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641  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: NFTs in the Bitcoin blockchain - Ordinal Theory on: December 30, 2023, 02:36:51 PM
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1. While it's true you can prune witness data, AFAIK there's no full node which let you do that.
2. It's still waste of block size since Ordinals TX has size more than 0. Possibility of pruning witness data actually means it's not waste of storage space.
The point is Ordinals embeds data in the structure of the blocks that store witness data, not the part of the block where the UTXO set resides. In that context, I don't know what's "wasted" because none of the embedded data is "stealing" space from actual Bitcoin transactions. Plus as a consensus rule, the block size is regulated up to 4MB. It's allowed to be that large.

What? There's no part of block dedicated to store UTXO set. UTXO set is created by your full node. As a reminder, SegWit and Taproot TX include data classified as witness data.


Pardon me, I try to learn but I'm not very technical, but I believe you already knew what I was trying to say, that those dick pics and fart sounds in Ordinals are not embedded in the part of the block where the transactions reside if a user sends Bitcoin. They go to the part of the block where the witness data reside.

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It's definitely more concerning, although it's easier to make such TX become non-standard.
Does making them non-standard come with a hard fork?


No, it only requires node operator update their node software which doesn't relay non-standard TX. But miner could include those non-standard TX on their block and deemed valid by other node.


Technically, from the viewpoint of the Bitcoin network with the current consensus rules, are Bitcoin Stamps "non-standard" transactions?
642  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: NFTs in the Bitcoin blockchain - Ordinal Theory on: December 30, 2023, 09:10:27 AM
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It's obviously wrong, Ordinals TX has size more than 0.
I didn't say Ordinals transaction size isn't zero. I said technically it isn't a waste in block space. Why? Because the data isn't embedded within the structure where the UTXO set is stored. It goes to the structure of the block where witness data are stored, which is prunable.

1. While it's true you can prune witness data, AFAIK there's no full node which let you do that.
2. It's still waste of block size since Ordinals TX has size more than 0. Possibility of pruning witness data actually means it's not waste of storage space.


The point is Ordinals embeds data in the structure of the blocks that store witness data, not the part of the block where the UTXO set resides. In that context, I don't know what's "wasted" because none of the embedded data is "stealing" space from actual Bitcoin transactions. Plus as a consensus rule, the block size is regulated up to 4MB. It's allowed to be that large.

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But Bitcoin Stamps is something different, and it should be more concerning in my opinion.


It's definitely more concerning, although it's easier to make such TX become non-standard.


Does making them non-standard come with a hard fork?
643  Economy / Speculation / Re: Buy the DIP, and HODL! on: December 29, 2023, 03:26:40 PM
Have running almost one year with my investing bitcoin accumulation but I start around $150 every week and raise $600 in monthly for investing in bitcoin, wish have stable financial and keep consistency investing or accumulation as much possible in bitcoin until several years later.

The ideal time to run a DCA strategy is when an investor has a consistent cash inflow or outflow, and at that point, they can run the strategy for as long as they want, up to several years, with any weekly investment amount.

Without a reliable source of income, I doubt someone would invest in bitcoin on a weekly or monthly basis, much less being consistent over a year, if that were the case.


I have already posted about this before, but it's also very important for those people who are still single, with no/minimal responsibilities in life, to be reminded NOT to take their youth and being single for granted. Take it as an opporutnity to save portions of their salary and make a high-conviction investment/HODL in Bitcoin. They will definitely have higher probability for success because they could continue to HODL through the bear cycles without worrying much about their finances.

That's what I'm doing even if I'm married since I regret for not saving bitcoin before while the price is so cheap and don't want this to happen again. Bitcoin right now had so big potential that's why its really good for us to save some for future. Bitcoin future is so good since it already reach on mainstream so I expect that more adoption will happen on it and this halving event would bring a lot of exposure to bitcoin especially if a lot of people see some outstanding price growth of this coin.

But if they can't afford to buy some amount because they think investing or trading it is more convenient to them then I guess what's more ideal there is to separate some part of their profit intended for long term hodl so that they may have some amount to use in future especially if they aim a huge success in future.


I would then suggest that you shouldn't let your wife hold your private keys for you. OR not to let her know that you do HODL Bitcoin. I'm merely joking, or probably half-joking. Haha.

Another suggestion you could do if you're already married is, probably delay having kids? Less expenses =More savings. What's more two years of waiting while you're preparing your finances for your future.
644  Economy / Economics / Re: China's real-estate sector is NOT doing well, it might bring whole economy down on: December 29, 2023, 03:03:47 PM
But like all economies around different regions of the world, an economy can't expand forever, and not especially China's economy for the zoomed out long term. Why? Because currently their population is getting older. They're slowly not having enough young people to support the older generation = China's population is dying.

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i really do wonder where windfury gets his information from


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Population development in China

Population development in China over the past decades has been strongly influenced by political and economic factors. After a time of high fertility rates during the Maoist regime, China introduced birth-control measures in the 1970s, including the so-called one-child policy. The fertility rate dropped accordingly from around six children per woman in the 1960s to below two at the end of the 20th century. At the same time, life expectancy increased consistently. In the face of a rapidly aging society, the government gradually lifted the one-child policy after 2012, finally arriving at a three-child policy in 2021. However, like in most other developed countries nowadays, people in China are reluctant to have more than one or two children due to high costs of living and education, as well as changed social norms and private values.

China’s top-heavy age pyramid

The above-mentioned developments are clearly reflected in the Chinese age pyramid. The age cohorts between 30 and 39 years are the last two larger age cohorts. The cohorts between 15 and 24, which now enter childbearing age, are decisively smaller, which will have a negative effect on the number of births in the coming decade. When looking at a gender distribution of the population pyramid, a considerable gender gap among the younger age cohorts becomes visible, leaving even less room for growth in birth figures.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1101677/population-distribution-by-detailed-age-group-in-china/


frankandbeans trying to look smart and trying to gaslight people again by comparing Chinese and U.S. population demographics, then making, what he defintely knows, is a false conclusion.

You're a mere troll frankyandbeans, and more and more people are starting to see that. Everyone needs to look at your trust-rating to see what you're doing. It's not working anymore. Some people have learned, the hard way, by listening to you, and other people have become smarter by not listening to you.

But zoomed out long-term, it might be impossible for China to support their economy through domestic demand. Why? Because their population is dying.

It's not supposed to "fully" support Chinese economy, it's only one piece of a much bigger puzzle. China is the strategic economy partner of 120+ countries. As I said their exports to the world is massive and it is still increasing.


Yet they're "going to kill" the U.S. Dollar and the West, the biggest consumers of manufactured goods made in China. Plus exports are massive and increasing only because the demand is still increasing. China should be supporting their western counterparts.

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Besides their ~1.5 billion population isn't "dying" just because birth rates have come down a little!


"A little" today is projected to be a big concern three decades from now.
645  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: 'Attack on Bitcoin’ Claims Circulate as Transaction Fees Climb Higher on: December 29, 2023, 10:15:15 AM
Agree with all said here, the Ordinals guys will run out of money or move onto the next stupid craze. It’s disruptive & makes fees much higher but I think they will move onto something else soon. It’s like the ICO craze of 2017, the NFT craze of 2020/21. Those crazes dried up & people got bored, they will also get bored of stupid images stored on the blockchain too.

There's no utility in Ordinals inscriptions. Most of them are driven by hype more than anything else (pure speculation). Everybody wants to get rich, right? It will be all over faster than you could imagine. In the meantime, I'd suggest you hold onto your BTC unless it's really something important.

Moving out of BTC into an altcoin can be challenging, especially if on-chain fees stay high for long periods of time. Getting paid directly in an altcoin of your choice (or even the LN) may be your best bet of avoiding high fees altogether. Many users are angry of Bitcoin's current situation, so it should only be a matter of time before the dust settles. As long as decentralization is preserved, there should be nothing to worry about. Smiley


The situation is VERY annoying, but as what has been said before, Bitcoin is still doing its job, and doing its job well. It has been chugging along, producing block after block, while also incentivizing the providers of network security. But is it currently giving its users the best UX? NO, and although I agree that something should be done, I believe it shouldn't be taken by the community as a sort of drama/social/philosophical issue. I believe many developers would contend that it's a technical issue.
646  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: It will save your capital more than you can imagine on: December 29, 2023, 08:23:43 AM
Stop loss is not always the answer to everything in trading when it comes to saving one's capital or investment because the type of cryptocurrency and the type of trading you choose for your trading are also important cause they are what will determine your decision.

There are  situations whereby the moment the trader chooses to stop loss or close the deal is when the market will reverse.


That's very true especially if the "trader" chooses to trade low-liquidity shitcoins. The usual situation that happens is, it goes down to your stop-loss, you close the trade, then it surges 3x mere moments later leaving you with a loss and a lot of frustration. Cool

There's probably only 50% of the 10% of profitable traders that truly make money consistently to be a semi-professional bedroom trader. Some of us either become part of the 10% ourselves or lose all of our money.
647  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: NFTs in the Bitcoin blockchain - Ordinal Theory on: December 29, 2023, 08:09:47 AM
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Ordinals are a waste of block space but what can we do? miners just want profits and they'll mine blocks irrespective of what they contain.
Technically it isn't a waste in block space. It doesn't take the space from actual Bitcoin transactions.

It's obviously wrong, Ordinals TX has size more than 0.


I didn't say Ordinals transaction size isn't zero. I said technically it isn't a waste in block space. Why? Because the data isn't embedded within the structure where the UTXO set is stored. It goes to the structure of the block where witness data are stored, which is prunable.

But Bitcoin Stamps is something different, and it should be more concerning in my opinion.
648  Bitcoin / Wallet software / Re: Opinions on Phoenix Wallet? on: December 28, 2023, 05:05:22 PM
A closure of such channels may make sense for Phoenix.

You're right, my reasoning was wrong. Most of the funds are locked on Phoenix' end of the channel, and they locked even more than I deposited. Makes me wonder how profitable this is for them: it looks like they're just HODLing their funds in open channels, but they can't earn much unless people send and receive many transactions.


But because Phoenix is building an app that wants to give its users a good UX when using the Lightning Network, then they need to accept the opportunity-cost and boot-strap the the network with liquidity from their own wallet. They may currently not earn much today, but given the need for layered privacy and low fees for small transactions, it could help increase the demand for payment channels.
649  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: It will save your capital more than you can imagine on: December 28, 2023, 04:46:26 PM
Learn to cut your loss, yes I mean it, the are so many rules and skills in trading which in other to succeed in trading you must utilize to the maximum, and one one them is learn to cut your loss if it's obvious that holding your position will do more harm tham good.
Most traders have fail to understand that in trading it's very important to keep your ego aside and admit when you are wrong, cut your loss early so that you can try again .

If you are using leverage, you can open a position and set take profit and stop loss. But if you use averaging, that may not come your mind. Using stop loss depends on the type of trader that you are.


It also depends on the type of asset you're buying. Cool

Nascent altcoins built and maintained by good developers might give the investor some long-term probability that the investment will gain a good ROI, despite its flaws. But a shitcoin, that's very volatile and unpredictable, that definitely needs a stop-loss. The problem is where do you place the stop-loss if it's very volatile? You could be stopped out if placed too near the average price entry, and taking a larger loss if it's too wide.

The best decision = HODL, or take a long-term investment in the best cryptocurrency. Bitcoin.
650  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Arthur Hayes Believes ETFs Might Cause the Demise of Bitcoin on: December 28, 2023, 03:42:29 PM
I think more so I would be afraid of the bitcoin market manipulation via ETF/Futures contracts trading. But at the same time these markets are completely stand alone from bitcoin and shouldn't have that much affect on the coin price but it honestly probably will have a huge impact. As good as it will be at the start for new money flooding into bitcoin i'm not so sure on the long term outlook if you're looking at it from that perspective and how they have manipulated markets like the precious metals markets.


I believe "the issue" that everyone should become more informed AND POSSIBLY afraid of is the paragraph that mentions BlackRock and how it might choose which fork it considers "the Real Bitcoin".

I don't know if the contents in this paragraph was made as a mere protection mechanism for BlackRock and its ETF, but if they form a cabal with other ETF issuers and hold more than 50% of the total supply, they may accumulate too much influence over the network.

Tin-foil hats on, probably start a hash war and have their chosen fork as "Bitcoin"?



¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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In the event of a hard fork of the Bitcoin network, the Sponsor will, if permitted by the terms of the Trust Agreement, use its discretion to determine which network should be considered the appropriate network for the Trust’s purposes, and in doing so may adversely affect the value of the Shares.
 
In the event of a hard fork of the Bitcoin network, the Sponsor will, as permitted by the terms of the Trust Agreement, use its sole discretion to determine, in good faith, which peer-to-peer network, among a group of incompatible forks of the Bitcoin network, is generally accepted as the Bitcoin network and should therefore be considered the appropriate network for the Trust’s purposes.

The Sponsor will base its determination on whatever factors it deems relevant, including but not limited to, the Sponsor’s beliefs regarding expectations of the core developers of bitcoin, users, services, businesses, miners and other constituencies, as well as the actual continued acceptance of, mining power on, and community engagement with, the Bitcoin network, or whatever other factors it deems relevant.

There is no guarantee that the Sponsor will choose the digital asset that is ultimately the most valuable fork, and the Sponsor’s decision may adversely affect the value of the Shares as a result.

The Sponsor may also disagree with Shareholders, the Bitcoin Custodian, other service providers, the Index Administrator, cryptocurrency exchanges, or other market participants on what is generally accepted as bitcoin and should therefore be considered “bitcoin” for the Trust’s purposes, which may also adversely affect the value of the Shares as a result.

https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1980994/000143774923017574/bit20230608_s1.htm

651  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Arthur Hayes Believes ETFs Might Cause the Demise of Bitcoin on: December 28, 2023, 06:51:22 AM
Merry Xmas you all I came across a news today that pick my interest, it was about author Hayes view on Bitcoin ETFs approval which I found as a breath of fresh air of someone thinking about the negative impact ETF might have on Bitcoin. IMO I think that Can only happen in the worse case scenario.

Checkout the link: https://cointelegraph.com/news/spot-bitcoin-etf-could-completely-destroy-bitcoin-arthur-hayes

And let me hear your thoughts  

Why on earth would anyone listen to someone like Arthur Hayes? He is not a voice for Bitcoin and never will be.

Arthur Hayes has been screwing investors over with his shady, Seychellen-based exchange and has even gotten in legal trouble over it. BitMEX was ordered in 2021 by federal court to pay $100 Million USD for illegally operating an exchange and for anti-money-laundering violations.

A Bitcoin ETF has the potential of ruining or improving the public image of Bitcoin, but for all intents and purposes, it is nothing but "Paper-Bitcoin" with no technical connection to the real Bitcoin other than an on-paper promise that it is backed by actual BTC. ETFs are basically NFTs.


But he does have a point. Because what's the threshold in how much of the total supply should be stored in centralized vaults before Bitcoin is considered "a failure"? If more than 50% of the total supply are held and controlled by a cabal, it would definitely NOT be good for Bitcoin from a supply distribution/decentralization viewpoint. That cabal would have the market cornered. Who would want to start a company built on top of Bitcoin under such a situation? The environment could be manipulated against those that want to compete against the cabal.
652  Economy / Gambling / Re: ⚡️⚡️Betplay.io - Lightning Network Casino - INSTANT & ZERO FEE Payments ⚡️⚡️ on: December 27, 2023, 02:50:44 PM
BetPlay Group, I have a suggestion. With the mempool constantly being congested caused by high demand for block space, it's probably good to start promoting the feature you have that probably no other casino has adopted right now = Lightning Network deposits and withdrawals.

I believe deposit bonuses + extra free spins for users that deposit through the Lightning Network would encourage users and make them more aware that there are other methods to deposit Bitcoin in your casino.
653  Economy / Economics / Re: China's real-estate sector is NOT doing well, it might bring whole economy down on: December 27, 2023, 02:39:21 PM
But like all economies around different regions of the world, an economy can't expand forever, and not especially China's economy for the zoomed out long term.

Currently, I have been reading that China's five largest state-owned banks have cut deposit interest rates to discourage people from saving and stimulate spending.

I disagree. It all comes down to demand. The demand for Chinese goods is increasing. Check out the massive and still increasing trade deficits between China and any country you like, it is in hundreds of billions specially with largest economies like US. With recession and inflation in the world this will continue growing faster too. That is why they keep Yuan exchange rate weak.


A Recession means that a country's economy is slowing down to a point that it has negative growth year on year, a technical recession is two consecutive quarters of negative growth.

That definitely makes businesses start laying off a percentage of the labor force - making unemployment surge, and if unemployment surges - demand goes down for both domestic and imported products/services.

Inflation won't be good too, because if prices for goods and services continue to be high, then people's savings will run out and eventually that will cause a recession.

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The only way that it would stop growing is if the Chinese government allows Yuan to get stronger (increase exchange rate) against other fiat currencies (which they'll never do) or if other fiat currencies like dollar and euro get dumped as low as Yuan to be able to compete with Chinese products, 1 USD is about 7 Yuan and that's how much it should dump for any hope of competition (which will also not happen because they tend to keep the interest rates high to keep the exchange rate artificially high).

What we see these days like the second line of your comment above is meant to strengthen the domestic economy and keep the economy healthy while the global market becomes volatile due to recession (less overall foreign demand in short term).


But zoomed out long-term, it might be impossible for China to support their economy through domestic demand. Why? Because their population is dying.
654  Economy / Speculation / Re: Buy the DIP, and HODL! on: December 27, 2023, 11:27:19 AM
Have running almost one year with my investing bitcoin accumulation but I start around $150 every week and raise $600 in monthly for investing in bitcoin, wish have stable financial and keep consistency investing or accumulation as much possible in bitcoin until several years later.

The ideal time to run a DCA strategy is when an investor has a consistent cash inflow or outflow, and at that point, they can run the strategy for as long as they want, up to several years, with any weekly investment amount.

Without a reliable source of income, I doubt someone would invest in bitcoin on a weekly or monthly basis, much less being consistent over a year, if that were the case.


I have already posted about this before, but it's also very important for those people who are still single, with no/minimal responsibilities in life, to be reminded NOT to take their youth and being single for granted. Take it as an opporutnity to save portions of their salary and make a high-conviction investment/HODL in Bitcoin. They will definitely have higher probability for success because they could continue to HODL through the bear cycles without worrying much about their finances.
655  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: 'Attack on Bitcoin’ Claims Circulate as Transaction Fees Climb Higher on: December 27, 2023, 11:05:13 AM
There's no easy way to undo ordinals at this point. You are going to need to gather enough capital and mining power involved to basically push for what would be a BTC hardfork without ordinals, and this would need to be done in a way that guarantees no future ordinals are possible, but then again, how do you this without causing another hardfork civil war, and how do you do it without getting rid of taproot? because if taproot is possible, I believe there could be ways around any restrictions put into ordinals to come up with alternatives.

It's all because of SegWit + Taproot. Without those upgrades, Bitcoin would've stayed a pure money system by now. Forks like BCH and BSV didn't need Taproot because they took a different approach for scaling (increasing the block size). They are safe from Ordinals. Now BTC developers would need to find a way to lower the fees without censoring Ordinals inscriptions. I know miners won't like this, but it's the majority that counts (users, node operators, businesses, etc). If a super majority approves a reduction on network fees, miners would have no choice but to "go with the flow".


Ordinals happened because of Segwit + Taproot? Can a developer correct me on what I'm about to post, but no ser. Ordinals would have still happened without Segwit + Taproot, and if the network didn't have Segwit, Ordinals would be embedding arbitrary data within the blocks itself, not in the structure where the witness data resides - which is prunable.

Plus merely increasing the block size at the cost of centralizing the network is not scaling.


Now BTC developers would need to find a way to lower the fees without censoring Ordinals inscriptions.


bitcoin has always censored transactions.. thats what validation rules are for!!!
its why we dont see LTC BCH BCV XRP, DOGE transactions in the bitcoin blockchain
its why we dont see double spends, dust and a whole array of other cases of transactions that didnt fit the ruleset


 Roll Eyes

frankandbeans, stop gaslighting Abiky. The full nodes enforcing the network's consensus rules is NOT censorship.
656  Bitcoin / Wallet software / Re: Wasabi Wallet - Open Source, Noncustodial Coinjoin Software on: December 26, 2023, 04:05:12 PM
@Wind_FURY
Exploits as in the hacked money the authorities claim went through the mixer.


OK, I thought you were talking about system vulnerabilities/security flaws.

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Have they sanctioned and traced where those funds went? It doesn't seem like it. It looks like sloppy work putting an escrow address of a signature campaign on a sanctions list and patting yourself on the shoulders, saying that you made a difference somehow.


That's the point that I have been trying to emphasize. I don't have any problem if the authorities/law enforcement do their jobs. But we need refutability against their claims because how do we truly verify if they're doing their jobs properly, or not.

I also don't have any problem if a company decides to hire the services of a blockchain analysis company. As a centralized entity it's their decision and it's not illegal. BUT as a community I believe as a matter of ethics, they should always give their users the benefit of the doubt.
657  Economy / Gambling / Re: What do you want to see in casino reviews? on: December 26, 2023, 09:30:23 AM
I can say what i don`t want to see. Referral links or some marketing tricks that makes me to give some profit to review owner. I can`t believe that the review is truth in such situation.
The best review of any casino for me is the list of advantages, the list of games, KYC, withdraw/deposit restrictions. That`s all.


Referral links are OK in my opinion, as long as the review site makes it clear that you're going to sign up through their referral link, AND as long as the person signing up could also get a better cash-back deal/incentive if he/she signs through the site's referral link.

I believe many review sites are not doing that to get better margins from new sign-ups, but I believe if they did, they might scale their business and get more sign-ups even though they'll have smaller margins.
658  Economy / Gambling / Re: What do you want to see in casino reviews? on: December 25, 2023, 04:43:41 PM

3. What should a casino review contain to make you read it?


I want to read actual reviews and experiences from actual people/admins working in the review website. Post about real user experiences, and update them to compare from past reviews if the casino improved its service/UX, or if it has gotten worse since last review.

Plus the people have currently become smarter. I suggest avoid using generic reviews that make it obvious that the "reviewer" didn't spend some time in the casino that he/she is reviewing.
659  Economy / Gambling / Re: 🎰🎰🎰 Wagabet.com 🎰🎰🎰 unique cool games - 100% provably fair - wager bonuses on: December 25, 2023, 04:24:19 PM
Hey right, current situation with Bitcoin Chain Fees is really insane. And it's not even clear when the fee situation can settle down. Obviously many players even very much interested in playing at our website may hesitate to deposit not to pay such fees.

So definitely we will be introducing new currencies soon.

That would be great if you guys could tell what you think we should add - which currencies the community prefers more.  

Let's make a list of top-3 most requested!
Throw ideas right here please!

Much appreciated!


Because your service already accepts Bitcoin, why not start supporting Bitcoin deposits and withdrawals through the Lightning Network? It's faster than on-chain transactions, it has cheaper fees, and Lightning definitely adds a layer of privacy for users.

BetPlay has already adopted it, and it would make Lightning better if a service such as yours would start supporting it too. Perhaps you could contact them if you need some feedback and technical questions.
660  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Shuffle.com ⚽ 🏈 Sports Betting Contest Discussion | Round 1 live on: December 25, 2023, 11:55:18 AM

Gennady the whale casino player from BlackJack.Fun? He will probably make 1,000 sports bets for mere fun with $3.00 each just to win $200? Cool

I may need the names of the best gamblers in the forum to assist me.

xGennady...will be watching out for this lad we have been warned  Roll Eyes

Round 2 could have a totally different layout of positions once sig payments go out as I didn't see some players participate for this reason and could be joining in RD2

Otherwise fingers crossed, hope to be on the podium if luck will be on my side.


Hahaha. It's true, he's a top player in BlackJack.Fun by volume. He was consistent in the top 5 of the casino's weekly and monthly wagering tournament, and he probably has more free spins than anyone that he might be hurting "Diggy's hole". The users in their chat-box will know what I'm talking about. Cool

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Little Mouse, when will the next round start? Plus can we use multi-bets to qualify as long as the odds are more than 1.50? It will be counted as one bet, obviously.

Next round will be tougher than the first and already some big hitters have been spotted...no mentioning of names here lol


Give us one name?

¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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