance out.

Or maybe it is all just a few people playing global chess over some imagined strange excuses that make everything happen?
People look for complex excuses instead of looking at simple data.

The conspiracy is the market conspiring to find the clearing price.
Today Saudi announced it is reducing deliveries, the fracking is not economical at prices below the $60 barrels.  
At this price, new demand will arise and price will rise, then Saudi may increase delivery (or not).

Maybe many people assume that governments control everything always.  Does it feel helpless to live in such a world?

People were less shocked when prices soared for the last few years then when they fall.  They went up from war and rumors of war which are certainly political.  (Or a failure of politics)  But now it is a conspiracy when they come down?  Maybe there is a conspiracy for peace?

Very strange discussion, indeed.

What is missing in determining the value of oil from fracking, is the true and complete environmental cost.
Yes, it is delivering oil almost by magic, but it uses a LOT of water in the process and all that water + toxic chemicals used in the process are going where?

But this is probably a topic for another thread....

That thread would likely be more interesting.  It may have some science, chemistry, math.

I still can't figure out what this thread is doing on BitcoinTalk anyway.  Instead it belongs on WaPo's: Volokh Conspiracy.


There is no bitcoin discussion here, move along.
643  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: December 11, 2014, 10:41:00 AM
Congrats to BitPay for bringing Microsoft into the fold.

Yes!  I wondered what had caused the jump in price when I looked at the charts in the morning ... this is a good reason.

Often new retail spending options depresses prices, but this should be different.  Software development and ease of use are very important for Bitcoin and there is a rumor that Microsoft does still develop software. Wink
It is a good thing for Bitcoin though, no matter what the price does.
644  Economy / Economics / Re: The reason that crude oil price crashed on: December 11, 2014, 10:26:59 AM
Russia may suffer from lower oil prices, but why do you think that is a reason for them?

If it were political (US vs Russia), wouldn't you expect to see ANWR exploration and drilling started?
The US's largest oil fields are NOT being drilled, primarily because of Democrat (the party in power) opposition.

Or maybe your hypothesis is that OPEC nations have an interest in Ukraine?
Who is "punishing" Russia, and by what mechanism?   Prices do not move magically in globally traded commodities, there is some elasticity in supply and demand.

Was the high oil prices over the last few years because the US or OPEC was "rewarding" Russia?
645  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: December 11, 2014, 09:57:19 AM
Congrats to BitPay for bringing Microsoft into the fold.
646  Economy / Economics / Re: The reason that crude oil price crashed on: December 11, 2014, 09:50:06 AM
This is a strange discussion.  Must oil prices be a grand conspiracy that is only about some politics?
Is it impossible that there are new oil extraction methods that have become cheaper with technical advancements.
No one has heard of "fracking"?
(It is very controversial, possibly polluting ground water, but it produces oil where it was previously impossible.)

Commodities markets tend to over-react before they balance out.

Or maybe it is all just a few people playing global chess over some imagined strange excuses that make everything happen?
People look for complex excuses instead of looking at simple data.

The conspiracy is the market conspiring to find the clearing price.
Today Saudi announced it is reducing deliveries, the fracking is not economical at prices below the $60 barrels. 
At this price, new demand will arise and price will rise, then Saudi may increase delivery (or not).

Maybe many people assume that governments control everything always.  Does it feel helpless to live in such a world?

People were less shocked when prices soared for the last few years then when they fall.  They went up from war and rumors of war which are certainly political.  (Or a failure of politics)  But now it is a conspiracy when they come down?  Maybe there is a conspiracy for peace?
647  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency - 0.8.8.6 on: December 10, 2014, 08:02:58 PM
Someone should really make a monero based drug market

My suggestion for an easy to set-up, and probably quite profitable XMR business:  Set up an offshore site which will interpret your genome.  In the U.S. businesses like 23 & Me will provide you with data on your genetic markers from a swab, but the FDA forbids them to report on your genetic risks.  It is easy to automate the process of generating a report from the data.


Lets set up a company in Estonia.
648  Economy / Economics / Re: The reason that crude oil price crashed on: December 10, 2014, 07:19:58 PM
The reason oil prices have come down is because OPEC has cut prices arbitrarily. They were artificially high to begin with. On average it costs an OPEC nation ~$30 to produce a barrel of crude. They're still making a shitload of profit.

Oil Demand is going down so prices are going down.


This is the opposite of the truth.  Demand is not falling, supply is increased.  Demand ALSO is increased, but the balance is shifted to supply.
This depresses the price, which then INCREASES demand (because some uses of the oil are suddenly profitable now).
When demand at the lower price increases, price will rise, and there will be more consumption.

Econ 101 anyone?





You should expect increased use, and increased demand.  New car sales will rise also.  Airlines will do well.
649  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What impact will Bitcoin have on income inequality? on: December 10, 2014, 07:14:16 PM
Really.... who cares if it has any impact or not on income inequality?
This isn't the problem that Bitcoin is meant to solve.
It is entirely external to the protocol.
650  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Illinois Just Made it a Felony for Its Citizens to Record the Police on: December 10, 2014, 07:10:14 PM
Well, I may just happen to be recording when I get stopped.  Wink
In Illinois, your car (and camera/phone) just becomes forfeit-able as it is used in the commission of a felony crime and then the car can be sold by the police.  The profit of which sale goes to the police force, whether or not you were guilty of anything when they stopped you, and even if they didn't give you a ticket.  It is "legal" for them to do this after the passage of this law.
It is a bad law.

PROTIP: Don't use a smartphone with a bitcoin wallet on it to record the police in Illinois.
651  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Thailand on: December 10, 2014, 07:07:42 PM
There are some very prominent Bitcoin folks in Thailand.

Check this out:
http://www.bspend.com/blog?id=lt

This part in particular in the Thailand bar:
652  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: H.R.5777 - "To protect cryptocurrencies." on: December 10, 2014, 06:57:06 PM
Bill text.

Main provisions:
* Federal preemption of new state laws regarding cryptocurrencies. This would preempt New York's law.
* Mining and revenue in cryptocurrencies only taxable upon conversion to dollars. This preempts current IRS guidance.

Zero co-sponsors. GovTrack predicts 1% chance of being enacted.

It pre-empts only law that is not already passed (so it creates a race for states to do stupid stuff ahead of it).
It encourages a redefinition from the IRS, it does not enforce that.

It is a good, but specifically weak law.  Perversely that may give it a better chance of passing.

There would need to be a corresponding bill in the Senate for it to go anywhere.  Nothing will happen with this any time soon.

What it does do is plant a flag East of Houston TX where there is one sane congresscritter amongst the horde of insane ones.
653  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: New York State Continues Its Path To Regulating Virtual Currency on: December 10, 2014, 06:51:09 PM
This Federal Bill 5777 would invalidate the NY State Bitlicense if it passes first.

Actually, Congress could preempt state legislation and regulation whether their bill passes first or afterwards.  (I'm not sure exactly which order you're saying is likely.)  This is yet another reason the NY State proposal is wrong-headed and premature, at best.  I wouldn't put it past those dunderheads in Albany to go ahead and try it anyway.

The other most likely culprit for stupid regulation is California.
Not really, no.
California declared cryptocurrency "lawful money".

Congress can do all sorts of things, but HR5777 specifically states what it does.  It creates a moratorium on new law.  What passes ahead of it is not affected.  Did you read it?  I even copied the relevant part here and bolded the important words to make it easy for you.
654  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Illinois Just Made it a Felony for Its Citizens to Record the Police on: December 10, 2014, 06:45:06 PM
I agree with this. A lot of people go around, recording cops and purposely irritating them. It's hard to work under pressure especially when people keep on pushing and pushing you. There are already video recorders and cameras in the cars of many cops so if people have complaints they can always get a judge to allow access to the videos in order to make a claim. People who record cops usually do it because they are pretentious douche bags... just saying.

You may have a point. If I was going to record a cop, I'd probably doing it on my (nonexistent) Smart Phone while pretending to text somebody, but so many people try to attract attention by making it OBVIOUS that they're filming the cop and/or interfering with the cop's duties. If you're going to record a cop, don't be an a-hole about it. We've seen that Grand Juries are often reluctant to indict cops for using deadly force and you can always post it on Youtube and/or send it to your local news station later IF you walk away from the situation with your Smart Phone still in your hand.

But seriously, I hope somebody challenges this law on court. One of these days, somebody who just happened to capture a cop on video while filming themselves going about their business and then posted the whole thing on Youtube could be prosecuted using this law.

I wonder if there are any cops who are pretentious douche bags?  Could that number be zero?  Is there a magic potion they get after getting through the academy that makes these people perfect?
All this law does is guarantee that people recording are going to have to keep the recording secret, which is probably bad for the police.  Knowing that they are being recorded may encourage best behavior, whilst not knowing (until it appears posted anonymously somewhere) may not be as good for them.  It is a bad law.
The law makes it look like they have something to hide.  The good cops may not be so worried about this. 

I can see some security issues, with facial recognition and zero privacy.  There are bad guys that might want to use this information for evil purposes.
My issue is more that it is a one-sided law... why a law that only protects police?  Why not make the same law protect everyone if there is really some privacy concern? 
The folks that want this for evil purposes will still be able to get their recordings, it will just cost more now that it is contraband.
655  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Illinois Just Made it a Felony for Its Citizens to Record the Police on: December 10, 2014, 03:19:44 PM
I agree with this. A lot of people go around, recording cops and purposely irritating them. It's hard to work under pressure especially when people keep on pushing and pushing you. There are already video recorders and cameras in the cars of many cops so if people have complaints they can always get a judge to allow access to the videos in order to make a claim. People who record cops usually do it because they are pretentious douche bags... just saying.



There are already laws against interfering with the police.  A law against recording authority is a bad law and one-sided.
656  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What impact will Bitcoin have on income inequality? on: December 10, 2014, 03:11:45 PM
in california, a guy working at walmart or mcdonalds gets paid $9 an hour (minimum wage of that state)
in Arkansas, a guy working at walmart or mcdonalds gets paid $6.25 an hour (minimum wage of that state)

that means right now, this second.. it take 57 hours of labour to buy one bitcoin from arkansas
that means right now, this second.. it take 40 hours of labour to buy one bitcoin from california
You fail to take taxes into account as well as the overall labor market of both states.

CA generally has a much higher tax burden so just because their minimum wage is higher does not mean that a worker has more after-tax income. Plus there are several federal transfer payment programs that fade away as income increases, making someone's effective tax rate >100% once the net effect of these transfer payments are taken into account.

Plus very few people earn minimum wage so this is a bad comparison (even for workers who work at MCD or WMT)

1. people on minimum wage are not on that much of a tax rate no matter what state/country they are in.
2. the difference between $6.25 and $9 is over 40% difference in income.. again tax differences wont offset the spread
3. if you think that not many people work for minimum wage, check out the news, in regards to mcD wage protests (which gave me the idea)
4. example: californias state website shows someone under $28k/year pays only $300 in income tax
more importantly
5. if EVERYONE was on the same value minimally world wide that ensured no matter where you lived your income was above "living costs" then there would be equality. $15 is the highest 'living cost' minimal thus i think it fair to set that as a fair market value for a bitcoin employee.

and for those that think start ups should move to arkansas to pay people at $6.25 or move to africa for $2 a day.. then that act alone proves that greed of companies will always outweigh any attempt to improve world equality. unless businesses treat the sweat of one mans labour the same no matter what zip code they are under, inequality will continue

Different locations have different state burdens (the mandatory "services" that you must accept and pay for).  These affect cost of living, not just through taxes but also through pricing, building regulations (making building expensive) and all sorts of regulatory intrusions.

It isn't so much a dichotomy between greed vs equality as government market distortions (which minimum wages are also an example of).  It is however fostering freedom to pay people in areas (like Arkansas and Africa) without these burdens, so do your start up there if you like.

Increasing Minimum wage in the USA is pretty much baked in to the economic pie for other reasons (the Fed needs to create inflation, which is the hidden taxation).  So don't be fooled...the USA will get higher minimum wages, but it has NOTHING to do with creating equality.  It is instead about how to enrich the central banking and government tax base.
657  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: New York State Continues Its Path To Regulating Virtual Currency on: December 10, 2014, 02:40:59 PM
This Federal Bill 5777 would invalidate the NY State Bitlicense if it passes first.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/113th-congress/house-bill/5777/text

Quote
(a) Neither the Federal Government nor any State or political
subdivision thereof shall impose any statutory restrictions or
regulations specifically identifying and governing the creation, use,
exploitation, possession or transfer of any algorithmic protocols
governing the operation of any virtual, non-physical, algorithm or
computer source code-based medium for exchange (collectively,
``cryptocurrency'' as defined herein) for a period beginning June 1,
2015, and extending five years after the enactment of this Act (such
period, the ``moratorium period''), except for statutes already enacted
and effective prior to the date of enactment of this Act
, and further
suspending the enactment and effectiveness of any and all pending
statutes and regulations until the end of the aforementioned moratorium
period, except as otherwise provided in this section.

The Bitlicense proposal is wrong headed anyhow.
It accomplishes the opposite of its stated policy goal.  By its very structure it creates extreme centralization and limits options to consumers.  One of the principle offerings of crypto currencies is their decentralization.  Though it claims "consumer protection" it accomplishes the opposite.  It chases companies out of the state and thus limits options and kills business in the state.

If NY State wants to lead the world, they should make an optional bitlicense that is a simple certificate that shows that a company is in compliance with all the EXISTING laws, rather than make up a bunch of new laws and pretend that it makes anything better.

If they did this, companies would rush to get the bitlicense because it would be seen as a good houskeeping seal of approval and would possibly give a competitive advantage with the customers that seek such things.  If they did this, it would accomplish their policy goal instead of undermine it.
658  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: the Leave Us the Hell Alone Bill and The new bill, H.R. 5777 on: December 10, 2014, 02:01:44 PM
Maybe we do have a friend in congress after all?

This proposed bill creates a waiting period of 5 years before any new crypto currency law can be made.
(So it kills the bitlicense nonesense)

It also asks that cryptocurrencies be treated as currencies (not assets) ending the crazy IRS nonsense of adjusting for each and every transaction as a capital gain/loss.

It is the first SANE proposal by the US government.  This guy just has plain old fashioned common sense AND he's in government?  How did that happen?  It would seem impossible if it weren't true.
659  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Arrested for feeding homeless people on: December 10, 2014, 01:40:12 PM
after they eat,they will shit wherever etc and nobody will clean it up
This is not likely the issue either.
If people eat, they shit, and someone (possibly themselves) clean up.
if people don't eat, they die, and someone (not themselves) clean up.

There are already public restrooms on that beach.

The violation is a food safety ordinance, go figure.  Without the city licence, the homeless would only be able to sue this 90 year old guy that has been feeding them for the last 25 years before the new ordinance.  If they suddenly got sick on his food (and not the stuff they pulled from the garbage) they wouldn't also be able to sue the city.
The city wants to also be responsible.
The license is easy to get, but it can also be denied.  This seems to be one of those "principle" disputes.  There aren't really any practical concerns, just a power struggle between a long time resident and his city.
660  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Crypto Kingdom - 1991 Retro Virtual World(City) on: December 09, 2014, 03:04:04 PM
Your highnesses *bows deeply*

I am a traveler from a faraway place, with little to my name except my guitar and songs I have collected during my travels. I am in awe of this new city, like nothing I have seen before, after so many years on the road. With so much happening here I don't want to get back on the move so soon.

If there is such an opening, I would request a place to entertain guests and earn myself enough for a shelter and food. I am honest and hardworking, may also help NPCs in construction if need be. I can also make a small deposit of 10 XMR as insurance on a temporary space for myself. I need only a shared square to set my clothes bundle and rest my weary bones.

Thank you for your consideration.


SP, traveling entertainer


I would be happy to put you up in the penthouse suite of the Grail and Quail, or alternatively in one of the large suites in the Lucky Lion Hotel. How long are you planning on staying?

These are some nice rooms!  The music must be wonderful!
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