I have a few idea's on who's the boss behind these sock puppets......
Considering that we've witnessed behavior like this in the past by several members I have some ideas too. If you want to exchange info via PM I'm all ears. Cheers. |
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@Vocain: I don't agree that's it's a matter of credibility, rather than economic sketching of a pro-cumference that tends to outline the diversity needed for someone to "feel safe". IMHO, XMR/LTC/whatever should be on the list of any crypto-user among us (not necessarily containing all of them, but trying to incorporate some sort of pluralism). OTOH, this could be as well achieved by adding PM in your portfolio. But that's not our subject. @Cypherdoc: Again, this conversation has no intention to alter any given opinion or thesis you have concerning alt-coins (or a specific one, in particular). I'm just trying to understand how one could support BTC as a viable solution, (or a panacea, if you prefer) without supporting another alternative that incorporates (for instance) some superior tech. FWIW, I agree that anonymity can be achieved -under certain circumstances- with BTC but, let me add, this is possible also by using almost any means of transaction. If one wants to be anonymous, he will do what's necessary to achieve so. Last but not least, I personally have been messing with a couple of alts. My gnomon to mine and/or buy a stash of them was/is the same all these years. They must contain something the other alts (or even BTC) don't already have. A different algorithm, a unique characteristic, a devoted community instead of a fighting one... I hope you get my point. 
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aren't you going a little overboard by adding newbies with no more than 2 posts in the list? your list will become way too big in no time at this rate.
It's one user. NLC. It's the only way we can try to keep grampa- and kiddyporn off the WO thread. Exactly. @Katsou: Adding a newbie into The List certifies some very strict criteria. We have -by now- understood his posting characteristics and -after a short time- you will be able to identify his clone accounts too... |
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well, buried throughout all TPTB_need_war's bullshit is quite a bit of back and forth regarding Monero. my problem with it is pretty much as rocks outlined. it's an entirely new protocol. that by itself is not necessarily the problem but it is for network effects and confidence for a new form of money, imo. for instance, Bitcoin is open source and supposed to be adaptable to changing conditions, especially those hostile, so we've been told. if it fails to adapt to a threat like the 1MB choking of tx's then it cannot adapt and grow and will fail as a new form of money, imo. that's b/c it is unacceptable for the current network of investors who have stored their coins in cold storage to be expected to dig them out and transfer them to a totally new money on a different protocol like Monero. that would cause huge losses for us while huge gains for the early Monero adopters. great for them, horrible for us. in that scenario, i consider cryptocurrencies to be a failure as i would conclude that they are all then a form of Ponzi scheme. that doesn't mean it won't happen though but is the reason for the extreme resistance to it's adoption from the economic majority who are currently invested in Bitcoin.
and also for the constant pimping of Monero you see here in this thread.
I understand; nevertheless, don't you think there will be another usable cryptocurrency apart from BTC? I don't support XMR will be it (even though I already have a position that certifies my curiosity and will hopefully gratify my early confidence), but I really want to know, BTC is all you have afaic crypto? |
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One more nailed down for today. The trend has changed, so I expect a decline on sockpuppet births... Anyhow; please update. Latest additions to The List as of 2015-06-08:Cinstable
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Joy sentiment has return; sockpuppets have gone away. Bullish!  |
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kazuki, & the other Monero and 1MB pimps.
I think this makes us about even: you were a few months before me in shifting from silver to BTC, and I was a little bit before you in the transition from BTC to Monero. except i'm not making any transition to Monero. oh well... Is there any reasoning backing up your decision? I'd love to start such a discussion if you don't mind.  |
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Now; lets make things simpler. Say we can set with a very good precision the initial conditions. We're now talking about a SIMPLE dynamic system here with fully determined initial conditions. Now pay attention: Even if you can set the initial conditions on such a system, small differences have a totally different outcome; so as the time goes by; your predictions are getting enormously difficult to be true, thus rendering the predictions useless. This system's behaviour is called "deterministic chaos" and was first observed by Edward Lorenz who defined it like this:
Chaos: When the present determines the future, but the approximate present does not approximately determine the future. 1 Is this the one? |
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Implicit in your point is that we can not specify initial conditions with exact precision due to Planck's constant (which is intimately related to that the speed-of-light is finite and also conceptually related to the Heisenberg uncertainty principle).
Exactly. That's about it. BTW, I've read all the links you PMd me (thank you) on Armstrong Economics (BTW, most of them I've already was aware of; never dived in detail though). I think he has gone a step further than most of us (ok, at least me). The conclusive thought of his, based on "following the pattern of a Stokes diagram on 3D" truly *TRULY* amazes me. I'm sure he has his reasons for not sharing "which is the triple differential equation that rules our world"; but based on his thesis, -more or less- this is about it. That is all fine and dandy, except it is irrelevant to games of chance in real world outcomes. If it were true that no order emerged from chaos, then entropy would be simultaneously infinite (internally) and 0 (externally) and nothing could exist from an internal nor external perspective. The internal perspective would fail to find any relative order (no point of reference with which to make an observation) and the external observer would observe a void.
First things first. Entropy is coming from the words "Εν τροπή" which -in essence- means "during the process". What you're presenting here is a "burning a straw man" paradigm. But you see, on the contrary, Entropy is totally different if you change the initial conditions; as a totally different chaotic model is built. The internal perspective wouldn't fail to find a relative order since you -theoretically- could pick any single moment as a "Zero Point". Thus a new Entropic order within a specifically chosen chaos. This is pretty similar with picking as accurately as possible the initial conditions. Further reading: Cellular Automata. Order exists at higher levels of conceptualization. And this is your myopia on our disagreement about Armstrong's computer model and your other egregious attack on knowledge. I encourage you to delve into the links I gave you to Armstrong's writings about his model and chaos theory wherein he explains that moving to higher dimensions can extract order that is hidden in lower dimensional conceptualizations similar to your myopia here. P.S. you are correct that the existing stochastic models employed are one-dimensional and thus don't have the scope to pull order out-of-chaos. Armstrong developed a multi-dimensional entropy stochastic model which extracts hidden order. , it's not bad for someone to admit his myopia. I believe we have a doctor here for these kind of cases, I hope he will give me a nice price fixing my 13/13 vision (joking)... Second: I disagree. Order DOESN'T exists ONLY at higher levels of conceptualization. There's a mathematical proof for this. To put it on another perspective; Chaos incorporates Entropy from its very beginning. Otherwise entropy would've been non existent in the first place. That's why we are here and be able to talk about it. BTW: I'm not a personal fan of Anthropocentric Model, but some times like this one, I truly struggle not to. Third: I must admit I gained a lot of info from your links (thank you, once more). I must also admit I'm a bit impatient to learn more (ie: how he normalizes the abnormalities, while choosing to leave aside "minor details"). Such a model is a true gem. I have more questions, but I don't think littering a place like this with an off-topic matter like "prediction of entropic morphemes within a chaotic model" is something I like to do... (This is sarcasm) PS: my other egregious attack on knowledge points to a link that I have not posted anything... Do you want to fix it / correct it? |
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...I don't buy his "computer model" explanation though. You probably lack appropriate domain knowledge to form an accurate assessment? Have you not reviewed his record of correct predictions? It is essentially flawless since the 1980s if you understand his predictions are conditional and price and time are separate predictions. You are most possibly right. I probably lack of the appropriate knowledge; nevertheless I have (as stated) said that he "passed one test", which (clarifying further for those who misunderstood) that his "model" is proven to be working. What I'm not sure about is that it's based on a computer model ie: a relational database mining s/w that includes every single economic data out there, that is able through calculations to extract an accurate prediction within a chaotic model. To put it into perspective, as a theoretical physicist, I rest assure you that such a model is defined as " unpredictable". If you know more on the matter, I'd be honoured if you satiated my curiosity and obliterate my ignorance. I can certify that I'm more than capable to understand (even though it will take some more time than most geniuses in here) subjects from IT to QM (nevertheless, I stopped a while ago, being productive on the 1st one). Thanks in advance for your help. |
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go back and look at TPTB's posts since registering. they are filled with Armstrong references. does anyone see a problem with that?
i do; it's called lack of diversification. who worships just one guy all the time? no astute investor. that alone is cause for suspicion.
Well, he's not alone I can tell you this. I know many guys that consider Armstrong as an almighty prediction-God walking among the mortals. On the other hand, I am convinced that every theory presented (by anyone) needs to be put into a test, no matter how bizarre it may look. I don't find his support to him particularly suspicious, even though I personally never tend to expedite a conclusion without testing thoroughly a theory first. FWIW from my point of view, Armstrong's one has already passed one test... ...I don't buy his "computer model" explanation though. |
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[comprehensive list of NLC accounts]
Can you actually see any posts in this thread?  Haha, may times empty pages... Yo macsga, when we Grexit? So bored waiting for it and/or BTC moon lolz There's a whole thread about it. Check your PM. My other half is greek..pm a link! Right away. |
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could it be that we are actually talking to Martin Armstrong himself? maybe that would explain the blind allegiance. here is an interesting compilation of his prison writings. and this was the very first one i pulled up! whats the chances of them both being blind in one eye? from an eye doctor: https://www.scribd.com/kzuur58: Have you ever heard the saying, "in lak'ech ala k'in"? "I am you, and you are me"... Mayan philosophy. |
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[comprehensive list of NLC accounts]
Can you actually see any posts in this thread? Haha, may times empty pages... Yo macsga, when we Grexit? So bored waiting for it and/or BTC moon lolz There's a whole thread about it. Check your PM. |
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Ignore list To Da Moon!
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This certainly outperforms mine Klee. Is it a Greek thing?  |
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if you believe in the concept of forum plants, then TPTB_need_war fits the bill to a tee.
i don't know about Shelby Moore but i still think his acct could be mulitply owned and used to troll me down. the sleep charts i put up yesterday still hold. read about how their goal is to insert, befriend, divide and cause turmoil and division. this thread used to be a relatively peaceful place other than the occasional food fight i'd have with tvbcof. now look what it's become since TPTB_need_war showed up. as JR says, a trainwreck.
it all fits and if i have to be the sacrificial lamb to prove it, so be it. that is his intention after all; to discredit at all costs those who support the community the most.
 Interesting symbol the one on the right. It states the name "ΚΑΛΛΙΣΤΙ" which IIRC the proper writing would've been "ΚΑΛΛΙΣΤΩ". In Greek Mythology "Καλλιστώ"(=Calisto) was the daughter of the king of Arcadia, Lycaon. Her name came from the word "ΚΑΛΛΟΣ" which in essence means "extraordinary beauty". |
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You're welcome. FOUR more for today. Please update your lists. Latest additions to The List as of 2015-06-07:B3H3M07h
New.Dawn.66
WallEye
Aardvarksarerarity
Updated! Thank you. By the while...i just found also a PM referral spammer. I don't think that ignoring him will stop him from PMing you. I'd report to a moderator (press report this user button). |
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If I may be excused, I have the urge to put online a transcript of a Russian song by Vasya Oblomov and OST Duhless. If you can bear the language, I'd indulge you to watch it. It may (as with the song) leave you with a bittersweet taste of what I call the "meaning of life" in your mouth...: We walk on the wide and narrow streets,
Down to the underground passages.
And there is a feeling that we are part of
Some large and undecipherable codes.
We seem to currently be who we want to appear.
Sometimes we think that it is easier to leave,
And then we understand that we had to stay.
We consider ourselves smarter than all who were before us once.
By the quantity of money
we are juging each other in separated classes.
Most of us consider themselves smarter than most
and always arguing with each other about something.
It's some kind of fashion, which has always been.
So worries the sand on the sea floor.
We are rythms of the windows which don't have glass
We are rythms of the streets, which are not awake
And all of our life we wanted to change the world for the better.
Someone wrote about it in prose, some in verse.
But strange feeling of indifference
comes from a plane flying in the clouds.
We are bored living, and this causes us too many problems.
We do what we don't want to do ,
We feel part of fictional systems
Love becomes a habit and commitment.
And from it all that remains is indifference, which morally
cannot be considered as a betrayal.
Every weekdays we are as movie heroes.
The essence is that time changed people,
whether people have changed it.
We are rythms of the windows which don't have glass
We are rythms of the streets, which are not awake
We are rythms of the windows which don't have glass
We are rythms of the streets, which are not awake
We are rythms of the streetshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zP8P9oac6QPS: Truly wondrous place the human mind; especially those with vast synaptic establishment (ie: high IQ). |
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You may be compartmentalized or we have the same stance. Once you have cross-correlated as much information as I have, you begin to see the patterns and they are indeed coordinated towards a NWO.
They aren't in control in the sense that they have no choice but to do the coordination and evil that the natural system demands. It is also not natural for we humans to wilt and not create seepage and prevent them from driving humanity into extinction.
And they are not perfectly coordinated. There is competition and seepage within their ranks too. And it is not perfectly pyramidal structure either. It is complex and not monolithic. I never pictured that you alleged. The overall outcome is that certain results fit the economic demand of the natural system. I comment on those coming result where they naturally align.
Sounds like the perfect sci fi scenario; reminds me of the "Illuminati" from Dan Brown. Seriously now; (and for the sake of discussion, I'll be the devil's advocate) don't you think the other scenario would've been more dramatic and disastrous? (ie: there are no PTB); Imagine the ship driving itself alone... Plus as a second argument, couldn't it be possible that they don't want our (human) extinction since we're both into the same boat? What I do believe, is that they're no different like you and me. The only difference is that they have A LOT of money (thus nearly infinite power) but also infinite responsibilities. Driving THE ship requires knowledge and sometimes difficult decisions are ought to be made. Some strong hands are better than no hands at all. Speaking of which; do you think that (in the case Crypto succeeds) there are people among us with the required gear to run the planet and become TNPTB? |
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