{Moved from WO to this thread}


Well, I've had COVID-19 myself and survived it (although it gave me hell). I hope it hasn't caused any permanent health damage. At that time (Jan 2021) vaccines were not available for my age group.

In my social circle (friends, relatives, colleagues, acquaintances), I've had this so far:

Total pool: 500+ people.
COVID-19 deaths (unvaccinated): 10 (those that I can recall).
COVID-19 deaths (vaccinated -- any type): NONE.
Deaths from vaccines alone (no COVID-19 infection): NONE.
Vaccine side-effects: Minimal (gone in 2-3 days) to none.
COVID-19 severe symptoms and/or hospitalized (unvaccinated): Many (myself included), haven't counted.
COVID-19 severe symptoms and/or hospitalized (vaccinated): NONE.
COVID-19 deaths close to me: 2 people, one very old, the second one is the recent one (45 y.o.).

I don't know how significant the above data is, and if my original post made WO so dirty or whatever. This is what it is, take it as you may. I present the data, it may be skewed, incomplete, small sample, and whatever else you can say about it. The reader can draw his/her own conclusions.

About the Amish, I don't know if you're joking or not (no offense, I hope you are serious). I don't really know, maybe their way of life protects them somehow. I haven't studied them much in relation to COVID-19. I did, however, watch a documentary, in which many showed some hypocrisy, in that deep down they appeared to crave the "normal" way of life. I felt they felt oppressed and wanting to "get out" so to speak. So, COVID-19 numbers may be better for them, but not sure in other aspects of life, psychologically, etc.

Thanks Julian and Jimbo, I appreciate the comments.

I think there is no hope. I now understand Bob better when he sometimes talks so lowly about that space rock we are all living on.

Thanks man, I truly appreciate the comments.

Thanks for your insights, aesma.

I think something that proved fatal in his case was the fact that he stayed at home for the first few days, and thought he could "wait it out". At some point, the symptoms became so severe that he had to be admitted to the hospital. Maybe if he had sought help a little sooner, things would have been different.

About the antiviral treatments you mentioned, do you mean monoclonal antibodies? If so, I think they are very expensive (of that's what they are telling us) and reserved for those at very high risk (immunosuppressed patients, transplant receivers, etc.). His health was in top shape, based on official military records, he was very fit, motorcycle rider, used his bicycle often, exercising, etc. Actually I still cannot believe this has happened to him... I don't know what else to say...

Thanks Arrie.

If you remember, we exchanged some PMs a while back, so you can relate to where the guy worked and his role in the military. So unfair... Especially when it could have been avoided.

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@Torque: don't worry, it will die off in a couple of pages. I see ChartBuddy is already on it. And Bob even made a COVID-19 post literally just hours ago, because he (rightly) felt it fitted here. I don't mind serious, fact-checked, real-life cases of importance on any topic to be posted here for all to see and learn from. In any case, just use your Scroll Wheel and/or Ignore, to sanitize WO to your liking.

It is my firm and unequivocal belief that if the guy was vaccinated (with any type of COVID-19 vaccine), he would now be alive and fully recovered.

It is not magic. It is science.

If my post can save someone out there, let it stay here for all to see. This is not some discussion about politics over coffee and biscuits. This is real life, with real people I personally knew, and hence can truly verify the facts. I would certainly share a similar story about a vaccinated relative dying, but I have none.

As for being hypocritical, the only thing I can do is give you my word that I'm not, but this is worth nothing on the interwebs, and, sadly, in WO too, it seems.

Thanks to everyone, for your kind words, I appreciate it.

For those who replied, or will reply, to my above post, I don't want to get into an argument or start this type of conversation. You are free to have your own opinion about the subject, and I won't try to change it any more than my post itself can do.

The purpose of my post was to tell my personal story, and let the reader draw his/her own conclusions. I felt that I had to post it. Do with it as you may.

Another truly tragic COVID-19 casualty. In my family.

45 years old. 6.2 ft tall. Perfectly healthy. Never had any illnesses throughout his life. Was serving in the military (Lieutenant, O-3). As you probably know, military officers regularly undertake medical tests, and his was perfectly clean. Stationed at a weapons research facility, doing research on encrypted network protocols.

Not vaccinated (out of "principle", whatever the FUCK that means). Contracted COVID-19. Fell ill. Within a week he was in ICU. A week later he was dead. DEAD. Got that? DEAD!

A brilliant man, a great military officer and scientist, LOST due to some medieval, dark-ages, Ted Kaczynski-type ideas, circulated for-profit on the internet, claiming that vaccines, medicines, science, technology, are somehow bad for us and we should abstain from them. He leaves behind his wife and two little girls.

Sorry to post this here, but it needs to be heard. If the mods want, they can delete it or move it to Bob's thread. The pain is just too much for me right now. I just had to post this, in the hope that some "anti-vaxxers" out there read it and WAKE THE FUCK UP. I'm not talking about what I've heard, read, or dreamt, this is real life inside my own social circle.

And anyone offended by this post can go fuck themselves, thank you.

Just for comparison, here's the exact same chart, but with the positions of the full-moon / new-moon icons flipped on the vertical axis. Note that the horizontal locations of the icons are still correct (i.e., the icons still represent the correct definitions for full moon / new moon).

I've said this before, and I'll say it again because it's so important, yet few realise it:

Look at the above polar graph. A full circle is 4 years, and the spirals never cross. This means that every single person who ever invested in Bitcoin, at any time since its birth in 2009, and waited for at least 4 years, ended up in profit. How much profit? The average 4-year profit is about one order of magnitude (10x) -- the average distance of adjacent spirals is 10x price increase. The longer (more years) you HoDL, the better -- the spirals always grow larger.

tl;dr: Forget "short-term". Bitcoin is for long-term, virtually guaranteed profits. Buy whenever you can, HoDL, wait for at least 4 years and enjoy profits that no bank or stonk can ever give you. Few realise this, most just go into a buy-sell oscillation until their coins are snatched by the smart guys in the room.

Exactly right! Nice LotR reference...

What a smooth song, and so perfectly executed. RIP Bill...

Bill Withers - Who Is He (And What Is He To You)?

I'd leave a good length of each post unpainted (bare metal), for the occasional bareback rusty pipe treatment.

OK. This is interesting.

I did a quick calculation:

Going backwards from the last block, 1,808,390 blocks are needed to make 1 BTC (1.0000022 BTC to be exact).

1,808,390 / 6 (blocks per hour) / 24 (hours per day) / 365.25 (days per year) = 34.4 years (approx.) to mine the last BTC.

I could be wrong in my calculation above, but 34.4 years is still a very long time!

tl;dr: HoDL your corn, it will soon be the rarest monetary unit in the universe!

About these purple "no trespassing" markings, can't this be used by someone to get away with murder? You drag someone inside the fence, you shoot him dead, and then claim he was trespassing and did not respond to verbal warnings and warning shots. How would the authorities in the relevant USA territories deal with this?

In contrast to the above, in many (most?) countries in the world, you will be put to prison if you shoot a burglar when he is inside your house, even if you legally carry a weapon. Even more surprising is the fact that, in the UK, police officers are not normally allowed to carry firearms (IIRC -- UK WOers, please confirm if that's the case).

Yeah... I normally would not buy more Bitcoin, as I feel I have enough (can that really be said?), but that dip is far too tasty to resist.

Such down,
So dip,
Pray to Karhu and weep.

I like this kind of tradition, gives the region some character. I just hope the land owners fire some warning shots and let uninformed trespassers know what it means before shooting at them...

For all those using/considering Nexo-, Celsius-, BlockFi-type services:

Fact: "There's no free lunch."
Fact: "Not your keys, not your coins."
Subjective: "HoDLing is good enough -- don't be greedy, don't be sorry."