The new demo version is unstable, crashing really often, OSX 10.12.6
Yes, we have to admit that the demo is unstable right now. A really nasty memory issue that randomly strikes and causes leonArdo to crash. It doesn't seem like the full version is affected. We are working on a fix. Best wishes, Jonathan |
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O.k. i was fairly new to trading software and bots at all and i have some "special needs" because of my ADHS which brought me a somewhat severe Dyscalculia which makes having a steady and clean overview a real hard task for me. So i reached out to Jonathan to ask, how long one can 'play around' with the demo version (the answer is: virtually unlimited) and got my answers within 2 or 3 hours. Amazing! So that makes leonArdo a really great tool to just play around and learn some basics in forex/crypto-trading, which is really nice on it's own. leonArdo not only acts as a really nice trading terminal but it even gives you every bit of information you need for every single trade you plan to make, you can even directly see how much gain (or loss) you will make on any specific order, right before you send it of to the exchange. That's exactly what i needed! Very cool! After some days playing around, trying the bots and getting familiar with the UI, i finally though, o.k. even if my holdings are not really that much so that i cannot expect to get my 'invest' in the software back within a day, i bought the license (for one exchange) and got it within hours too. Thanks Jonathan for being still at work that late for your customers. Now, it's running on a (for now) dedicated laptop with some bots on a few pairs and, whoa, at least they made me half of the price back, i did not expect that at all but. Here we are. It is a really great piece of software and every single penny worth. In fact, i'm somewhat surprised that it is _that cheap_ at all, most similar solutions are way more pricey or you have to pay a monthly fee to use it. I'm looking forward to get another license for the next exchange as soon as my holdings have reached a value where it makes sense to split them over to another exchange.  Even w/o the bots, it is just great! I love it!  Hacky Thanks so much for your very kind words Hacky. Very appreciated. Best wishes, Jonathan |
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Some people were asking for our Slack channel. We don't have one, but there is one that was set up by leonArdo customers. Here is the link if anyone is interested: https://leonardough-slack.herokuapp.comBest wishes, Jonathan |
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Hi, im new to this
Where can read up about margin maker strategy, how to set it up and what it is trying to achieve?
Ping pong seems too inflexible to use, with margin maker do you often end up with 'bags' when market tanks?
Hi, Thanks for your interest in leonArdo. The main difference between the static ping pong and mArgin maker bots is that the ping pong bot is static and the mArgin maker in dynamic. What that means is that with the ping pong bot you explicitly set a buy and sell price and that is all the bot does. If the course bounces between those pre-determined prices the bot will cycle through buy and sell orders. In contrast to this you don't set a buy and sell price for the mArgin maker bot, but rather you set a relative margin which adapts based on the history window - which continually adapts to what has happened. This means that it allows for prices to be dynamically chosen. There are other parameters you can set to ensure the bot behaves like you want it to such as: don’t sell below a certain price or ensure a min gain has been achieved. The minimum effective gain allows you set the amount you want to make on each trade cycle. This is the amount after exchange fees have been subtracted. Setting a negative value allows the bot to make a loss in the hope that it can continue trading and make a gain. Otherwise, the bot would stop until the course came back to it. You can set a stop loss to ensure you are not left with bags Best wishes, Jonathan |
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Hello im testing Ping pong on doge but it says Invalid in the area of the amount.
Does that just mean i dont have enough doge to trade with?
Yes, if you have invalid amount shown, it means you don't have even the minimum needed to trade. Best wishes, Jonathan |
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Is this project functional? I tried the download links and... :/
Is this a serious comment? Of course it's functional. Read the thread or if you have a real question, either post it here or send a mail to support@marginsoftware.de |
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Can anyone advise me as to response times from the Dev team? Or best way to resolve this?
Thanks again
Hey Thom, the best way is to contact us through support@marginsoftware.de. That way you will always get the fastest response! Replying to your mail now |
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Thanks.
eager to see what the problem is. You dont seem to be the only one.
Really? I haven't heard of a single other valid case of somebody getting a "key not registered" after we registered it and it initially worked. There are no missing keys in our database. I'm still not exactly sure what happened in the case of thedreamer but we have no record (database or email) of the keys he assumed were registered. Best wishes, Jonathan |
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Hello All
Really eager to start using Leonardo and thanks to the Dev team for making such a great piece of software.
Paid for a licence a few days ago but having some issues logging in due to keys not matching, sent an email to Rene and also via contact us on the website.
Can anyone advise me as to response times from the Dev team? Or best way to resolve this?
Thanks again
Hi ThomAB, Can you send me your email address by pm so that I can track your mail down? Thanks! Jonathan |
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Hi, Jonathan.
I've noticed that the app won't close after running it for more than 24 hours (It just keep on saying Shutting Down for hours). I've left it for half a day but it's still running, so I decided to terminate it through the task manager. After relaunching the app, all of my settings and bots disappeared. I hope there's a way for us to save individual bots in a separate file which you can import or export.
I've encountered this on Windows 10 using the latest version of the bot, I didn't have this problem in Ubuntu.
Please advise.
Hi Biege, You can manually save all strategy settings while leonArdo is running by right clicking the strategy button and saving all. Of course leonArdo should close properly, but we also know from experience that there are certain circumstances when it doesn't. It's something that we hope to improve going forward. Best wishes, Jonathan |
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Thanks.
eager to see what the problem is. You dont seem to be the only one.
I think they somehow reverted to an older database of the secret keys. Old keys 'start' to work but fail API verification (which is to be expected) but no newer secret keys pass Leonardo's start, so it's on LEO's end I think as it does not even try to connect to Poloniex.. If you didn't change your executable, your keys will always stay valid for leonArdo. The "valid" keys (actually the first half) are built-in the executable itself. That is why Jonathan needs to re-build a version for every new purchase. So it doesn't depend on an external server or database to check on that. And think about it: If it would depend on an external server to check the validity of keys, then all copies of leonArdo would stop working iof their server would be down, or if the company would cease its operations. Not a good model. So, logically: If you changed your executable, then I'd suggest you to revert back to the one you were using successfully before. If you are using the same executable as before, then my guess is that Poloniex (if that's the one you are using - which one is it?) has banned your IP, for a reason or another. It does happen sometimes - too often, actually. Try connecting from another IP. (And make sure there is no IP whitelist in place for your keys - I don't know if Poloniex has that feature.) Or try deleting leonArdo's setting folder (or rename it to make a copy beforehand), in case some file was corrupted and leonArdo was somehow sending a corrupt key. That way, you'll be forced to re-enter your keys when starting leonArdo again, and you'll be sure that you'll be using the correct keys. Thanks for jumping in TransAtlantic. I've been in contact with thedreamer trying to get to the bottom of his issue. Best wishes, Jonathan |
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A few requests and ?s
Can you please add a stop-loss to the ping-pong so I can use it as a stop-loss on newer coins going up.
Can you add in a way to set the other strategy so I can move the lines up and down to any setting I want? The problem I keep having on newer coins that are going up I can not move the buy line up to a point to buy in and move the sell line to the right place. Dragging out to use the history does not work on newer coins with not much history.
Is there any way to add in lines to the chart
Is the Kraken version coming soon I thought you posted it would be around two weeks many weeks back now.?
Thanks
Can you please add a stop-loss to the ping-pong so I can use it as a stop-loss on newer coins going up. We will add this soon. Can you add in a way to set the other strategy so I can move the lines up and down to any setting I want? The problem I keep having on newer coins that are going up I can not move the buy line up to a point to buy in and move the sell line to the right place. Dragging out to use the history does not work on newer coins with not much history. Good point. We'll look into it. It might be that a different pump/dump bot would work better. We are working on more bots. Is there any way to add in lines to the chart Not yet. But adding drawing tools is also something we are planning to do for an upcoming release. It all takes time... Is the Kraken version coming soon I thought you posted it would be around two weeks many weeks back now.? Yes, you are right. We have definitely taken too long to get Kraken out. It's API has been the most difficult to implement for a number of reasons. We really are nearly there now though. Sorry about the delay. Best wishes, Jonathan |
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Can anyone using leonArdo kindly explain to me how does it calculate effective gain?
I am fiddling with demo version (with Bittrex as exchange).
I chose margin maker as the strategy with the following settings:
Trading pair: LTC/BTC:
Amount (LTC) : 15.4704
Start with : Buy
Buy Margin: 32%
Sell Margin: 30%
Trading Window: 38%
Effective margin: 1.05%
Min Effective gain: -1%
The buy order went through with these details:
Type: limit buy
Price:0.01615998
Amount:15.470393
Total:0.25000124
The bot automatically placed a sell order with these details:
Type: limit buy
Price:0.0162114
Amount:15.470393
Total:0.25079673
I am not able to understand how selling at 0.0162114 amounts to 1.05% gain.
By the mathemetical formula Gain % = [(Selling Price - Cost Price) * 100]/ Cost Price
It comes to [(0.0162114 - 0.01615998)*100]/0.01615998 = 0.31819%
The formula gives effective gain as 0.318193%, and not 1.05% gain which I had aimed for.
There is quite a strong chance I am misunderstanding the settings. In that case would someone be kind enough to tell me what these settings (Buy Margin, Sell Margin, Trading Window, Effective margin) mean and what values should I provide in these settings if I want to get a profit of 1.05% in every trade.
Thanks.
Depends on the exchange. On bittrex it's a standard 0.25% for all trades. On poloniex the effective gain is calculated using standard taker fees of 0.25%. The API doesn't allow us to pre-determine the type of order so we choose to display the higher taker fees rather than the possible, most likely, even probably maker fees of 0.015%. Best wishes, Jonathan Thanks Jonathan for your answer. But I am still a bit confused. Does not 'effective gain' take the exchange fees into consideration ? Also, if I have to set 'minimum effective gain of 1%' and purchased a currency at say .034 btc, would the sell bid be automatically of at least 0.03434 btc(100.01% of 0.34 to account for 1% effective gain)? Different exchanges calculate how their fees are applied in different ways. There are C1 and C2 models. Where C1/C2 is a currency pair, ETH/USD for example. In leonArdo wherever you see Effective Gain we have figured out what the gain is after fees have to be paid on both sides. So for example you buy currency C1 for $100 and sell for $110. The gain is not 10% as the fees on both those trades have to be calculated. leonArdo does that based on each particular exchange's conditions and shows you what your effective gain is. Best wishes, Jonathan |
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I've asked the dev team to take a look. Have you any more details?
Does it crash while you are interacting with leonArdo's GUI? Or while it is left on it's own?
How many pairs are you running? Are you running the demo version of the software or a paid version?
The more details the better.
Thanks for getting in touch and sorry for the delay in getting back to you.
Best wishes,
Jonathan
1.- It crashes when it is left on its own. Everything seems to work fine, but when you leave the program running, after some time it just crashes. 2.- Initially I thought it was because I was running too many pairs, but even with just 2 pairs it also crashes. It doesn't seem to be related to the amount of pairs running. 3.- I'm running the demo version. I'm interested in buying your software but before I do that I need to confirm that it works. I'm running it on a Xubuntu virtual machine because I was running it on Windows 10 and it would also crash without any error message at all. With Ubuntu, at least I get a bunch of text with the malloc error. Are you running all these tests on the same computer, because it seems very strange that you are having such issues on all these OSs? Is your machine going to sleep while you are away? Still shouldn't crash, but just trying to figure out the situation? What about bots? Are you running them? Sorry for your frustrations! We are working hard on under the hood stability improvements but the particular issue you are having is not something we can reproduce right now. |
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@leonArdo Guys,
Have been playing with the demo version for about half an hour and am already liking it. However I have a couple of questions
1. What if I place a order through LeonArdo and later I cancel it through the exchange(Bittrex in my case)? Will it get reflected on Leonardo as well?
More generally, does leonArdo see the orders/actions initiated through it only, or is it able to handle ones initiated through the exchange as well.
I am sure the answer is latter, but just want to confirm.
2. I have barely spent an hour playing with it so not sure it is a an intended feature or me being unable to find the correct setting. But I am not able to reduce the amount of BTC to use to buy LTC while using the Margin maker.
My balance is 0.445 BTC and the Margin maker just does not seem to like any amount lesser than it. I am not move the slider to reduce the amount (though I am able to use it to increase the amount). When I manually enter the amount in the input box, the amount automatically reverts back to 0.445 BTC
3. While launching the program in Demo mode (Bittrex Demo), the inital balance is greyed out and set to 0.5 BTC. Is it possible to adjust it?
Thanks
Great you like leonArdo! 1. What if I place a order through LeonArdo and later I cancel it through the exchange(Bittrex in my case)? Will it get reflected on Leonardo as well?
More generally, does leonArdo see the orders/actions initiated through it only, or is it able to handle ones initiated through the exchange as well.
I am sure the answer is latter, but just want to confirm. leonArdo shows all orders on the exchange! If you cancel a leonArdo order on the exchange it disappears in leonArdo too! 2. I have barely spent an hour playing with it so not sure it is a an intended feature or me being unable to find the correct setting. But I am not able to reduce the amount of BTC to use to buy LTC while using the Margin maker.
My balance is 0.445 BTC and the Margin maker just does not seem to like any amount lesser than it. I am not move the slider to reduce the amount (though I am able to use it to increase the amount). When I manually enter the amount in the input box, the amount automatically reverts back to 0.445 BTC
This just sounds completely wrong and I can't reproduce it! Can you show me a screenshot of the issue? 3. While launching the program in Demo mode (Bittrex Demo), the inital balance is greyed out and set to 0.5 BTC. Is it possible to adjust it? Yes, it's possible. Uncheck the Continue last session checkbox and you can add your own starting balance. But take care if you want to have as realistic an experience as possible you should not trade with excessive amounts in the demo version. As your trades are only emulated they have no effect on the market in the way that real trades do! Best wishes, Jonathan |
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Hi All
Does anyone know if its possible and if so how to put % at the right side of the graph? Either as well as or instead of the rate?
Thanks
TheWood
That's not possible. But you can use leonArdo's ruler to drag from one point in the chart to another and see information regarding the effective gain etc. Best wishes, Jonathan |
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Feature Request
I'm currently trading on Bittrex manually and really need a Trailing Stop Loss feature for manual trades. A simple Stop Loss that could be changed would be the minimum solution. This feature should be usable across all supported exchanges. Please add to an upgrade soon. Thanks.
Thanks for your suggestion. We will definitely add this feature soon. Best wishes, Jonathan |
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Can anyone using leonArdo kindly explain to me how does it calculate effective gain?
I am fiddling with demo version (with Bittrex as exchange).
I chose margin maker as the strategy with the following settings:
Trading pair: LTC/BTC:
Amount (LTC) : 15.4704
Start with : Buy
Buy Margin: 32%
Sell Margin: 30%
Trading Window: 38%
Effective margin: 1.05%
Min Effective gain: -1%
The buy order went through with these details:
Type: limit buy
Price:0.01615998
Amount:15.470393
Total:0.25000124
The bot automatically placed a sell order with these details:
Type: limit buy
Price:0.0162114
Amount:15.470393
Total:0.25079673
I am not able to understand how selling at 0.0162114 amounts to 1.05% gain.
By the mathemetical formula Gain % = [(Selling Price - Cost Price) * 100]/ Cost Price
It comes to [(0.0162114 - 0.01615998)*100]/0.01615998 = 0.31819%
The formula gives effective gain as 0.318193%, and not 1.05% gain which I had aimed for.
There is quite a strong chance I am misunderstanding the settings. In that case would someone be kind enough to tell me what these settings (Buy Margin, Sell Margin, Trading Window, Effective margin) mean and what values should I provide in these settings if I want to get a profit of 1.05% in every trade.
Thanks.
Depends on the exchange. On bittrex it's a standard 0.25% for all trades. On poloniex the effective gain is calculated using standard taker fees of 0.25%. The API doesn't allow us to pre-determine the type of order so we choose to display the higher taker fees rather than the possible, most likely, even probably maker fees of 0.015%. Best wishes, Jonathan |
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Hi, Sent this as a PM to Jonathan but thought it may also help others.
Hi Jon
Im wanting to purchase Leonardo.
I started the process then i got to the Bitcoin Payment section.
I don't have any funds in a Desktop Wallet, only on Bittrex.
Now i can copy your BTC Address and then send the required BTC.
2 Questions really.
As BTC is 'anonymous' how will you know its me that has paid and grant the license?
Also im a little confused over the fee on Bittrex, when i send will it deduct the fee from the amount or add it on. Dont want to send it short and end up paying 2 X Transaction Fees.
Hope you get what im trying to say.
Matt
Hi Matt, Great you want to buy leonArdo! Yes you can just add the dynamic payment address generated by bitpay to your bittrex withdrawal and it will work. Not sure offhand how bittrex handle the fees? No worries if you are a little off. In our buying process as long as you add your email address we can link that to the payment. That's how we know you have paid! Best wishes, Jonathan |
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Just getting a hold of using this software. I love it. Can I just confirm that the relative stop loss acts as a trailing stop loss?
Yes! In the sense it follows where the last buy was made and is set relative to that. Great you love leonArdo! Best wishes, Jonathan |
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