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941  Economy / Investor-based games / Re: Why are there no legitimate HYIPs? on: June 28, 2017, 09:44:26 PM
Just curious how HYPE can be legit. Imagine guys website which tells you that they are legally registered HYPE and they are going to scam you if you invest money. If you want high profit with invest in online website, better to change your mind and go out and start work. Everyone likes easy or free money but no one likes working, ironic, without hard work we can't develope. So no one will give you legally and guaranteed 15% or higher of invested money, just ask yourself how can they cover fees, give you money and profit for them.

I try to be pretty careful when making generalized statements. I've never actually SEEN an HYIP that wasn't a scam, but I have most certainly not seen them all. So as for whether or not some of them may be legit, I can't say, but I wouldn't risk money with any of them.

Nearly any form of earning income, whether online or offline, will take time and effort, and possibly some spending money. If you see significant value being offered without a significant expenditure of time or effort, be wary.
942  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Is God male or female? on: June 28, 2017, 09:38:18 PM
Which sex is God?

Does He have a penis or a vagina?

If He has either...and there is only one God...why would he need reproductive organs?

In all honesty, God is the universe therefore he/she has no gender. Jesus is the personification of the sun which is why many religions all seem to have the same kind of characteristics i.e. rising after three days, etc.
Check out the documentary titled: Zeitgeist. It's really good.


Christians don't believe that Jesus is a sun God. He is the Light, but it's the illumination that the Trinity (Love, Beauty and Truth) provides us .

First, God is a Spirit and does not possess human characteristics or limitations. Second, all the evidence contained in the Book agrees that God revealed Himself to mankind in a male form. Not that I think it matters, but I think a dude was a good choice for this earth. Patriarchy won like, centuries ago. Like a female president, I don't think we are ready for a Goddess Wink

Also, I don't think God is going to hump, so gender doesn't really do  Him a whole lot Smiley
943  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Trumps Travel Ban? (Round 2) on: June 28, 2017, 09:28:54 PM
And the Supreme Court has no brought it back under an unanimous decision of the justices, they also came out and said that the federal courts under them had been overreaching their boundaries and shouldn't have done this. So I would be considering this a big win for the GOP and Trump in general.

Probably going to be something that's gonna set a precedence with the federal courts and executive actions of this order as well.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/26/us/politics/supreme-court-trump-travel-ban-case.html - Here's the NY Times article.

Lord I hope not. When we get the next Democratic POTUS in office, I hope judicial oversight has not degraded to the point that he would be able to ram silly shit down the pipe without any challenge, like say, a firearm ban, or revocation of current gun laws, in the name of national security. Just like when Dems used the nuclear option, and the Rebups came right behind them and did it again for Trump's confirmations. What goes around comes around, and I want to see the separation of power as deliniated as it can possibly be. We are breaking the system fighting each other, the parties I mean.

Two more things, I thought this was fucking hilarious Wink

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Second, the timetable suggested by the Supreme Court means that the October hearing may never happen. Here’s why. If the travel ban goes into (partial) effect in three days, as specified by Mr Trump’s clarification on June 14th, it will run its course in 90 days, expiring on September 27th, 2017. That’s five days before the justices take their seats for their next term. There is no need to judge the legality or constitutionality of a ban that has expired.

It's gonna run its course before they take it up again Smiley if he writes a new one, we will restart this process anew.

Also,
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Justice Clarence Thomas, joined by Justices Samuel Alito and Neil Gorsuch, wrote separately to say they would have revived Mr Trump’s travel ban in full. The “compromise will burden executive officials with the task of deciding—on peril of contempt— whether individuals from the six affected nations who wish to enter the United States have a sufficient connection to a person or entity in this country”, they wrote, and will invite “a flood of litigation”. And, Justice Thomas added, the very judges that blocked Mr Trump’s travel ban would probably be the ones considering whether a potential traveler has a “bona fide” reason for being excused from it.

I'm sure the judges that blocked the ban aren't going to enforce it in this circumstance. 'Bonafide'.
944  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Securing your wallet on: June 28, 2017, 08:55:08 PM
What nuances and secrets you know


Download the offline wallet generator from bitaddress.org or walletgenerator.net 's github page to your usb disk. The securest way is to create your private key on a freshly installed linux PC without any internet connection. Then use one of those offline paper wallet services and print your keys on a paper. You can't have a safer way than this.

*mind blown*

Holy shit rust, this never occurred to me. Was always wonky about using both these services because frankly, I really don't trust anyone or anything when it comes to cryptos, decentralization and trustlessness is key here. Of course I can download an open source app and run it on a not connected computer. Duh, dammit. Hindsight be damned, this should have been obvious Sad

Now that I'm thinking about it, did everyone that used brainwallet, eventually get compromised?  Generating a private key off of a phrase seemed like a poor idea, but did that pan out? Off topic, but bit address got me nostalgic Smiley

Listen to the man. He knows his shit.
945  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: BitCoin for Retirement on: June 28, 2017, 08:48:08 PM
If you want a retirement fund or if you want to secure your future then buying bitcoin or collecting it while you can is the best option for you to have a secured financial future state. Most of the people are putting their bank account savings in bitcoin because they believe that bitcoin has more potential than the interest which is very low in banks.


The only problem is the unpredictability of BTC prices. The trend is increasing, but how long? With banks is similar, we are not sure that after 20 years the bank has our money.

But, BTC usually generally uptrends, save the prolonged bull market that Gox gave us. I'm pretty sure cryptos will be a thing from here on out, banks are lining up to utilize blockchain technology, it's efficient cost wise and time wise. The level of capitalization in the cryptosystem makes me think major investors will be remiss to let the price drop to far down.It's too easy to depress/prop up the price with the low overall capitalization (even orange futures markets have more capitalization than most cryptos). You would at least most likely double up your value, as I can easily see 5000 btç, but better to invest sooner than later Wink
946  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Stolen NEM on: June 28, 2017, 08:09:17 PM
Guys I have been keeping a few thousands coins in Android wallet for about  two months. I loged in today and found ZERO balance.The coins has been stolen. My transaction history shows that first 10 NEM was withdrawn and two minutes after whole balance!!! Could developers explain this???

What wallet application was this? And did you ever lose physical possession of your device at any time? It sounds like someone either had possession of your priv key before you loaded the wallet, your device was remotely compromised, or someone gained possession of your device.

And how long after the deposit, was the initial withdrawal?
947  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin needs altcoins because ... on: June 27, 2017, 11:55:30 PM
...

- Alts work like a testnet for bitcoins (looking forward seeing Litecoin with SegWit)

- Once an alt feature looks working it might get adopted no matter onchain or in a side chain. (RSK)

- Alts mostly need bitcoin to trade and some bitcoins might be always reserved / locked for this.

- Alts might help to generate a closed bitcoin economy

My favorit comes here:

- Alts work like an infinite fear generator (Hydra) against any try of regulators to bring bitcoin down, since there are too many to kill and its very easy to just create a new one (like a Hydra cannot be killed by chopping off some heads, even the biggest one!) > crypto world is anti fragile and it will stay on this solar system from year 2009 on.


Any other things missing here?

... there needs to be alternatives.

Although bitcoin is capable of a lot of the features of the popular alts, I prefer each blockchain serving a distinct purpose. Litecoin indeed functions as a silver, as far as stability, and it's pretty fast. Doge is useful for xfer between exchanges, given the low price per coin, relatively stable price, and always low fees. ETH haa all the ERC20 tokens, atock like assets on a blockchain. Essentially, the differences in the coins are features. Bitcoin seems like a great long term store of value, but it's usefulness breaks down as an everyday spending currency.

We at least need ZCASH Wink you can't beat anon transactions, especially with the blockchain forensixs.forensics these days Wink
948  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Volatility - major reasons for ?! on: June 27, 2017, 11:46:53 PM
The chief reason for bitcoin's volatility, in my opinion, is the lack of investor experience, and lack of capitalization (weak/thin books). Half of the users that trade bitcoin are children, or at least don't speak English so good, as evidenced by the trollboxes of the various exchanges. The lack of an actual trading education, coupled with the low total capitalization on some exchanges (HitBTC is a good example), magnifies every pump, and worsens every dump. The term is called weak hands, but it's more than that; people in this space react too much off of news, and way too late after the news has dropped. In other words, lack of trading experience Wink

The price is also manipulated to shit, because of the low total capitalization Wink compared to forex, these positions are drops in a bucket.
949  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What could eclipse Bitcoin and make it antiquated? on: June 27, 2017, 11:29:58 PM
The more I think about the long term viability of Bitcoin, the more I think about what could eclipse Bitcoin's advances in technology and role in the monetary system that would make it antiquated an no longer useful?

Anyone with deep cryptography and monetary system experience care to chime in and offer opinions on what would have to occur for Bitcoin to be obsolete in its current form?

Thanks.

To be honest, if/when ETH recovers, these token sales might be the ticket to widespread adoption. We are on the cutting edge of ERC20 tokens, which behave like smart stocks to me. Essentially, the innovation on the ETH blockchain is already pretty daunting compared to bitcoin. Sure, it could be a layer on the bitcoin blockchain, but we are pretty hurt right now as far as congestion.

A major corp, like Microsoft or Google, making a crypto would probably have me  hook line and sinker. You know they are going to prop the price up; it's part of the brand Wink
950  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [SNT] Official Status ICO Speculation on: June 27, 2017, 10:38:00 PM
will it be on bittrex and poloniex ?

I hope that if bittrex is not very busy now, they will list it. I expect really high volume.

We'll know the price soon Smiley

I saw this as a rumor on Reddit a few hours ago, but I couldn't substantiate it at the time. Is there an official announcement that it's going to be listed in Bittrex? I haven't been in the slack, and they suck with blog updates LOL.

 I'm being mean, despite the crazy, this wasn't that bad of an ICO. They did achieve decent distribution.
951  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Trumps Travel Ban? (Round 2) on: June 27, 2017, 01:42:37 PM
Trump may have a made a mistake by doing things openly.

He could have ordered an unofficial travel ban as well. Visas for Syrians or Somalis have only been delivered on a case-by-case basis for years. Trump could have discreetly ordered to make the scanning process even more rigorous, actually blocking all demands, and nobody would have noticed.

Why should he do something like that? He is the president of the United States, and he is having the liberty to change and modify the policies regarding immigration. It is the judges who are overstepping their jurisdiction.

This is correct, but Trump must wait until Gorsuch is confirmed for the Supreme Court, and then go with a broad question to them:

Can circuit court judges trump an executive order of Trump?

If the question is not posed broadly, then these renegade judges can go time and time again, over ruling a President.

With Gorsuch confirmed and the Court then 5-4 instead of 4-4 as is current, then a decision can be rendered that solves this matter once and for all.

Notice they have largely left the challenges alone. After Gorush makes it in, suddenly, it will get appealed to the highest court in the land. I'm curious to see what else gets pushed to the court once makes it in (its pretty much inevitable at this point).

... and now that he is in, voila! Travel ban reinstated, but partially. I really don't get this; it's like they actually want chaos to ensue. Suspending review but letting it be actionable?

Notice we haven't had a terror attack on US soil recently (well, Islamic terror at least). This tells me two things. One, since this occurred while we didn't have the ban in place, I have to wonder how effective it will be. And two, now that this topic (it's perceived globally as a 'Muslim Ban) is at the forefront of global consciousness, will that illusion of safety falter?

And on the topic of shit that finally made it through the pipeline, that Christian cake thing might see the light of day.

And we all know it's a waste, because the cake is quite obviously a lie Wink
952  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Will the final number of bitcoins become a serious limitation? on: June 27, 2017, 12:34:34 PM
If you think that bitcoin will lose functionality because the supply is limited, no it won't. And just like what the post above me said, it is divided to eigth decimals parts. And besides, the limit makes the price go higher. The demand would go up but the supply does not, to the price will definitely go higher and higher.

There is essentially an unlimited number of coins, due to the divisibility of value. If we need more 'room', so to speak, we just need to add a few more decimal places. But we are forgetting that bitcoin isn't the only crypto.  Bitcoin will most likely be the most consistently expensive coin, due to its longevity. But if we are talking about a scenario were bitcoin has become so widespread that 25 million coins aren't enough, we have a plethora of other options. Which honestly might be a better choice, bitcoin seems better for long term value storage, to me.
953  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Wanna Cry new ? please help on: June 27, 2017, 12:27:51 PM
Hello, guys !
Please help with in fighting the virus.

At the wife at work the server and other computers picked up a virus similar to WannaCry
(All except the wife's computer, to which I installed Comodo)

The server is a laptop without antivirus and firewall.
All important information is stored on the server.



Bitcoin address and email:
1Mz7153HMuxXTuR2R1t78mGSdzaAtNbBWX
wowsmith123456@posteo.net


Shit! Sorry to hear this man. Ransomware has been around for a while now, this may not be a WC variant as much as a predecessor. Pray it's an old one; some of the encryption has been broken on the oldest ones, and there may be a utility to help you recover your data.

If it's a business, they need to report this to the authorities, for the sake of investigation and liability. As for the terminals, it is unfortunate, but the data is most likely gone. Really hoping they were using back ups.

What are the IT guys saying, or, no ITs at this particular job? (May be a small company, but if they are all using terminals, somebody is fixing them).
954  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What if Governments Shutdown the Internet? on: June 27, 2017, 12:17:46 PM
If viewed from the current internet function, of course the government will never turn off internet for any reason.
Because function of internet today is a fundamental requirement for survival as well as economic circle in many countries. Many business sectors require Internet as an access to business and other activities. Bitcoin always has a bond with internet connection in doing its activities as well as other transactions.


You'd be surprised. I think they severely restricted internet access to citizens in certain countries during the events of the Arab Spring. You need an autocratic regime to facilitate something like this, but not so far fetched.

But in most modern world societies, internet connectivity is damned near a right. I don't ever think my gov (US) would go this far, even in the event of a fire sail. Too many other services, vtal and non vital, depend on the net; this would effect cops, doctors, travel, communication.. I believe bitcoin would be the least of your worries at this point.

Besides, given the current state of congestion on the network, it's cheaper and easier to simply spam the network to death. It's happening organically on ETH whenever there is an ERC20 token ICO; how hard would it be to permanently supress a less adaptive network, when you have a nation's resources at your disposal?
955  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Is Bitcoin Sound Money? on: June 27, 2017, 04:04:06 AM
Oh c'mon lets all be realistic here. Anybody here says bitcoin is not sound money for them? Just give me your btc though!  Roll Eyes

On a serious note, as long as it pays my bills, I can buy what I want and it support my living, bitcoin is sounds really money for me.
Stop comparing btc vs. gold because they are a lot difference. Gold is tangible, btc is not. Maybe they are always being compared because of their high value in our society.

Well, let's define money, vs an investment. When I think of money, I think of static value. I get paid for my job with x money, my bills cost y money, and I get to save z for later, or at least until I want to buy drugs. When I think of an investment, I think of something that's going to appreciate (or depreciate, you can't pick em all). Bitcoin is, suffice it to say, volatile. You can't make any long term plans with certainty, say a power bill or a mortgage, because you may wake up to find you only have 75% of the value you put aside to pay said bill. This is why the IRS wisely considers btc property instead of currency; the valuation varies too much per annum/quarter/day/hour Wink

This isn't sound money. This is bedlam.



956  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [SNT] Official Status ICO Speculation on: June 27, 2017, 02:26:30 AM
Since I've seen so many ask, a reddit post from the devs concerning the trade unlock:

carl_status • 5h
Hey, that would be up to exchanges, not Status. It is worth noting that SNT will become transferable at 2017-06-28 11:45:21 UTC. Thanks!

Before you ask, it's AM Smiley

Quote from: carl_status
Hey it's am.

You can actually Google '1145 UTC yourcity time' e.g. '1145 UTC Singapore time' to see that in your local time zone.

For reference, this will be 7:45:21 AM, EST. 2017-06-28. If you go to work in the morning, and you live in the States, this may be a vexing time Sad


Known Exchanges:
Futures Contract - BitMex
IOU Token (SNT) -  HitBTC
Listed, But Inactive - Tidex
957  Bitcoin / Electrum / Re: Maybe wrong spot. 2 Electrum questions: on: June 27, 2017, 12:12:44 AM
Is it safe to continue to send it to the same address?

Also, what the easiest way to create a new wallet?

Thanks for the help

It's good practice to generate a new receive address, and exchanges, some exchanges, did this for a while. It's more a staying anon thing; it's harder trace back if you get forensiced. But unless you are purchasing some seriously dodgy shit, it shouldn't be an issue.

If you trust Coinbase (they are insured, but I don't know how much coin you are talking), their ETH wallet can be secured via Authy or Authenticator, per withdrawal. It's in the account security settings, and from experience, if you move your coins a lot, it will be a pain in the ass. Given the volatility of late, you may want to hang tight on an exchange, and implement this after the storm Wink
958  Economy / Speculation / Re: Crypto Bloodbath on: June 27, 2017, 12:03:55 AM
Where do we buy now that Coinbase is down? Only been using coinbase and mining till now.


Local Bitcoins is one choice. There are many ways depending on your risk level.
You could sell a service, or something, depending on what you like to do.

  • Play the ETH Bubble game = Make a decent presentation, call yourself a CEO, and people will be throwing money at you...

Oops are we allowed to say that on this side of the forum?
Sorry guys.   Cheesy

Try Abra, I'm trying it out now. It's an Android app, there is most likely a Apple counterpart. Links right to your bank account, does the 3 day ACH thing just like Coinbase. LBC is always a good choice, but it's hard to find a decent rate when the price is volatile.

Has anyone considered pegging to digital gold? Gold is never this volatile.

An ATM isn't a bad idea right now either, if you live near one. Even if you have to make a trip, it might be worth it Wink
959  Other / Politics & Society / Re: ISIS is nothing compared to U.S. cops. on: June 26, 2017, 03:15:36 AM
Such a comparison is in my opinion inappropriate. Even though the Internet has a lot of materials on the facts of illegal actions of the police confirms that they cannot be compared to ISIS. Many times have you seen such materials about the methods of terrorists from ISIS. Have you seen the COP who cut off the head guy?

No, but they did used to hang folks, I will admit the beheading is much more spectacular Smiley

Perspective, perspective, perspective (I'll use Snopes, we can all agree on the veracity)


According to Gary Potter, a crime historian at Eastern Kentucky University, a centralized, bureaucratic police system did not emerge until well into the 1800s, but was quickly adopted by cities around the country:

It was not until the 1830s that the idea of a centralized municipal police department first emerged in the United States. In 1838, the city of Boston established the first American police force, followed by New York City in 1845, Albany, NY and Chicago in 1851, New Orleans and Cincinnati in 1853, Philadelphia in 1855, and Newark, NJ and Baltimore in 1857 (Harring 1983, Lundman 1980; Lynch 1984). By the 1880s all major U.S. cities had municipal police forces in place.

These “modern police” organizations shared similar characteristics: (1) they were publicly supported and bureaucratic in form; (2) police officers were full-time employees, not community volunteers or case-by-case fee retainers; (3) departments had permanent and fixed rules and procedures, and employment as a police officers was continuous; (4) police departments were accountable to a central governmental authority (Lundman 1980).


This would be what we define as a modern day cop, not the constables or the nightwatch, the earliest forms of American policing. State sponsored custodians of the law, officers of the peace. But the primary function they served was anything but:

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More than a hundred years earlier, in 1704, the colony of Carolina developed the fledgling United States’ first slave patrol.  The patrol consisted of roving bands of armed white citizens who would stop, question, and punish slaves caught without a permit to travel.  They were civil organizations, controlled and maintained by county courts.  The way the patrols were organized and maintained provided a later framework for preventive (rather than reactive) community policing, particularly in the South

So these were what we would define as a cop as well. Notice they pass the four point test in the previous quote.

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In 1822, for example, Charleston, South Carolina, experienced a slave insurrection panic, caused by a supposed plot of slaves and free blacks to seize the city. In response, the State legislature passed the Negro Seamen’s Act, requiring free black seamen to remain on board their vessels while in Carolina harbors. If they dared to leave their ships, the police were instructed to arrest them and sell them into slavery unless they were redeemed by the ship’s master.

Now, if in the 1830s police were being used to discipline slaves, we have 35 years until slavery was abolished. And cops affiliated with white supremacy have illegally killed citizens in the South as late as the 1960s. But the abolition of slavery didn't depower the cops, it emboldened them, because they were able to use preventative policing and discriminatory legislature to harass citizens. And it's not just slaves, it's minority immigrants to America, period. The Chinese, the Irish, Natives. Let me explain preventative vs reactive policing. This is where it slipped from racism to classism, I'll explain in a sec:

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Policing had always been a reactive enterprise, occurring only in response to a specific criminal act. Centralized and bureaucratic police departments, focusing on the alleged crime-producing qualities of the “dangerous classes” began to emphasize preventative crime control. The presence of police, authorized to use force, could stop crime before it started by subjecting everyone to surveillance and observation. The concept of the police patrol as a preventative control mechanism routinized the insertion of police into the normal daily events of everyone’s life, a previously unknown and highly feared concept in both England and the United States (Parks 1976).

Preventative policing gave police powers that allowed them to profile, and surveil. We evolved from profiling minorities, to the poor, to finally, everyone but the elite. I've seen cute white chicks get slammed by a cop just like black dudes, shit, I have seen cops fuck over old ladies. Cops are kinda dangerous at the moment, they can act without fear of punishment in the 'pursuit of justice'. Hence all the black bro shootings with no convictions. Shit, I would shoot first too if I were a cop, you have less than a 1/1000 literal chance of being convicted. Seriously, why take the chance of getting shot by some punk?

Now, ISIS has an evil intent, while the actual mission of a peace officer is a noble pursuit. But let me pose a few questions:

If the police have been around for 200 years, vs ISIS being formed in 1999, who has had more potential for harm? Even if that harm is intentional?

The highest estimate of ISIS fighters I could find was 200000. How does that pale to the number of cops employed, since the 1800s?

With how post colonial American race tensions played out, do you think the cops were arresting minorities, or simply killing them? Private citizens could kill minorities and avoid prosecution, surely a cop could, yes?

And I'm not championing African American oppression. I'm pointing out the legal powers and protections police have been afforded to deal with minorities, have been used by the government to devolve all our civil liberties. Another example, 911. A minority did a really bad thing, and all of the sudden we have the Patriot Act. They actually had the nerve to call it the Patriot Act. Because being a true Patriot is getting my nuts grabbed at the airport Sad

There is much truth to the ideology BD is trying to communicate. He used incendiary rhetoric; y'all stopped listening Wink

As he stated, we expect ISIS to be a dick. But when our protectors that we pay to protect us are a dick, it's a much more sinister betrayal.

And ISIS has never given me a speeding ticket. There's that Wink
960  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: We can't buy something with Bitcoin quickly on: June 26, 2017, 01:50:32 AM
In this time,bitcoin is not convenient to use for daily expense
It's like gold,you are not spend gold to buy some trivial need
Maybe in the future,after the problem of long transaction and high fees has been solved,we can use it for daily matters

I kinda agree to your opinion. This is one of the downside when using bitcoins to pay on your daily expenses. It is really a hassle that every time you pay using bitcoin there will always be a transaction fees to be paid for that is and additional to what you were going to spend. Compared to cash it is really far from bitcoins to compete in this kind of department.

This fee is/was present in electronic point of sale transactions; you don't notice it because it is priced in to the products and services we purchase. See here:

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Even at 1.5% on average, credit card interchange fees are higher than those charged by Interac for debit transactions. Under the proposals a merchant will pay an average $1.50 for each $100 in goods or services paid for with a credit card.

Essentially, they pay a fee per transaction as well, but I will admit it is much lower than its bitcoin counterpart.

This is why small businesses sometimes have minimum transactions.

Dodd Frank limited these fees, I think they were like .25-.30 cents. We are currently repealing Dodd Frank, so there's that Wink

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