Hey jeremy, no problem with the promo. All books can throw some promos in as long as it's not excessive and no book has ever gone overboard yet.
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Update: SportsBooks | | | Rating | | | Year | | | Country | | | KYC | | | MISC | | | Promos | | | Support | | | BCT thread | | | | --------------------- | | | -------- | | | -------- | | | ---------- | | | ------ | | | ----------------------------------- | | | ------------ | | | ---------------------- | | | ------------ | | | "A" rated books | | Nitrobetting | | | A+ | | | 2013 | | | Costa Rica | | | 1 | | | Racebook, Poker, Sports Bonus | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Betcoin | | | A+ | | | 2013 | | | Curacao | | | 1 | | | Racebook and 2 different lines for sports | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | MBet | | | | | | 2017 | | | Cyprus | | | 2 | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | "B" rated books | | Stake | | | B | | | 2019 | | | Curacao | | | 4 | | | opened as casino 2014 | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Bistler | | | B- | | | 2015 | | | Curacao | | | 2 | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Fortune Jack | | | B- | | | 2019 | | | Curacao | | | 2 | | | opened as casino 2014 | | | | | | | | | | | | | | "C" rated books | | Betfury | | | C+ | | | 2020 | | | Curacao | | | 3 | | | - | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Cloudbet | | | C+ | | | 2013 | | | Curacao | | | 3 | | | Sports Bonus | | | | | | | | | | | | Roobet | | | C+ | | | 2019 | | | Curacao | | | 4 | | | - | | | | | | | | | | | | Duelbits | | | C | | | 2020 | | | Curacao | | | - | | | - | | | | | | | | | | | | Sportsbet | | | C | | | 2016 | | | Curacao | | | 3 | | | Racebook | | | | | | | | | | | | Maverickgames | | | C | | | 2020 | | | Isle of Man | | | 5 | | | - | | | | | | | | | | | | Owl | | | C | | | 2021 | | | Curacao | | | - | | | - | | | | | | | | | | | | Rollbit | | | C | | | 2021 | | | Curacao | | | - | | | - | | | | | | | | | | | | Trustdice | | | C | | | 2019 | | | Curacao | | | - | | | - | | | | | | | | | | | | Anonibet | | | C- | | | 2011 | | | - | | | 0 | | | Sports Bonus | | | | | | | | | | | | Parlayplus | | | C- | | | 2019 | | | - | | | 2 | | | - | | | | | | | | | | | | Wolf | | | C- | | | 2019 | | | Curacao | | | - | | | - | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
"D" , "F" and misc info https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=717790.0
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Add websport.io (2023) to NR.
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This thread kinda fucked me because i registered with fortunejack scam. They didn't let me withdraw unless I play their %10 RTP games with 2x of my initial deposit. Basically there's no way you can win money in this casino. Please add it to scams.
Hi Vrs, thank for the warning on Fortunejack's casino. The ratings are more for sports betting and race book betting rather than the casino. While the rollover for the casino is 2x, it's only .5x for sports. If you deposit $500, then you have to wager $250 before asking for a withdrawal.
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And lastly, like you both have stated, if nothing worrisome is found on the Ann thread, the user can then proceed to checking the scam and accusation board for possible issues users had previously had with such casino and see how it was treated, i believe with this steps, any new gambler on this forum looking for a casino to play on will make the best decision in choosing a casino.
The ANN Thread is the easiest way to verify if a gambling site is legit or not. We are in a big community where lots of DT members are active; they won't allow the newbies to be misled. If a gambling site is shady, they'll tag it for awareness. And if we still miss that, then we should blame ourselves, as we have no room in gambling if we don't know how to choose a legit gambling site. All ANN threads are here. SportsBooks | | | Rating | | | Year | | | Country | | | KYC | | | MISC | | | Promos | | | Support | | | BCT thread | | | | --------------------- | | | -------- | | | -------- | | | ---------- | | | ------ | | | ----------------------------------- | | | ------------ | | | ---------------------- | | | ------------ | | | "A" rated books | | Nitrobetting | | | A+ | | | 2013 | | | Costa Rica | | | 1 | | | Racebook, Poker, Sports Bonus | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Betcoin | | | A+ | | | 2013 | | | Curacao | | | 1 | | | Racebook and 2 different lines for sports | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | MBet | | | | | | 2017 | | | Cyprus | | | 2 | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | "B" rated books | | Stake | | | B | | | 2019 | | | Curacao | | | 4 | | | opened as casino 2014 | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Bistler | | | B- | | | 2015 | | | Curacao | | | 2 | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Fortune Jack | | | B- | | | 2019 | | | Curacao | | | 2 | | | opened as casino 2014 | | | | | | | | | | | | | | "C" rated books | | Betfury | | | C+ | | | 2020 | | | Curacao | | | 3 | | | - | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Cloudbet | | | C+ | | | 2013 | | | Curacao | | | 3 | | | Sports Bonus | | | | | | | | | | | | Roobet | | | C+ | | | 2019 | | | Curacao | | | 4 | | | - | | | | | | | | | | | | Duelbits | | | C | | | 2020 | | | Curacao | | | - | | | - | | | | | | | | | | | | Sportsbet | | | C | | | 2016 | | | Curacao | | | 3 | | | Racebook | | | | | | | | | | | | Maverickgames | | | C | | | 2020 | | | Isle of Man | | | 5 | | | - | | | | | | | | | | | | Owl | | | C | | | 2021 | | | Curacao | | | - | | | - | | | | | | | | | | | | Rollbit | | | C | | | 2021 | | | Curacao | | | - | | | - | | | | | | | | | | | | Trustdice | | | C | | | 2019 | | | Curacao | | | - | | | - | | | | | | | | | | | | Anonibet | | | C- | | | 2011 | | | - | | | 0 | | | Sports Bonus | | | | | | | | | | | | Parlayplus | | | C- | | | 2019 | | | - | | | 2 | | | - | | | | | | | | | | | | Wolf | | | C- | | | 2019 | | | Curacao | | | - | | | - | | | | | | | | | | | | | | https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=717790.0
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Predictious should be removed from the second post. I noticed the link isn't working and saw their last tweet about stopping their prediction market. Freebitco.in also updated their terms for KYC, now they're at the same level as most crypto sportsbooks where they can ask for verification. Thanks ralle! Predictious has been deleted. Hate to see the KYC news concerning Freebitco.in. Let's hope they keep it to a minimum.
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It's not possible to do because of the amount of money someone would have to bet at 1.01. A person would need to bet $1,000,000 to launder $10,000. No one is going to do that and if a person tries to cashout $1,010,000 there is going to be KYC.
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I don`t read the thread but i`m sure that the members gave all interesting casinos. I have another question. Why the OP don`t want to spend 10 minutes and make his own research? It would be easy to find information himself and don`t believe unknown members. And it would take more time to read this thread.
I'll post all the information instead of just the link so that people can easily find the ANN thread, promos and contact information. SportsBooks | | | Rating | | | Year | | | Country | | | KYC | | | MISC | | | Promos | | | Support | | | BCT thread | | | | --------------------- | | | -------- | | | -------- | | | ---------- | | | ------ | | | ----------------------------------- | | | ------------ | | | ---------------------- | | | ------------ | | | "A" rated books | | Nitrobetting | | | A+ | | | 2013 | | | Costa Rica | | | 1 | | | Racebook, Poker, Sports Bonus | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Betcoin | | | A+ | | | 2013 | | | Curacao | | | 1 | | | Racebook and 2 different lines for sports | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | MBet | | | | | | 2017 | | | Cyprus | | | 2 | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | "B" rated books | | Stake | | | B | | | 2019 | | | Curacao | | | 4 | | | opened as casino 2014 | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Bistler | | | B- | | | 2015 | | | Curacao | | | 2 | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Fortune Jack | | | B- | | | 2019 | | | Curacao | | | 2 | | | opened as casino 2014 | | | | | | | | | | | | | | "C" rated books | | Betfury | | | C+ | | | 2020 | | | Curacao | | | 3 | | | - | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Cloudbet | | | C+ | | | 2013 | | | Curacao | | | 3 | | | Sports Bonus | | | | | | | | | | | | Roobet | | | C+ | | | 2019 | | | Curacao | | | 4 | | | - | | | | | | | | | | | | Duelbits | | | C | | | 2020 | | | Curacao | | | - | | | - | | | | | | | | | | | | Sportsbet | | | C | | | 2016 | | | Curacao | | | 3 | | | Racebook | | | | | | | | | | | | Maverickgames | | | C | | | 2020 | | | Isle of Man | | | 5 | | | - | | | | | | | | | | | | Owl | | | C | | | 2021 | | | Curacao | | | - | | | - | | | | | | | | | | | | Rollbit | | | C | | | 2021 | | | Curacao | | | - | | | - | | | | | | | | | | | | Trustdice | | | C | | | 2019 | | | Curacao | | | - | | | - | | | | | | | | | | | | Anonibet | | | C- | | | 2011 | | | - | | | 0 | | | Sports Bonus | | | | | | | | | | | | Parlayplus | | | C- | | | 2019 | | | - | | | 2 | | | - | | | | | | | | | | | | Wolf | | | C- | | | 2019 | | | Curacao | | | - | | | - | | | | | | | | | | | | | | https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=717790.0
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Add Weiss.bet (2023) to NR with a KYC rating of 4.
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Firstly, you should be prepared to submit KYC at any point of time in literally every crypto gambling site out there for various reasons. Secondly, you will find similar issues that you pointed out with Stake in many other popular alternatives too.
I do agree with your opinion about Stake going to shit these days. Sites like Crypto.Games, Bitcasino, Rollbit and Duelbits are great casinos with less issues in comparison.
For sportsbooks, I recommend Sportsbet, Pinnacle(KYC mandatory) and Fairlay(Crypto betting exchange).
Recommendations would be everywhere for sure. There are even similar threads to read sich opinions and reviews. People would ofcourse be biased of the sites they have experienced or the sites they are promoting. If it is just KYC which is the issue, I would say complying qon't do you any harm if you are engaging to right gambling sites; simply those which are reputable in this industry. You may indeed go to those who does not but if those would be new ones, then think twice. Indeed there's risk with KYC but to think how long it is being implemented in this industry means that it is serving a purpose. KYC ranking of some of the sportsbooks. 0 is no KYC while 5 is mandatory. Nitrobetting 1 Betcoin 1 Stake 4 Bitsler 2 Fortunejack 2 Betfury 3 Cloudbet 3 Roobet 4
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Roobet's KYC level might have to be around 4 or 5 because when I opened my account last year, I was required to complete the level 1 KYC verification (no IDs needed and it was all personal info). Also, can you please add 500casino/csgo500 back to the list, they're previously listed under the D rated books. Thanks as always ralle! 500.casino has been reinstated as "D". Roobet listed with a KYC rating of 4.
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Hello, I been a long time sportsbetting player and have using Stake the last two years, I almost only play sportsbetting, but sometimes I can play maybe Slots & BJ to. Sine it's impossible to win on Slots & BJ on Stake.. its not an option, but since they had their good monthly bonus so I always got back some money is the reason I did choose and was loyal to Stake. Now when its more important for them to have Drake streaming and "throwing away money" then give back to their customers I am gonna stop play there and start a journey on another website. (Since now everything is nerfed on the website I cant even call Stake for a online casino anymore)
Since I been member here for couple of months, you see many sportsbetting website using this "KYC argument" when players want to cash out big winnings, so I don't want a casino that allow me to gamble and deposit but not withdrawal my earnings, be honest and you will get honestly and loyalty from me as a customer.
So now I am asking all people on the forum, where do you play and do you recommend me to play there to? (You can link affiliate is totally OK for at least me) but be honest in your intentions! I am not a high roller, but I play quite a lot monthly...
This gives links to promos, their BCT thread as well as a KYC rating. SportsBooks | | | Rating | | | Year | | | Country | | | KYC | | | MISC | | | Promos | | | Support | | | BCT thread | | | | --------------------- | | | -------- | | | -------- | | | ---------- | | | ------ | | | ----------------------------------- | | | ------------ | | | ---------------------- | | | ------------ | | | "A" rated books | | Nitrobetting | | | A+ | | | 2013 | | | Costa Rica | | | 1 | | | Racebook, Poker, Sports Bonus | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Betcoin | | | A+ | | | 2013 | | | Curacao | | | 1 | | | Racebook and 2 different lines for sports | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | MBet | | | | | | 2017 | | | Cyprus | | | 2 | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | "B" rated books | | Stake | | | B | | | 2019 | | | Curacao | | | 4 | | | opened as casino 2014 | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Bistler | | | B- | | | 2015 | | | Curacao | | | 2 | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Fortune Jack | | | B- | | | 2019 | | | Curacao | | | 2 | | | opened as casino 2014 | | | | | | | | | | | | | | "C" rated books | | Betfury | | | C+ | | | 2020 | | | Curacao | | | 3 | | | - | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Cloudbet | | | C+ | | | 2013 | | | Curacao | | | 3 | | | Sports Bonus | | | | | | | | | | | | Roobet | | | C+ | | | 2019 | | | Curacao | | | - | | | - | | | | | | | | | | | | Duelbits | | | C | | | 2020 | | | Curacao | | | - | | | - | | | | | | | | | | | | Sportsbet | | | C | | | 2016 | | | Curacao | | | 3 | | | Racebook | | | | | | | | | | | | Maverickgames | | | C | | | 2020 | | | Isle of Man | | | 5 | | | - | | | | | | | | | | | | Owl | | | C | | | 2021 | | | Curacao | | | - | | | - | | | | | | | | | | | | Rollbit | | | C | | | 2021 | | | Curacao | | | - | | | - | | | | | | | | | | | | Trustdice | | | C | | | 2019 | | | Curacao | | | - | | | - | | | | | | | | | | | | Anonibet | | | C- | | | 2011 | | | - | | | 0 | | | Sports Bonus | | | | | | | | | | | | Parlayplus | | | C- | | | 2019 | | | - | | | 2 | | | - | | | | | | | | | | | | Wolf | | | C- | | | 2019 | | | Curacao | | | - | | | - | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
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Update: SportsBooks | | | Rating | | | Year | | | Country | | | KYC | | | MISC | | | Promos | | | Support | | | BCT thread | | | | --------------------- | | | -------- | | | -------- | | | ---------- | | | ------ | | | ----------------------------------- | | | ------------ | | | ---------------------- | | | ------------ | | | "A" rated books | | Nitrobetting | | | A+ | | | 2013 | | | Costa Rica | | | 1 | | | Racebook, Poker, Sports Bonus | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Betcoin | | | A+ | | | 2013 | | | Curacao | | | 1 | | | Racebook and 2 different lines for sports | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | MBet | | | | | | 2017 | | | Cyprus | | | 2 | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | "B" rated books | | Stake | | | B | | | 2019 | | | Curacao | | | 4 | | | opened as casino 2014 | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Bistler | | | B- | | | 2015 | | | Curacao | | | 2 | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Fortune Jack | | | B- | | | 2019 | | | Curacao | | | 2 | | | opened as casino 2014 | | | | | | | | | | | | | | "C" rated books | | Betfury | | | C+ | | | 2020 | | | Curacao | | | 3 | | | - | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Cloudbet | | | C+ | | | 2013 | | | Curacao | | | 3 | | | Sports Bonus | | | | | | | | | | | | Roobet | | | C+ | | | 2019 | | | Curacao | | | - | | | - | | | | | | | | | | | | Duelbits | | | C | | | 2020 | | | Curacao | | | - | | | - | | | | | | | | | | | | Sportsbet | | | C | | | 2016 | | | Curacao | | | 3 | | | Racebook | | | | | | | | | | | | Maverickgames | | | C | | | 2020 | | | Isle of Man | | | 5 | | | - | | | | | | | | | | | | Owl | | | C | | | 2021 | | | Curacao | | | - | | | - | | | | | | | | | | | | Rollbit | | | C | | | 2021 | | | Curacao | | | - | | | - | | | | | | | | | | | | Trustdice | | | C | | | 2019 | | | Curacao | | | - | | | - | | | | | | | | | | | | Anonibet | | | C- | | | 2011 | | | - | | | 0 | | | Sports Bonus | | | | | | | | | | | | Parlayplus | | | C- | | | 2019 | | | - | | | 2 | | | - | | | | | | | | | | | | Wolf | | | C- | | | 2019 | | | Curacao | | | - | | | - | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
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Stake.com KYC ranking lowered to 4. There may be times when KYC is necessary even though some books do it rarely. There is currently a case where a player submitted his KYC information over 3 months ago and Stake still hasn't made a decision. While looking at Stake's ToS their KYC requirements can be extremely invasive. Not only this but Stake says that they can share this information with any entity. https://help.stake.com/en/articles/5328395-acceptable-documents-for-source-of-fundsAcceptable documents for source of funds Updated over a week ago Please note that the compliance team reserves the rights to request any document they might need.
You can use one of the following documents to verify your source of funds:
Salary ( You will need to send us a recent bank statement indicating receipt of your salary or original of your payslip )
Sales of shared or other investments / liquidation of investment portfolio / bonds ( You will need to send us a bank statement clearly showing receipt of funds and investment company name or interest on bonds received )
Sale of property ( You will need to send us a copy of the contract of sale and a bank statement showing the proceeds of the sale )
Inheritance ( You will need to send us a copy of the deceased's will, and a bank statement showing the received funds, along with your current balance )
Company sale ( You will need to send us a letter detailing company sale signed by a licensed solicitor or regulated accountant on letter-headed paper )
A Gift from a family member or close relative ( You will need to send us a donor's letter explaining the reason for the gift and the source of their wealth. Also, we will require certified identification documents from donor )
Winning the Lottery ( You will need to send us a receipt of winnings and documentation e.g. bank statement showing the origin of the funds initially deposited )
Divorce settlement ( You will need to send us a divorce settlement agreement and bank statement clearly showing receipt of funds )
Loan ( You will need to send us an executed copy of the loan agreement and a bank statement showing the received funds along with your current balance )
Mining ( You will need to send us a ledger of the amount of cryptocurrency mined, as well as a wallet address and transaction hash to which the mined cryptocurrency was delivered )
Your source of funds document must meet the following requirements:
Please upload an original photo or a PDF file of the documents, screenshots will not be accepted
All documents must be issued within the last 6 months and need to be in Latin international format
Shows your full name and address
Shows the name of issuing entity and date of issue
The whole sheet of paper is visible in the photo
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Update: SportsBooks | | | Rating | | | Year | | | Country | | | KYC | | | MISC | | | Promos | | | Support | | | BCT thread | | | | --------------------- | | | -------- | | | -------- | | | ---------- | | | ------ | | | ----------------------------------- | | | ------------ | | | ---------------------- | | | ------------ | | | "A" rated books | | Nitrobetting | | | A+ | | | 2013 | | | Costa Rica | | | 1 | | | Racebook, Poker, Sports Bonus | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Betcoin | | | A+ | | | 2013 | | | Curacao | | | 1 | | | Racebook and 2 different lines for sports | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | MBet | | | | | | 2017 | | | Cyprus | | | 2 | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | "B" rated books | | Stake | | | B | | | 2019 | | | Curacao | | | 4 | | | opened as casino 2014 | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Bistler | | | B- | | | 2015 | | | Curacao | | | 2 | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Fortune Jack | | | B- | | | 2019 | | | Curacao | | | 2 | | | opened as casino 2014 | | | | | | | | | | | | | | "C" rated books | | Betfury | | | C+ | | | 2020 | | | Curacao | | | 3 | | | - | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Cloudbet | | | C+ | | | 2013 | | | Curacao | | | 3 | | | Sports Bonus | | | | | | | | | | | | Roobet | | | C+ | | | 2019 | | | Curacao | | | - | | | - | | | | | | | | | | | | Duelbits | | | C | | | 2020 | | | Curacao | | | - | | | - | | | | | | | | | | | | Sportsbet | | | C | | | 2016 | | | Curacao | | | 3 | | | Racebook | | | | | | | | | | | | Maverickgames | | | C | | | 2020 | | | Isle of Man | | | 5 | | | - | | | | | | | | | | | | Owl | | | C | | | 2021 | | | Curacao | | | - | | | - | | | | | | | | | | | | Rollbit | | | C | | | 2021 | | | Curacao | | | - | | | - | | | | | | | | | | | | Trustdice | | | C | | | 2019 | | | Curacao | | | - | | | - | | | | | | | | | | | | Anonibet | | | C- | | | 2011 | | | - | | | 0 | | | Sports Bonus | | | | | | | | | | | | Parlayplus | | | C- | | | 2019 | | | - | | | 2 | | | - | | | | | | | | | | | | Wolf | | | C- | | | 2019 | | | Curacao | | | - | | | - | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
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Betnomi (2020) downgraded from "C-" to "F". Reports of no pays along with the sports book being inoperable.
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What a nightmare! I didn't even know you needed all this stuff for an online casino. To combat money laundering, I suppose? How much is the minimum? If you bet 10 and win 1000, do you still have to make a kyc?
Yes, these are AML Compliance measures, and measures to combat the "financing of terrorism" in general. In general, you also have minimum wages, and you can't withdraw money immediately after a deposit. Often, for online casinos, you need to have gambled between 15% and 30% of your deposit for your withdrawal to be accepted without concern. KYC depends more on the regulators (ANJ in France - as you are French, but it could be BGC in Belgium for example, no matter), and the laws they apply. A casino regulated in the Cayman Islands will not have the same KYC / POA / EDD policy as one regulated in the UK. Unregulated casinos sometimes ask for documents too, on a case-by-case basis. As regulators and local laws become increasingly complex to avoid, and the penalties incurred are very heavy for casinos that don't comply, it doesn't surprise me that we've seen a general tightening of these measures in recent years. When a casino asks for endless KYC it's rarely(never actually) because of AML compliance measures. If they had concerned about that, they would have asked him to complete KYC once he had deposited his funds, not when he wants to withdraw them. Weirdly we never see them asking KYC++ to losers, they never need more documents to take our money when we lose... ![Roll Eyes](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif) Sadly Willowbitcoin seems to be a winner, and has been flagged as good bettor(sport bettor I guess), so they will find the most ridiculous excuses to not pay him. It is a legitimate account so I was more worried about account sustainability and getting limited rather than having my balance "stolen". I never considered it a possibility. The annoying this is, I had plenty of opportunities to withdraw as that figure represents a grind over time from a $750 deposit to $6000 ( helped by bitcoin appreciation )
Im sure the OP bet on sports and he was a winner. .. Actually i dont think it has anything to do with AML. i noticed when someone bet on spoelrts large amounts or won large amounts in sports then they start a lot of KYC things. I dont know what nature of deal a casino or stake specially habe with the sports odds provider probably its a revenue share deal so this KYC comes from the sports provider same as Rollbit a lot of issue with Rollbit banning custumers and most of that customers bet on sports and winners . it makes me believe its the sports odd provider who flag the accounts. While some guys who bet on inhouse games rarely get a KYC triggered. Same as in Primedice its also owned by Stake but they never required any KYC even for large amounts and its also a curacao regulated. So you guys stop talking about AML. This is a very sharp post. I don't think this case has to do with AML. However, this is stake.com, a reputable sportsbook. What reputable sportsbooks do is limit the account of someone who they speculate might be a winning professional sportsbettor. I ask again, why would stake.com harm their reputation for only $6000? This is a very small amount for them which they can pay very easily. Also, @Willowbitcoin also mentioned that he used a VPN when he went overseas in a banned jurisdiction. This might be a something similar to a breach in stake.com's terms and conditions. Stake is a good book and I have no opinion as of yet on which party is right. I just feel that Martingaleboy made good points in that odds providers are the ones that set limits and flag accounts. He also said that the case isn't about money laundering. The OP is a grinder. He's not putting money in at Stake and then transferring that money out without action.
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What a nightmare! I didn't even know you needed all this stuff for an online casino. To combat money laundering, I suppose? How much is the minimum? If you bet 10 and win 1000, do you still have to make a kyc?
Yes, these are AML Compliance measures, and measures to combat the "financing of terrorism" in general. In general, you also have minimum wages, and you can't withdraw money immediately after a deposit. Often, for online casinos, you need to have gambled between 15% and 30% of your deposit for your withdrawal to be accepted without concern. KYC depends more on the regulators (ANJ in France - as you are French, but it could be BGC in Belgium for example, no matter), and the laws they apply. A casino regulated in the Cayman Islands will not have the same KYC / POA / EDD policy as one regulated in the UK. Unregulated casinos sometimes ask for documents too, on a case-by-case basis. As regulators and local laws become increasingly complex to avoid, and the penalties incurred are very heavy for casinos that don't comply, it doesn't surprise me that we've seen a general tightening of these measures in recent years. When a casino asks for endless KYC it's rarely(never actually) because of AML compliance measures. If they had concerned about that, they would have asked him to complete KYC once he had deposited his funds, not when he wants to withdraw them. Weirdly we never see them asking KYC++ to losers, they never need more documents to take our money when we lose... ![Roll Eyes](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif) Sadly Willowbitcoin seems to be a winner, and has been flagged as good bettor(sport bettor I guess), so they will find the most ridiculous excuses to not pay him. It is a legitimate account so I was more worried about account sustainability and getting limited rather than having my balance "stolen". I never considered it a possibility. The annoying this is, I had plenty of opportunities to withdraw as that figure represents a grind over time from a $750 deposit to $6000 ( helped by bitcoin appreciation )
Im sure the OP bet on sports and he was a winner. .. Actually i dont think it has anything to do with AML. i noticed when someone bet on spoelrts large amounts or won large amounts in sports then they start a lot of KYC things. I dont know what nature of deal a casino or stake specially habe with the sports odds provider probably its a revenue share deal so this KYC comes from the sports provider same as Rollbit a lot of issue with Rollbit banning custumers and most of that customers bet on sports and winners . it makes me believe its the sports odd provider who flag the accounts. While some guys who bet on inhouse games rarely get a KYC triggered. Same as in Primedice its also owned by Stake but they never required any KYC even for large amounts and its also a curacao regulated. So you guys stop talking about AML. This is a very sharp post. I don't think this case has to do with AML.
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Update: SportsBooks | | | Rating | | | Year | | | Country | | | KYC | | | MISC | | | Promos | | | Support | | | BCT thread | | | | --------------------- | | | -------- | | | -------- | | | ---------- | | | ------ | | | ----------------------------------- | | | ------------ | | | ---------------------- | | | ------------ | | | "A" rated books | | Nitrobetting | | | A+ | | | 2013 | | | Costa Rica | | | 1 | | | Racebook, Poker, Sports Bonus | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Betcoin | | | A+ | | | 2013 | | | Curacao | | | 1 | | | Racebook and 2 different lines for sports | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | MBet | | | | | | 2017 | | | Cyprus | | | 2 | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | "B" rated books | | Stake | | | B | | | 2019 | | | Curacao | | | 3 | | | opened as casino 2014 | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Bistler | | | B- | | | 2015 | | | Curacao | | | 2 | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Fortune Jack | | | B- | | | 2019 | | | Curacao | | | 2 | | | opened as casino 2014 | | | | | | | | | | | | | | "C" rated books | | Betfury | | | C+ | | | 2020 | | | Curacao | | | 3 | | | - | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Cloudbet | | | C+ | | | 2013 | | | Curacao | | | 3 | | | Sports Bonus | | | | | | | | | | | | Roobet | | | C+ | | | 2019 | | | Curacao | | | - | | | - | | | | | | | | | | | | Duelbits | | | C | | | 2020 | | | Curacao | | | - | | | - | | | | | | | | | | | | Sportsbet | | | C | | | 2016 | | | Curacao | | | 3 | | | Racebook | | | | | | | | | | | | Maverickgames | | | C | | | 2020 | | | Isle of Man | | | 5 | | | - | | | | | | | | | | | | Owl | | | C | | | 2021 | | | Curacao | | | - | | | - | | | | | | | | | | | | Rollbit | | | C | | | 2021 | | | Curacao | | | - | | | - | | | | | | | | | | | | Trustdice | | | C | | | 2019 | | | Curacao | | | - | | | - | | | | | | | | | | | | Anonibet | | | C- | | | 2011 | | | - | | | 0 | | | Sports Bonus | | | | | | | | | | | | Parlayplus | | | C- | | | 2019 | | | - | | | 2 | | | - | | | | | | | | | | | | Wolf | | | C- | | | 2019 | | | Curacao | | | - | | | - | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
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This thread looks funny to me because it seems more of a joke than something serious because I see no reason why someone just hops into the forumwith an Ann thread that looks jovial and then disappears right away, that is disheartening and one thing I know for sure is that the forum has helped my gambling life so well that I have to look up every casino I wish to try first in the forum to know if they have an active team or a representative over here because I wouldn't want to fall victim of any form of scam out of my personal ignorance. Whatever the case might be, this thread has been dormant for a long time and im sorry you're having this issue and I hope.you get it resolved soon.
You can find books that are safe here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=717790.0
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