Frankly, I currently don't have the time or the state of mind to answer the barrage of questions and analysis you are asking me to do above. So you have time to hurl insults at anti-vaxxers and literally tell them to fuck off, time to base all your conclusions on emotional, personal experiences only, but you don't have time to do the research and answer my questions backed with real "science"- i.e., rebuttals with collected data, stats, and logical reasoning? Someone close to me has just died of COVID-19, who could have been saved if he had been vaccinated. No, I don't have the time needed to do the barrage of tasks you asked me to, that even specialist scientists need months/years to do. On the other hand, I do have one Sunday to spend posting my story and commenting on replies, in the hope someone is helped by the discussion. I even did an analysis using the numerical data YOU provided, which you miserably failed to refute -- a common tactic of those unable to respond with evidence: throw a ton of questions in place of a concise, meaningful and factual reply they are unable to provide.No, I didn't refute it at all. In fact I said, let's assume for a moment that you are right and that the vaccines are indeed as SAFE as you say. Then you prove, with science data and stats to support it, that they are also EFFECTIVE. Like as in stopping infections, stopping or even slowing transmission, stopping people from going into ICU and/or dying, and giving back civil liberties that have been forcefully taken away. SAFE and EFFECTIVE. You can't just have one or the other, you have to have BOTH. That's the whole point of a vaccine. Remember? And just like those pro-vaxxers who like to talk a bunch of nonsense, YOU cannot respond to my original questions asked with any meaningful "science" data to back it up. You just skirt all of them, as per typical.  Or course, vaccines, especially the COVID-19 ones, are far from perfect, I never claimed they were, because there's no such thing as a perfect drug. I just cannot buy the theory that this is somehow deliberate, though. That somehow the pharmaceutical companies have deliberately designed vaccines to cause side-effects, in order to kill or disable us. Pharmaceutical companies have lied to us and will continue to lie to us, as long as it affects their profits, power and influence, as do, routinely, almost all big corporations, governments, TPTB in general.
Dude, wat? Are you high? This is the second time in this thread that you have admitted that pharmaceutical companies lie and are basically evil and out for profit, yet you still say that you whole-heartedly trust the vaccines? That don't compute. Cognitive dissonance much?  And no one is saying that the pharma companies DELIBERATELY designed in or added side effects to the CV19 vaccines, in order to kill people. That's ridiculous. Those that believe that are loopy. The vaccines just HAVE side effects, it's a by-product of their mRNA delivery mechanism and the way they work. The pharma companies would love to produce these vaccines without any side effects, but unfortunately they can't do that. |
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Frankly, I currently don't have the time or the state of mind to answer the barrage of questions and analysis you are asking me to do above. So you have time to hurl insults at anti-vaxxers and literally tell them to fuck off, time to base all your conclusions on emotional, personal experiences only, but you don't have time to do the research and answer my questions backed with real "science"- i.e., rebuttals with collected data, stats, and logical reasoning? It is not magic. It is science.
Got it. Honest answer: I got the vaccine because I don't want to die like 10 of my friends and relatives died.
Wow...first your story it was one relative, then it was two...now it is 10 of your close friends and relatives that have died? My my, where you live, unvaxxed peeps around you are just dropping like flies, aren't they? |
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Though I find more reprehensible those who are calling out those who responded to it. If you don't want counter-responses, don't post on controversial topics. Those who are crying that only their point of view should be expressed can go piss up a rope.
THIS x 100000000000000000000000000000000000000000 |
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<simple maths calcs>
These are the facts, these are the sources, this is the analysis. Everyone reading this: use your common sense, your logic and your brain to draw your own conclusions. Strip away your ego, your self-righteousness and your herd mentality, and view this with a totally open mind. I'm not typing all this just for Torque, but for all to see. This is not about vaxxers vs. anti-vaxxers. If you're seeing it that way, you've already fallen into the very trap you're trying to avoid.
I could be wrong, but I thought the CDC's published ADRs were only for the U.S., and even those are VASTLY underreported. The VAERS database does not have all the available data. According to both Harvard and HHS, Health and Human services, only 1% of all adverse reactions are registered on the VAERS official reporting site. But let's assume for the moment that your math about the ADRs has some merit, and the vaccines are as safe as you say. The bigger question is then, why take the vaccines at all? Just because they are safe? Since you like math, go out and gather the stat data, crunch the numbers, and then mathematically show me the proof that having more of the world's population vaccinated would do ANYTHING to: 1) Stop someone from contracting CV-19. This is a proven fact now that it does not protect someone from getting it. 2) Stop or slow the spread of the virus. Countries with the highest reported vaccination rates inexplicably have the highest number of newly reported cases, literally off the charts. (Hint: because the vaccinated are the ones spreading it) 3) Stop the extreme reaction cases from going into the ICU, or even dying. That was the original purpose of the vaccine, to prevent that. There are people who are 100% vaxxed (2, 3 jabs) that are still ending up in the ICU and dying. (mostly from their extreme age + comorbidities, but the govt doesn't want you to care about that) 4) Stop lockdowns, mask wearing, and/or having to have proof of vaccine papers to go anywhere and do anything. There are now countries with 90%+, even near 99% vaccinated, that still have to live under these draconian violations of their civil liberties. Why? If the populous are all vaccinated, then what is there to fear? Shouldn't they have their freedoms? If I were to contract Covid-19 without taking the vaccine jabs, I have a 99.98% chance of surviving it (probably more based on my age + my level of health/fitness), plus I would have natural immunity. If I were to take the vaccine jabs, even if they were 100% safe, they would not significantly improve my chances to survive it all that much, which is already extremely high. But more importantly, it would not add ANYTHING AT ALL data wise to my points #1-#4 above. AT ALL. So why would I take it again? Who would I be taking it for? Strip away your ego, self-righteousness, and herd mentality, and ask yourself, who should you be getting the vaccine for, and why? Where's the hard data to support the theory of "more vaccinated + forever boosters == eradicate or stop the spread of Covid"? |
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I don't know how significant the above data is, and if my original post made WO so dirty or whatever. This is what it is, take it as you may. I present the data, it may be skewed, incomplete, small sample, and whatever else you can say about it. The reader can draw his/her own conclusions.
On the worldwide scale, it's not significant, at all. For all the reasons you listed. It's just your local, personal experience. Larger world collected data and metrics are what is significant, and tell the true story. |
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The vaccines aren't to blame for anybodies death by Covid. The manufacturers never claimed a 100% protection against death in vaccinated persons.
Yes, "they" absolutely did in the beginning. They claimed that vaccinated people would not contract Covid, nor spread it to other people. And they flat out lied to the public. The vaccine makers already knew about all the side effects and clinical trial deaths, but want to suppress that data for 55 years. https://dossier.substack.com/p/memory-hole-virtually-every-major“Our data from the CDC suggests that vaccinated people don’t carry the virus, don’t get sick and that it’s not just in clinical trials, but it’s also in real world data.” - CDC Director Rochelle Walensky. |
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This is disgusting. Dirty dirty dirty move... using the death of fellow WOer's close relative to shill your anti-vaxxer shit.  STRF suffers from a sick and powerful ego, maybe even from a serious mental condition. @AlcoHODL: Really sorry for your loss. @WO's: Don't let us forget who the enemy is. It's not the "vaxxers", nor the "anti vaxxers", nor the conspiracists or emotionally numb s-holes. It's the novel, mutating bitch of virus. It is a challenge that we have to take, it won't go by without the price we have to pay, as humans, as society, as humanity, as a group of BTC believers trying to have fun and debate on the biggest forum thread of bitcointalk.org. I don't care how but anybody is free to do as he likes, as long as he takes care about himself and others. Vaccines, masks, pills, distancing... whatever. Just don't try to be a selfish prick. AlcoHODL's post and response was not about the Covid directly, it was about his tragic loss. That's why he supposedly posted it here, like many of us did, even if it wasn't related to Covid. A relative of my uncle died recently with Covid-19, and he was 100% fully vaccinated. I never posted it here for sympathy and to go on an epic rant about vaccines, but should I have? I thought this was the Bitcoin WO thread. If AlcoHODL had left out the condescending rant against people who choose not to take the vaccine, he never would have triggered me. Plus he posted it here, instead of Bob's off-topic thread he was already aware of, because he's posted there before also. He knew EXACTLY what he was doing. And all you guys are applauding him for it. You guys talk all this smack about being tolerant and understanding, and letting people choose for themselves. But then you allow and celebrate the virtue signaling and condescension. smh EDIT: Oh and Jimbo, it's not about "bullshit politics". It's about personal freedom, liberty, and choice. Remember that? |
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Ok, that's it. I've had it.
After all Covid discussion here was forced, yes FORCED off this WO thread because people didn't like it discussed here and moved into Bob's off-topic thread, now pro-vaxxers are allowed to bring it back to be discussed here? And to get sympathy, merits, and fawned over?
This was supposed to be neutral ground to talk about Bitcoin and other world happenings. Complete hypocrisy and bullshit.
If so, I'm completely done with the WO. Will never post here again.
I've been thinking about leaving anyway, as I've seen the participation falling off for years now.
And it's not like there is anything ever new here: either you're already a believer in Bitcoin and are a HODLer, you're a shit poor daytarder, or you're a shill and a troll.
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Another truly tragic COVID-19 casualty. In my family.
45 years old. 6.2 ft tall. Perfectly healthy. Never had any illnesses throughout his life. Was serving in the military (Lieutenant, O-3). As you probably know, military officers regularly undertake medical tests, and his was perfectly clean. Stationed at a weapons research facility, doing research on encrypted network protocols.
Not vaccinated (out of "principle", whatever the FUCK that means). Contracted COVID-19. Fell ill. Within a week he was in ICU. A week later he was dead. DEAD. Got that? DEAD!
A brilliant man, a great military officer and scientist, LOST due to some medieval, dark-ages, Ted Kaczynski-type ideas, circulated for-profit on the internet, claiming that vaccines, medicines, science, technology, are somehow bad for us and we should abstain from them. He leaves behind his wife and two little girls.
Sorry to post this here, but it needs to be heard. If the mods want, they can delete it or move it to Bob's thread. The pain is just too much for me right now. I just had to post this, in the hope that some "anti-vaxxers" out there read it and WAKE THE FUCK UP. I'm not talking about what I've heard, read, or dreamt, this is real life inside my own social circle.
And anyone offended by this post can go fuck themselves, thank you.
Sorry for your loss...but now I AM getting really fucking offended at the Mod of this WO thread that you can post this fucking over the top rant about how you think that a fucking piece of shit vaccine that DOESN'T DO SHIT TO STOP ANYTHING AT ALL and has caused 2.4M adverse drug reactions, heart inflammation, blood clots, and deaths would have somehow MAGICALLY SAVED your family member from dying?? You're the one that needs to take the red pill and wake the fuck up, dude. There have been hundreds of thousands of people worldwide ending up in the ICU and dying who are 100% vaccinated. 100 FUCKING PERCENT!! You pro-vaxxers who are out there white-knighting and think that you have some sort of moral high-ground can absolutely, positively fuck off. I am so sick of this grandstanding bullshit. And to be able leave this post here in WO? This rant should be moved to Bob's off-topic thread ASAP. End of fucking story. Otherwise I'm calling out the hypocritical bullshit right here and now.   |
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$45K Buy Wall growth update from Coinbase Pro. Earlier was around 550, now around 700 BTC. Still thinking this one can hold:  I don't really disagree with almost all of your points of your post - including if there is some kind of tension regarding the various price pressure points that could end up causing a short-term break down or up from here... I do wonder a wee widdow bit regarding your on the face assertion that the formation of a buy wall would constitute actual support.. because whether we are talking about a supposed support wall or even an apparent wall of resistance - the presence of those kinds of support walls do not seem to provide convincing evidence of actual support. even though sure, there does not really seem to be any problem pointing them out... even if sometimes people will refer to them as reverse indicators.. and maybe whether you deem them as an indicator or a reverse indicator might be based on other things going on.... and surely questions regarding if they appear to get eaten through or pulled can be other aspects too, in terms of price wall analysis attempts. Problem also is, bots could easily add to buywalls, to create an impression of solid support levels, and then revoke/lower their bids as the price is lowering. BAM - price goes through the buywall... I also examined the buildup of sellwalls as soon as there is a significant move upwards, and i also saw these limit orders moving upwards with price rise. I doubt that that many people do this on an exchange in real time simultaneously. If you know what i mean... Just talking out of my arse here, but if history repeats, the whales will be looking to grind it down to $40k. They know that $40k is a psychological level, so once there, I could see a flash dump crashing through 40k into the upper 30s, before taking off again. They wanna make the n00bs shit their pants and panic sell. Many new Mindrusts will be made that day. Or, ya' know, the worst could be over. I still think the market is libel to go nowhere until the new year. |
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Bitcoin ‘may not last that much longer,’ academic warnshttps://www.cnbc.com/2021/12/17/bitcoin-may-not-last-that-much-longer-academic-warns.htmlMessage: You hear that Average Joe? It's not going to be around much longer. Stay the fk away from Bitcoin! “Given that bitcoin is not serving well as a medium of exchange, I don’t think it’s going to have any fundamental value other than whatever investor’s faith leads it to have,” Prasad said.
Uh...that's the very definition of sound money, you dumbass.
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Hory sheet, sgbett the troll returns.
As if your last laughable price bottom prediction (which failed miserably) wasn't bad enough, now you come back with $1150??
Even proudhon couldn't suggest a bottom like that one and keep a straight face.
My god man, give it up. Go crawl back into your hole. Maybe take up ant farming.
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However, there is a thought out there that 2008 experience had informed the policy makers that you CANNOT collapse the collateral layer (stocks, bonds, RE) without a danger that the whole thing utterly collapses. Didn't history teach us policy makers can't prevent market crashes? Yeah, but what happens when policy makers (via the Fed) are so in control of the markets with infinite, cheap fiat that they are now in the business of deciding when and how to create crashes? This is what people who sit on the sidelines in fear are missing. In between those planned, short-lived DOWNities will be a whole lot of long, ongoing UPpity. All by design. And people who sit on the sidelines waiting for a crash are getting 10-15% poorer each year. Personally, I will stick to bitcoin: the fastest horse in the race. |
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The psychological cost of waiting. Especially applies to Bitcoin.  Now is a great time to buy buy buy BTC |
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Next pres video: "You don't need a shotgun. Just clap you hands together twice, real loud..." |
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"The jabs don't prevent transmission, therefore you need more injections to prevent transmission, which still won't work either. Oh and self-protection (that doesn't really prevent anything) wanes, so you'll need regular boosters too." |
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OT: All this talk in the MSM about the "relief rally" in stonks, and how the market "liked" the hawkish Fed news about tapering and potential 3 rate hikes in 2022.
Lol, what bullshit. The stonk market only likes free money, and more of it. They in fact hate tapering, and really hate higher interest rates. And they could give a shit about inflation.
A bunch of shorts got hammered, that is all.
What everyone should be very worried about is when the Fed really *does* start seriously tapering and raising rates. That would start the clock, and mean that another global black swan "event" is right around the corner. By design.
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You might disagree with his focus (albeit not completely) on alts, but this is overall a very decent guy (Tyler aka Chico Crypto), imho. Burned out. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_FWxlKRYBcIt's sad to see that being under stress of producing content daily did something quite bad for his mental state. A very honest, jarring video. Don't get the "game" get to you. Getting off a daily grind in bitcoin and kind of moving to a long term picture has been very good for me this cycle vs 2017-2018-first excitement, then crash, pins and needles. Dang, it really pains me to see guys like this who have a serious addiction to caring so fkn much about crypto TA. Something that they don't even realize is a complete waste of time and life. There's nothing more depressing and soul-crushing for a man than to sit around trying to make sense of and trying to predict something that you have absolutely no control over whatsoever. This is the exact same shit that destroyed the lives of many young wanna-be daytraders of penny stocks back in the last few decades. Many of them ended up in massive bankruptcy and committed suicide. The guy needs to gtfo of shitcoins, stop looking at the prices, get off the internet, and go do something product with his life. Learn a skill, get a hobby, make friends, get a girlfriend, travel. Whatever. Invest in himself and his future. There is no "game". There is only your dumb ass for thinking there ever was one. It's all a delusion, dude. smh |
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OT: It's like they are already low-key telegraphing to the world what their next "global plan-tastrophy" is going to look like: EXCLUSIVE IMF, 10 countries simulate cyberattack on global financial systemhttps://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/exclusive-imf-10-countries-simulate-cyber-attack-global-financial-system-2021-12-09/The narrator of the film in the simulation said governments were under pressure to clarify the impact of the attack, which was paralysing the global financial system.
"The banks are appealing for emergency liquidity assistance in a multitude of currencies to put a halt to the chaos as counterparties withdraw their funds and limit access to liquidity, leaving the banks in disarray and ruin," the narrator said.
The participants discussed multilateral policies to respond to the crisis, including a coordinated bank holiday, debt repayment grace periods, SWAP/REPO agreements and coordinated delinking from major currencies. So a world wide cyber attack crisis requires the coordinated response of global emergency liquidity (money printer go moar trillions $$$ brrr), debt moratoriums, and global bank holidays. Gee, who woulda thunk it? Remember Event 201, anyone?  https://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/event201/aboutTesting, testing....is this mic on? Lol |
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