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1241  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Anyone following the ebola outbreak? on: October 06, 2014, 03:51:06 PM
Someone died in Texas right?  Shocked Shocked
No.
Still in critical condition as of now.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/10/06/us-health-ebola-usa-idUSKCN0HT0MZ20141006


I picked up the remaining P100 breathing filters at my local stores here in Los Angeles.  There weren't a lot left.
After I put together a the kits for my household, I may have some left over.

It might be wise to check your local stores for these before things get weird, and if they never do, save them for the next time you paint or whatever.
As for eye coverings, those simple cheap pool masks because they are easy to get and are water tight.  Most of the goggles you see for protective wear aren't water tight, aren't air tight and are for splash protection.


I'd not be giving those up for dirty fiat money.  That cotton cloth is going to soak up the deadly disease like nothing else.
1242  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [ANN][MEW]Discussion&Vote #1 - Communication Strategy - Members only on: October 06, 2014, 03:08:28 PM
110 Votes supporting proposal #1

Why change to something else unless the something else is better?
Proposal #2 is that we make something new. 
If proposal #2 were changed to move to something else that is better, I'd support #2.
Some examples of forums I would think of as better include CryptoCrypt.org and Prolific.com.
1243  Other / Archival / Re: delete on: October 06, 2014, 01:30:57 PM
I am trying to figure out what form a possible attack could potentially be.

This brings me some enjoyment as well, doing security engineering.  I've a wicked mind, the whole world looks broken to me.  There are cracks in everything, and all these candy colored pots of gold everywhere are just free for the taking with no barrier other than these darned ethical handcuffs that keep me from grabbing them all.

It is so easy to design something that simply works, and so rare to design something that can't be broken simply, but those things are simply beautiful things.

I don't know if I understood the latest posts right, but:

Suppose that, in his private netwoek, the attacker has tricked the Monero protocol to lower the difficulty to 1/2 of what would be appropriate for his hashpower.  So he is capable of generating blocks with 30 sec mean gap, instead of 60 sec.

However, if the attacker finds a solution after t seconds, instead of posting it right away, he keeps mining for another t seconds. Then, among all solutions that he found, he posts the one with the smallest hash.

That way, the private blockchain still has 1 block every 60 seconds on average, so the protocol will not raise the difficulty.  However, the complemented hashes will be higher than normal on average.  So, the alternate blockchain, while just as long as the legitimate one, will probably have a greater "weight".

Would this attack (or a variation thereof) work?

Afaics, smooth is correct. There is no way to build a chain of hashes that has a greater sum of their modular additive inverses than your hashrate can generate, i.e. that metric is invariant w.r.t. to the difficulty level . Thus as long as forks are measured by that metric, the longer one will always be the one with the greater hashrate (except for small probabilities of success with less hashrate) regardless the relative difficulty rates.

Yes, the TW will fail against Monero's code in that context.
The next context was "Will it fail fast?"  Essentially, if a TW were launched, even though it is doomed to not be the longest chain, would the time it takes to make that determination by the honest nodes (and thus not doing so much hashing) allow dishonest nodes to continue building on the TW chain, or even to just build on the good chain but win more blocks by essentially denying hashes to nodes busy with making this determination?

The distributed checkpointing allows for the ability to get all the honest nodes back to work even if there is a novel form of attack based on any type of chain forking attack, not just the TW, and further allows for self service of the solution.
1244  Other / Archival / Re: delete on: October 06, 2014, 01:10:08 PM
If we increase the total hash power, will that elongate the judgement day?

More honest hash power is always more secure for any coin. Beyond that everything is a matter of guesswork.

Is this the reason why the hash rate is so high compared to the price?
The same can be said for BTC at the moment.
1245  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency (mandatory upgrade) on: October 05, 2014, 03:14:02 PM
I think the main argument on changing the emission is the coin will die in a few years when it is almost mined into dryness.
Sure I can take the current inflation and buy little by little more but then there is an issue of community premine, too.
It is fairer for the next adoptors to get some inflation, too. They most likely do not want to be the reason for price increase.

Touching the total coin supply is too horryfying idea even to consider.

I'm more horrified of not considering everything.
1246  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency (mandatory upgrade) on: October 05, 2014, 03:12:36 PM
So there is talk on the poloniex trollbox about changing the Monero emission rate to be slower.

Any thoughts about this? The great rpietila seems to be an advocate of emission rate change.

People can discuss, but there is no actual plan right now to do this.

EDIT: corrected typo to no actual plan


As price is already going down I see no reason to keep with the current emission as the only argument was so save some holders against possible dumps if it happened.

Its not the only argument.
Saving holders from dumps wouldn't be a persuasive argument in its own right anyway.

either way I see no reason to Monero keep its contract, everybody that hates Monero will keep on hatin and who likes Monero will keep going on or not, its pretty disgusting to read the amount of trolls that hate a coin, fuck them, it doesnt matter because price is way down, if the the majority of the community decides in favor of changing and the devs do it, I see no reason to not.

So you 1) wish a vote to be taken, 2) have a vote preference you advocate here for contract breaking, others may reasonably disagree with either 1 or 2, but even more important for me are...  
3) Change it to what, and why?
4) How to do this.
Does anyone know what the "right" emission rate is?  With a sufficiently good answer to (3), then your (1) and (2) become easier.  Without a sufficiently good answer to (3), we will be right back here in this discussion again later.

It may be fine and well to keep revisiting this topic, over and over again into the future, and keep working on fixing and perfecting the emission rate.  

Further, this ought be everyone's expectation if we do (1) and (2) without a definitive (3) (which I'd argue doesn't exist today)  The mechanism (4) for making these changes, and the reasons for making them will be important.  It would essentially create a somewhat de-centralized banking function to the coin that is forever changing the inflation rate in attempts to optimize the economy.

This would present an important innovation in alt coin development that will be impossible for the crypto currency world to ignore, for good or ill.  Get it right, and XMR may continue its rise to leadership.  Bungle (4) at it's great peril.

And realize also the gravity of this proposal you are making.  If XMR lives up to its promises, the actions we take here and now in this effort, will reverberate across decades into the future and impact the lives of billions of people.  It is probably worth getting it right.
1247  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: October 05, 2014, 02:51:02 PM
Hi,

Just wanted to let you know I have created a service for live monitoring of monero price: http://moneromarkets.com/

Its faster than the poloniex-site. Only supports poloniex today, but will add others if anyone requests it.

This good, having a faster way of seeing the current price is one of the features I was going to push towards, though your 6 hour chart doesn't seem to be working for me.

It works fine on Chrome, Firefox, iPad and iPhone, though Internet Explorer 11 causes the recent orders chart to display incorrectly.

Will you add the numbers to show how much volume it is that the volume bars represent?

Yes will add that. Please let me know if you have more feature requests. I put a first version with a minimum of features so that I only implement features that's usable to people.

It is a great start.  I suspect most of the things I'd look for are already in your plans.  (settings for bar width other than 6 hours, start-end date for historical views, order book depth, etc)
1248  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Cryptocurrency with the best distribution? on: October 05, 2014, 02:24:19 PM
This ties into why World Dollar (http://www.world-dollar.com) is so brilliant, no-one has to "buy" into it, and everyone is integrated into it as it is distributed to everyone, equally. Expect big things from WLD.
Slightly more accurately, one "buys in" to world dollars by creating a video of oneself advocating world dollars.
Essentially, it outsources the advertising content creation in exchange for the world currency.  This is a form of legitimate trade, more than a gift.
The first big thing I would expect is a compilation video, of anyone world dollar thinks is interesting to have in its video.
I see nothing much wrong with this, though you may want to get releases from the video submitter permitting your reuse.
I wish you good fortune with this enterprise.
1249  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency (mandatory upgrade) on: October 05, 2014, 02:10:14 PM
So there is talk on the poloniex trollbox about changing the Monero emission rate to be slower.

Any thoughts about this? The great rpietila seems to be an advocate of emission rate change.

People can discuss, but there is no actual plan right now to do this.

EDIT: corrected typo to no actual plan


As price is already going down I see no reason to keep with the current emission as the only argument was so save some holders against possible dumps if it happened.

Its not the only argument.
Saving holders from dumps wouldn't be a persuasive argument in its own right anyway.
1250  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: October 05, 2014, 01:06:55 PM
Hi,

Just wanted to let you know I have created a service for live monitoring of monero price: http://moneromarkets.com/

Its faster than the poloniex-site. Only supports poloniex today, but will add others if anyone requests it.






This good, having a faster way of seeing the current price is one of the features I was going to push towards, though your 6 hour chart doesn't seem to be working for me.

It works fine on Chrome, Firefox, iPad and iPhone, though Internet Explorer 11 causes the recent orders chart to display incorrectly.

Will you add the numbers to show how much volume it is that the volume bars represent?
1251  Other / Archival / Re: delete on: October 04, 2014, 11:45:33 PM

Sorry but that is simply not clear at all.

Tacotime who is very experienced and respected in the community, has been involved with many coins, and is a very serious cryptocoin developer himself (MC2), is adamantly opposed to the ring signature trimming for example. The anonymity "improvements" have been strongly panned by the cryptonote developers. I don't think we have stated a position officially but we definitely have some issues with them as well, and definitely don't think they are the best way to "solve cryptonote flaws." The proof-of-work has plusses and minuses, but in reality both are somewhat questionable compared to something more of a hash-based standard. I happen to personally agree with you on emission curve, but others argue that it is better to reduce inflation a bit more quickly to achieve better store-of-value properties.



Facts:
BBR has a smaller blockchain, syncs faster, and has an official gui.
XMR has a dev team, unofficial guis.
Neither BBR or XMR is used in any significant way

Opinions:
Tacotime's opinion may be biased. The privacy of neither approach to ring signatures has been thoroughly tested.
Cryptonote devs? They have their own agenda.
Some say BBR has better emission curve (you, rpietila) but who knows. Cryptocurrencies are too new.
BBR is better
XMR is better

I would fully support BBR.

~BCX~

It will be great for crypto generally when you do.
XMR and BBR have a very friendly rivalry, though highly vocal and bitter foes spout off from each camp at the periphery. 
The ring signature's prospects are new and developing.  There is far more future than history in this, and thus, opportunity.
Especially for someone that values their privacy as you do.

XMR is sort of running away with the competition now, so it would be great to have a closer battle.  More evolution from both.
You would likely be welcomed among XMR's noble opposition.

The endgame is possibly for these to ultimately join, or create a new joint effort coin, or something else, who knows?
As an admitted XMR fan, I put my support (and a bit of money) on that horse in this race, but I'd be foolish if I were not also owning BBR and saving up for what may yet come.
1252  Other / Archival / Re: delete on: October 04, 2014, 04:05:02 PM
That most us users don't even donate what might be a reasonable cost for software development is also shameful.

If only somebody would invent a way for users to crowd fund software with a single click, maybe whilst also giving reputation. That would help software development massively!
Yeah, if only we had something like
BitMark Smiley
Thanks for joining, and pitching in.   Grin
1253  Other / Archival / Re: delete on: October 04, 2014, 03:54:50 PM
Oh, so you responded with a whitepaper. Really? Where is it?

I said I was writing one. I didn't say I completed it yet or that I have any reason to need to release it now.

Hey it is fine with me if you all don't take BCX seriously.

Apparently there have not been many confirmed TW attacks, and I don't know if any actually killed a coin. Apparently BCX stopped the Auroracoin threat. It will be interesting to see how he backpedals on this current threat.

I take BCX very seriously, and also with a grain silo of salt.
There are valid reasons for FUD.  There are also invalid reasons for FUD.
Some of the invalid reasons are almost comically funny, some are wry.
So there is misdirection, humor, ambiguity, and vicious predation in action, all part of the fog of war.

When I see invalid FUD, based on what I see as obviously wrong interpretations, it may be a market opportunity for those that see through the fog, but also begs to have that fog burned away by the light of truth.  In this way perception matters.  But, my efforts are less anti-FUD, than anti-falsity.  Knowledge assuages fear, and doubt.

TFM, You have given me reasonable fears and unreasonable ones too.  You also worry about my confirmation biases, as do I.  In the end I don't care so much whether I started out as right or wrong, so much as that together, we get to the right answer.  I "win" an argument, when it leads to the truth, especially when it is not where I started.

1254  Other / Archival / Re: delete on: October 04, 2014, 03:21:53 PM
I never heard of dedicated and concerned developers that expected everything to be handed to them on a silver platter in completely polished form so they don't have to do any work.
Right.  That is the expectation of users, not developers.

That most us users don't even donate what might be a reasonable cost for software development is also shameful.
1255  Other / Archival / Re: delete on: October 04, 2014, 03:09:32 PM
Disagree. Blacklisting entire anonymity sets is legally and politically plausible (but I don't know how realistic any delisting is, certainly if mining is centralized it is much more realistic), and the anonymity set can't increase once blacklisted without culpability on the part of the users. Well at least for ring signatures. Thanks for helping me (re-)discover a key qualitative distinction which is very negative on ring signatures.
That ring signatures make blacklisting more useless or difficult, may be negative or positive depending on one's views on fungibility and blacklisting.
1256  Other / Archival / Re: delete on: October 04, 2014, 03:03:03 PM
The universe has no edge
Yes, it is a very dull place, mostly.

No edge is a fair bet.
1257  Other / Archival / Re: delete on: October 04, 2014, 11:59:40 AM
Certainly ring sigs don't automatically cause massive numbers of otherwise-unrelated transactions to suddenly depend on a rejected fork, especially if the fork is of limited duration. Granted there are slightly more dependencies, but that is quantitative difference not a qualitative one.

I posited to NewLiberty upthread that the development of a Gordian knot would depend on the duration of such an attack.

I argue it it also qualitative because my outputs get mixed in rings without my permission. Thus I can't spend in times of such an attack without incurring the risk that my spend must be unwound. Whether I know an attack is underway is irrelevant.

The Gordian knot problem remains interesting to me because it suggests an avenue of protocol improvement making CN more robust.
It presents a special case of managing a transaction where some ring signer (such as may result from a coinbase spend) is not valid due it being on a fork-to-be-orphaned, but the transaction ought be valid.

There is already some buttressing for this (in that fresh block rewards are unspendable for a good number of blocks).  Which in practicality, amounts to a race between miners fixing checkpoints, and block rewards becoming spendable (this is the case for all coins not just CN, XMR however has a leg up in these races because no recompile is needed for the checkpoints).
1258  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Anyone following the ebola outbreak? on: October 03, 2014, 06:35:48 PM


And pick up these before going to the airport.  Prices are always higher at airports.  Grin

Before too long they may be handy to keep around when going to gas stations, and grocery shopping too.
1259  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency (mandatory upgrade) on: October 03, 2014, 06:32:31 PM
ccedk opened the monero markets

That was pretty fast, good for them.
1260  Other / Archival / Re: delete on: October 03, 2014, 06:30:18 PM
He has definitely eluded to the fact that 72 hours was the deadline or he "kills" it. Yet now he wants to back pedal and say that it will take him 22 days because he made a post months ago but never referencing it until just a few days ago when the implication was 3 days not 22 days.

I doubt he only wrote that months ago, because I hadn't heard of BCX before late September, and I had read that 22 days post in late September before it was mentioned recently.

I agree someone is back pedaling.


No one is back peddling, I said 72 hours and I would kill it, not kill it instantly.

Decline was in reference to a post I made about price.

I realize you Mangos are mostly illeterate but from now on I will type slowly as I know you do not read too fast.  Cheesy


~BCX~

lol If you say so.

This is coming from the guy/girl/shim/whatever who chooses to remain anonymous. Don't make me laugh. At this point you are no better than RealSoiled who also did the same. Cheesy

At least we know the real reason why now, Smoothie. 
BCX is concerned that XMR may become 'better than bitcoin' or 'better than litecoin' and is trying to protect existing holdings from that.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=789978.msg9068159#msg9068159

So much for 'forced evolution', though we got that too.
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