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Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP.
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on: September 29, 2014, 09:53:06 PM
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Circle may be a game changer. You can sign-up on your phone from anywhere and purchase your first bitcoins with your credit card within minutes. The fact that they use mandatory 2FA (via SMS by default) also makes me feel better about recommending this service to acquaintances. Should COIN launch this winter, then the fiat <---> bitcoin gateway infrastructure will be ripe to support another wave of adoption.
I still maintain the impact of COIN is being grossly underestimated. The vast majority of "investment dollars" do not sit on bank accounts linked to coinbase or credit card limits linked to circle. Instead most funds sit in brokerage accounts. During the run where I made most of my purchases, my biggest obstacle was wiring funds from my Brokerage account to my Bank account, so then I could issue a coinbase purchase. Since I see bitcoin as a core asset to hold, this was completely backwards. COIN will link brokerage accounts to bitcoin, there is a huge amount of funds there.... there is also a huge difference in that you do not actually own bitcoins but COIN shares. sure some institutional investors might not care. but you are then only "invested" in the Bitcoin economy and not necessarily own an actual share it in. which is perfectly fine, but still.... (I have to say I might be wrong. Could you claim your share in COIN for its equivalent in BTC? I do not think so but maybe someone can confirm.) I think the shares will be used to purchase BTC so it will roughly track the price of bitcoin. This is at the owners descretion.... so you may see cases where it does not track it. Simply put if its not making money people will not buy shares... but dividends should be offered to entice people to buy shares rather than bitcoin... thats how I kind of guess it works anyway on top of my head knowing how equities work. Because its backed by a regulated exchange, many people will simply hold the shares collecting dividends rather than bitcoin because you would get value on the way up (roughly) and collect interest. For me, personally I prefer to hold bitAssets once the pegs are known to work in bitshares as this will collect me more interest and I own it in a decentralized system rather than depend on a stock exchange susceptible to the pitfals of our modern economy... can happen overnight... its a tradeoff either way. Some COIN supporters are of the belief that it will SET the price of bitcoin, in much the way that gold ETFs set the price of gold. The significant differences between gold and bitcoin may run squarely counter to this belief. Gold ETFs are useful because storage and transport of that commodity bear costs and risks higher than the ETF ownership, where the opposite is true of COIN. I suspect that often it will influence and follow rather than lead. There is a long thread on this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=252330.msg2681929#msg2681929I offered the OP and my chief interlocutor on that thread to do a debate on stage at one of the many Bitcoin conferences but couldn't persuade him to do so. There will also be some opportunity for truly massive fiat manipulation of COIN due to its projected high liquidity. In such cases it can be expected to lead price up or down as arbitraging will shift value in and out to the extent that it is trusted. I suspect that the real time p2p bitcoin exchanges OTC, and localbitcoin and the others will have the highest prices in most cases. As is said of gold, if you don't hold it, you don't own it.
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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency (mandatory upgrade)
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on: September 29, 2014, 08:16:47 PM
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This was a no-lose scenario for BCX, just different sorts of wins.
For the most part I would agree with this. But if I were BCX I would find the hit to my reputation a bit hard to reconcile. In the end he just was a lying manipulator. And perhaps this is enough for him to have fun. In the end his credibility was badly damaged by this. BCX! Crusher of Solidcoin! Destroyer of Auroracoin. Played peek-a-boo with Monero. Doesn't really continue the legacy does it? Sure, just depends on the legacy that matters to BCX. All that remains would be for BCX to claim victory. After all, BCX got everything BCX asked for from the outset. We all can see how BCX's crushing might of brute force hashing, summonable on command plus a deep history of expert TW assaults and DDoS capability of BCX's repute, has forced the hand of the XMR dev team to alter their commits just to address this threat. That the DEV team also came to BCX, hat in hand, asking publicly for help from BCX shows their both humility and single-minded dedication to the success of their project. They dropped all pretense of ego, all they care about is tight code. They seem willing to admit that given enough power, the block chain, any block chain, can be overwhelmed. They did manage to raise the barricades a good bit, and battened down the hatches with their decentralized and nimble checkpointing innovation. This would make any TW dependent attack much more costly to BCX with much less disruptive effect. XMR is in the crib, in the years to come it will have to contend with much greater adversaries than BCX. It was born out of a litter of CryptoNote alts, had a brief foster parentage with TFT, and now has a strong well balanced family of its own with its current team. There is no perfect offering, XMR just managed to achieve "best yet", and within the 72 hours of the BCX challenge issued. Other baby alts would be wise to follow this leadership in TW defenses. There are TLAs more powerful than BCX. Thanks to BCX, XMR is a bit more ready for those challenges to come.
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Other / Archival / Re: delete
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on: September 29, 2014, 07:53:03 PM
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read.......
I want you to imagine you're renting a house. You're a friendly guy, and so often you have people stopping by, sometimes bringing their friends over. You don't mind. One day someone comes over, and brings this friend with him. Let's call this friend-of-a-friend T Roll. The first thing T does is go to your bathroom and has a big fat pee everywhere except the actual toilet bowl. Then he goes to your fridge, takes out a six-pack of beers, and opens each of them, having a sip from each one and then pouring the rest on your carpet. Finally, he goes out into your yard and starts kicking your dog. Enraged, you throw him out your house. As he leaves he turns around and says "you and your Nazi rules suck, you're just like Hitler!" Who is most embodied by our hypothetical Mr. T Roll is an exercise best left to the reader. couple comments back a guy said prove and called me a liar so i did.. i saved the text and posted it LOL You have a link to your proof of this other alt that you claim rpietila owned before Monero? Or what? To be very clear, I am not calling you a liar, that remains to be seen. So far it merely appears that you are making false assumptions. It is when you continue these, and also have a lack of any evidence to support them, that it will appear to most people that it is a lie. I am not convinced you are a liar, you may merely be hallucinating.
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Economy / Economics / Re: The Export-Import Bank
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on: September 29, 2014, 06:09:46 PM
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Crypto currency is also among those better tools. Government would be better served getting the hang of what it offers before its left behind.
How would crypto currencies better protect US companies from a foreign government placing large orders at US companies and then not paying? It is a standard practice to not pay for goods ordered until delivery (or sometime thereafter) when dealing on a B2B basis. All a crypto currency would do is provide another payment method when the foreign government does decide to pay (and is not engaging in a trade war) You are familiar with crypto currency basics, yes? In addition to another payment method, it is also a better payment method. Some of the more applicable merits include. Proof of funds Validated low friction escrows Smart contracting This could provide contract enforcement for order cancellations. Cancel an order and still pay some %. Manufacturer still has the goods and can sell, and also receives compensation for unfair business practice. Folks whine about not having consumer protections, but they are there for anyone that wants to use them, what is missing isn't the protection, its just missing the protection racket. I'm no expert in ex-im bank stuff, but these things just seem to be such obviously better mechanisms for solving the problems. Save the big guns for when they are absolutely needed. State department has enough to worry about.
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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency (mandatory upgrade)
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on: September 29, 2014, 05:35:53 PM
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"All aboard the Bitcoin Express! We're leaving in 72--errrr...wait, wait...4 day--wait..errr...2 weeks! Yeah, get on board! Next stop Fudville!" What are you laughing for? BCX had reached his goal. He had planned to bring the XMR price down with his exploit bullshit to buy in as cheaply as possible and got what he wanted. This is fine for speculating on what ulterior motives might be at play, however... If you take BCX at just what BCX said, it wasn't about the price. There were other things BCX claimed to want: 1) "Forced Evolution" 2) "requests for help from developers" BCX achieved both of these. These goals are also consistent with the general goals of the broad community of crypto currency workers (but perhaps with the exception of the threat of the use of force to achieve them). This was a no-lose scenario for BCX, just different sorts of wins.
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Other / Off-topic / Re: What video games do you play?
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on: September 29, 2014, 05:20:58 PM
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The DOTA2 Update this weekend brings some nice balances, and a more exciting game play.
It is also refreshing that some folks are learning to play the techies effectively.
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Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP.
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on: September 29, 2014, 05:18:51 PM
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Bitcoin's killer app is hope. What other technology/investment can give young people all over the world as much hope for a better future as bitcoin?
...and hope is magnified by the fear it relieves. There are plenty of sources generating reasonable fears everywhere. Why not be prepared?
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Other / Archival / Re: delete
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on: September 29, 2014, 11:40:43 AM
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Don't you realize that each time you make a parallel between moderated topic and NAZIS your credibility goes abysmally negative? Rptiela made like one...maybe two self-moderated topic which are filled with negative comment as far as I can read, yet he kicks a few obvious/obnoxious dedicated trolls and here you are screaming everywhere NAZIS NAZIS NAZIS XMR HITLER like a beheaded duck. That's beyond ridicule. Do you even know what Nazis were? What they did? Come on.
read....... The rules of this thread are very strict, as always in my threads:
- There is no freedom of speech. The topic is altcoins, but I also want that it stays in a level that is possible and interesting to read for a busy Bitcoin holder that does not care about alts. I know how it feels to be a busy Bitcoin holder, so I steer the discussion to the maximum benefit for me, and for my readers.
- Which alts can be discussed, is up to me. Mentioning an alt after that specific alt has been banned from a thread results in a ban for you. If you do not obey my ban from the thread, historically you have had 100% chance to be banned from the forum as a result. Don't try your luck.
- Posts may be deleted for whatever reason. Deletion does not necessarily mean that the post was offensive. It may also have been too long quote (in which case either the original, or the reply may be pruned), repetition of yours or somebody else's point, or anything else.
- Moderating actions are written in red. Others are not allowed to use red.
and so... This is confused with a credible plan to take over the world by military force... by at least one person.
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Other / Archival / Re: delete
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on: September 29, 2014, 11:29:53 AM
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You do realize people no longer even read your posts right?
Very true. Wall of text accomplishes only one thing which is not being read. I still read Spoetnik's textwalls. I find his writing to be very unique. I do as well. I like his candor. As for Monero, it reminds me of junk bonds. The coin itself may be great, but the overbearing approach towards promoting the coin puts me off from acquiring any. The faux fanaticism displayed by a bunch of new accounts; the patronizing approach towards criticisms screams of dysfunctional groupthink (which even extends to exchange chat boxes); the repeated putdowns of other coins and technologies - all these seem to be par for the course. Monero needs to learn to be graceful. exactly ! (... more ungraceful stuff...) There are accounts that are obviously overreaching, making grand claims, and provide ample fuel for the critics. These accounts claim that Monero is today what those actually working on it are hopeful that it may someday become. These accounts tend to fail at articulating reasons for their grand claims, they ignore the merits of Monero in favor of emotional hype. Typically this sort of activity is harmful, it matters little whether it is intended to be harmful or not. If believed, it artificially inflates expectations, and generates absurd arguments. If not believed, it gives the appearance of false hype and scam. Being tarred with such "supporters" may be one of the effects of the early work to wrestle an honest and open coin, out of those attempting to misuse the CryptoNote technology.
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Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP.
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on: September 29, 2014, 04:04:02 AM
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Good shills are hard to employ these days. They are working for the altcoins. Someone should take this opportunity to open a Troll School using Bitcoin for tuition.
Indeed, a great idea. Offer group discounts to these folks.
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Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Playing chess online for money is illegal?
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on: September 29, 2014, 03:58:23 AM
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Your right. The only solution is change residence of your location to allowed State and then request the withdraw Can you point to which Washington law disallows playing skilled games for money? As well as point to which law in those states that disallow playing skilled games for money. I tried searching but couldn't find anything. The host could take some steps if they were inclined to do more in Washington State. Provided "bitcoins" are determined to be "merchandise" and not "money" There is a process for being authorized in Washington State to host "Amusement Games" provided it is hosted for some social good (the hoster has to have some charitable purpose): The full law for Washington State is here: [Suspicious link removed]gc.wa.gov/rules/rules_manual_1211.pdf The relevant part is here: ========================= RCW 9.46.0201 "Amusement game." "Amusement game," as used in this chapter, means a game played for entertainment in which: (1) The contestant actively participates; (2) The outcome depends in a material degree upon the skill of the contestant; (3) Only merchandise prizes are awarded; (4) The outcome is not in the control of the operator; (5) The wagers are placed, the winners are determined, and a distribution of prizes or property is made in the presence of all persons placing wagers at such game; and (6) Said game is conducted or operated by any agricultural fair, person, association, or organization in such manner and at such locations as may be authorized by rules and regulations adopted by the commission pursuant to this chapter as now or hereafter amended. Cake walks as commonly known and fish ponds as commonly known shall be treated as amusement games for all purposes under this chapter. [1987 c 4 § 2. Formerly RCW 9.46.020(1), part.] bitcoin cakewalk! *nice Yes, law is so weird and full of old stuff. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cakewalk_(carnival_game) Who's up for a Bitcoin Cake Walk?
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Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP.
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on: September 29, 2014, 03:35:26 AM
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Ideas are ideas. They don't have to be original. In fact they never are. I'm saying that the consumer has no insentive to use bitcoin. That's all. It's a fascinating tool that got caught up in a speculative bubble. The dollar doesn't crash on a daily basis
consumer have no incentives to use gold. yet it has a 5-6 trillion market cap Different reason though... Why would I give up my hard to get shiny metal gold when merchants will take this stinky drug soaked fiat that has probably both been in a stripper's g-string? Gresham's law.
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Other / Archival / Re: delete
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on: September 29, 2014, 03:16:20 AM
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Why do you attack me? I got out at the right time which is the absolute best thing that one could possibly do (improves holdings of the coin greatly when getting back in lower).
@OP even though I don't like you I have to agree with you for once.
Monero should be banned here so they finally get it.
Yes, I seriously think this way. Neglecting to open an own forum and posting there (like all other major coins do!) is extremely bad for the health of the coin. People hate the coin and I don't want to see that. Unfortunately a lot of Monero supporters aren't helping it by constantly attacking other users. It's a mess. One of the things that the MEW will address is this utter bullshit. There is (list is not conclusive but you get the idea): - no neglecting to open an own forum since there are Monero forums, IRC groups etc, plenty of them - no general hatred towards Monero, only a short list of pestilent sockpuppets, probably costing their masters not much, a few "honest" trolls, and similarly few people who are confused because of misunderstandings and sockpuppets' & trolls' actions - no monero users are attacking other users. People posing as monero users do. I invite all the trolls to join MEW and then vote on the matters, since if you do not do it, it will become evident to all that you do not own any monero and are just trying to confuse things! what in gods name do you seriously expect when you come here and say your first Altcoin is Monero ? YOU ARE UNBELIEVABLE LOL OK, you are claiming unbelievably, essentially suggesting it is a lie. Some simple advice: Please kindly show your evidence behind this accusation or promptly cease repeating it or you will be seen as the liar in the end. Certainly you have some. Risto is quite prolific and posts proudly about most everything he does which should make your search easy. Surely you will find something?
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Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP.
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on: September 29, 2014, 03:04:10 AM
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Ideas are ideas. They don't have to be original. In fact they never are. I'm saying that the consumer has no insentive to use bitcoin. That's all. It's a fascinating tool that got caught up in a speculative bubble. The dollar doesn't crash on a daily basis
You may say that consumers have no insentive (sic) to use bitcoin. Consumers may disagree. We can debate theories as to why this is true, and what incentives consumers may have, but it is never the less true that they are increasingly using bitcoin transactionally. Economists tend to work for governments, state universities, or depend on grants from government. There are few governments that have figured out how great bitcoin and its openness are for their interests, so we should expect them to be behind the curve. They will catch up, once they can observe and make theories after the fact. Give them a few years, the game is changing out from under them. Obviously no one is worried about economic collapses, bank failures and such. Certainly not someone who has worked for the government most of his life, handled foreign relations, counter-terrorism intelligence, best selling author, and consults for and with the 5 eyes regularly. Or can we? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQBia1Mw9VwHuh, I guess we can. Maybe you'd better go let him know how crazy he is.
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Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP.
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on: September 29, 2014, 01:59:15 AM
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The elephant in the room: consumers have almost no incentive to use bitcoin. The common talking points are: Low fees - The consumers pay no fees while using a credit card. They actually get rewards points back. Privacy - As evidenced by a recent post, bitcoin offers little privacy out of the box. You need to go through hoops to achieve privacy. People who care enough to go through these hoops have better alternatives (like cash!), which are more foolproof. Being your own bank - Few people want to take the risks associated with being a bank. It is more of a headache than a plus. No consumer protection - No need to elaborate. Distrust of the monetary policy - The volatility of bitcoin makes it useless as a store of value, and there are better and more reliable options to store your wealth. Few people buy into the tinfoil-hattery that the USD is about to crash. There is simply no pragmatic answer to "Why should I buy bitcoin?"
Cite your sources. I'd really like a well reasoned answer to this:-\ And yet, consumers do transact. https://blockchain.info/charts/n-transactions?timespan=all&daysAverageString=7Seems there is a difference between theory and practice. The block chain never lies.
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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency (mandatory upgrade)
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on: September 28, 2014, 11:29:24 PM
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So with time warp attack the attacker basically turns his hashing power on and off in a pattern of resonant frequency? Am i understanding this right? I haven’t actually heard the name before but when studying bitcoin years ago i decided against buying in because I imagined this sort of attack. (boy what i mistake, i still bought in relatively early but i wish i had bought in *THAT* early).
This would not be a time warp attack. A time warper would run hashing power constantly. The blocks would not be advertised to the network until later when they have a chance at chain contention. Basically saving up proof of work to affect difficulty algo or to affect longest chain resolution. Additional benefits can be gained if you force chain resolution on everyone but your own chain, and confuse other miners to mine your chain, DD0S those that don't, etc. Its generally very unprofitable with current algorithms and safeguards, and any miner would do better mining the coin.
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Other / Archival / Re: delete
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on: September 27, 2014, 10:27:58 PM
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bcx = coinhumper = moneroman88
=Stoli regional sales manager No, i doubt Bitcoinexpress has something todo with moneroman88 i think he got tricked into this shit like we all. Or simply a useful foil. I think BCX doesn't get tricked and does things for BCX's own reasons.
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Other / Archival / Re: delete
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on: September 27, 2014, 09:15:47 PM
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bcx = coinhumper = moneroman88
=Stoli regional sales manager Try NEFT Drinking this to help get in the spirit of our noble adversary.
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