Yes! I agree with you because this has always perplexed me about our political system. We make great efforts for equal representation across classes (Repub/Dem, men/women, ethnic majorities/minorities). But for some reason, we completely ignore age, the older you are, the better you are for politics. Given the average age of politicians, how do their opinions represent the younger voters that are their constituents? They pay taxes, they deserve representation as well.

This has puzzled me with the criminal justice system as well. If we are supposed to get 'a jury of peers', do kids tried as adults, or very young adults, deserve to have a jury of young people try them?

I had never considered this, but goddamnit this seems like a good idea. I'm.moderate on regulation, but who better to kiss the animals asses than them? I'm not even mad at that, they love animals, fuck it, let's put that to use. They should provide the highest level of care due to their level of concern; and they get more than enough in private donations to keep everything going, it would take little fed/state subsidy to maintain.

You get a cookie. Hilariously sarcastic at the end, but fucking brilliant, man.

It's not for a lack of Christian religious extremism; it just doesn't usually get labeled as such, especially in the current administration or past political climates where it has emerged. The Klu Klux Klan (full name for those bastards) has always espoused itself a Christian organization. The cross wasn't always a part of the ceremony, but the symbol isn't just there for shits and giggles.


The KKK was the most funded, nationally accepted terrorist organization in the United States. It lobbied, it even got tax breaks. Used to march down main streets with kids and ladies, waving and smiling. And burn a cross that same night in someone's yard, to scare them. That's the latter KKK, the former KKK, circa Jim Crow, actually burned you or hung you in your yard. If that's not the definition of terrorism, I don't know what is.

Terrorism is indeed a problem, but political parties are using this talking point to advance their agendas, hence all the rhetoric you hear floating around. The scapegoat that advances the agenda will be the 'issue', its easy to rally voters behind something that is a seeming black/white choice, when there are always shades of grey.

People will use any half baked excuse to force their views/will on unwilling others, religion is just a really popular method any person that would perpetrate something like this is obviously not a man of God.

I will say, now that the victims of terror are the majority, terror is a very big deal interesting.

Use a trusted exchange, or proper escrow. I suggest Coinbase, it's pretty easy and the verification process is automated for the most part. This is for purchase however, you have many options but be wary of the fees when you purchase, the premium on transferring cash to bitcoin can be as high as 15% in circumstances. Storage is a different story.

Hardware wallet. Always remember that if any other party has your private key, they too own your coins as they can control them. Coins on an exchange are yours no doubt, until they get hacked, or abscond. A software wallet is fine for small amounts, but you are subject to the security of the operating system the wallet operates in, if that's compromised, you were fucked from jump

This only matters if you use a hosted wallet, use the Bitcoin client or a wallet that will allow you to set fees and you can avoid this. You set the fees; if the transaction isn't very time sensitive, like sending bitcoin to savings account, then you can use a low fee of your choosing, provided it's reasonable. If you send a really, really low fee, there is a real change with all the congestion that your transaction may sit in mempool long enough to fade back out. You'd have your coins, but would have wasted a lot of time

Time really is money

Depends on what wallet you are using.

Most Android wallets allow this; it's in the settings, or a button/tab right before the 'confirm' or 'send' option. Hosted exchanges (Coinbase, Kraken, Poloniex) sometimes bundle transactions to save fees, and use dynamic fees to ensure customers get withdrawals in a timely fashion. Services like these don't give you the option to set fees at all, but it's usually not a deal, it's enough, they will charge you a generic fee that isn't respective of the size of your transqxtion, or send it for free.

Hardware wallets look at the network and suggest the most efficient fee, but you can adjust it usually. Never had to on my KeepKey.


What wallet are you using?

Coinbase should be able to produce proof/account records for this matter, I could be wrong but we would have at CEX, provided the requestor identified themself enough. The purchases should be tied to fiat account action, or if the coins are old and from off exchange,  coin age (balance info) on the account should demonstrate previous ownership.

Have to ask, where did this muddy up? It seems like the best way to buy big assets with Bitcoin is to convert to USD. This should have been straightforward if the source of the coins/income can be explained to the IRS, the coinbase account is verified enough (high account limit), and the bank accepts the wire (they are going to ask about it, since it's over 10k, but it's a legitimate asset sale). Seems like the IRS would be the bastard in this, interested in this.
Keep us posted

I didn't check your fee, but the network has been kind of congested lately, I'm assuming because of the recent uptick in interest. Unless you sent a really healthy fee (something you can only control if you set the fee yourself), this unfortunately might take a while at the moment. You picked the wrong day  Exchange and hosted wallets rarely have this function; the standard fee they use that would normally serve to provide a decently fast transaction, just won't cut it.

Give it more time, it's frustrating, I know. Your coins aren't lost; worst case scenario, the txn will get dropped by the mempool if it doesn't confirm, and the funds will be available to spend again (this time with a nice fee attached).

Edit: forgot about txn xcl, great idea, do that.

LOL, it's sad that we are celebrating 20 minute txns this day and age, maybe it's time to implement SegWit dammit .  But I am happy for you, this is rare occurrence nowadays unless you want to pay ten percent on a ten dollar transaction.

Personally, I think we should beat them with sticks. Or like, take their cash and burn it, and say 'Ha! This wouldn't have happened if you had bitcoins!'

Empathy through experience always the best tutor

This. Eventually, conflicts end. When they do, the war infrastructure in place starts to get missing, especially in the losing territory. A great many grenades and RPGs made it back in golf club bags and luggage after the Korean conflict; Russian drug dealers are the current proud owners of Soviet tanks and  military surplus that would make our SWAT teams blush. When the dust settles, these weapons will trickle down to the next regime with sympathies from the existing regime. Ultimately, just by placing military hardware that can be misappropriated in a region with hostile actors, we have harmed our future operational security.

To above poster with the picture, I think I see what you did there. You get a cookie

Political correctness caught up with tradition, it happens often nowadays. The optics on keeping animals for entertainment have grown dim in recent years, thanks to the corporate treatment of animals-as-attractions. Instead of treating the animals with respect, they kept the animals in squalid conditions and treated them poorly (think SeaWorld). Profit chasing turned into public outrage, then regulation. The industry brought this upon itself, but this was inevitable. People did pay to watch gladiator events in the past, and parents would bring kids to beheadings and lychings, they would even pack a lunch Tastes change over time; this was a victim of that.

Sucks for the trainers and performers though. These are unique skills, dying arts, so to speak.

They should have adapted. Lost the animals and focused on human acts like the Vegas circuit.

Misattribution, I hate that. Let me point out the fallacies.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy_of_composition

The fallacy of composition arises when one infers that something is true of the whole from the fact that it is true of some part of the whole (or even of every proper part). For example: "This wheel is made of rubber, therefore the vehicle to which it is a part is also made of rubber." This is clearly fallacious, because vehicles are often made with a variety of parts, many of which may not be made of rubber.

This fallacy is often confused with the fallacy of hasty generalization, in which an unwarranted inference is made from a statement about a sample to a statement about the population from which it is drawn.

Which leads into the second fallacy, they truly roll deep, so to speak.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hasty_generalization

Hasty generalization is an informal fallacy of faulty generalization by reaching an inductive generalization based on insufficient evidence—essentially making a rushed conclusion without considering all of the variables. In statistics, it may involve basing broad conclusions regarding the statistics of a survey from a small sample group that fails to sufficiently represent an entire population.[1] Its opposite fallacy is called slothful induction, or denying a reasonable conclusion of an inductive argument (e.g. "it was just a coincidence").

Yes, followers of Islam that are actual terrorists are violent, brutal, murderous assholes. But like assuming a whole house is made of plastic because you touched the doorbell first, attributing the actions of an extreme minority to a majority because they share affiliation, doesn't always make sense.

It is important to note that the primary victims of terror, specifically of the brand seen in Manchester, are Muslims themselves. For every Manchester that occurs in the West, ten tragedies occur of a greater magnitude in ISIS occupied territories. Mosques get blown the fuck up with an alarming frequency; you might catch a bum deal simply walking to market, or being in a common public place. I say that to say this; it seems they manage to kill more of their own than they do us. An enemy that kills itself, the snake that bites its own tail; perhaps we do not percieve the end of the snake and the start of the tail. They are one of a whole but yet, wholly separate parts.

To counter, it would be slothful to ignore the correlation between incident of violent, contemporary religious extremism and those who claim to be Muslim. It certainly exists. 100 percent of ISIS claims to practice Islam, the most pure form, by their reckoning. But the fallacies of slothful induction and hasty generalization both rely on limited perspective. Consider how long Islam has been around, and consider how the violence of this particular nature only clusters around now and lately. If you want to mention the violent history of Islam, you would have to concede the equally violent histories of all the Abrahamic faiths, in context. This a modern social construct, terrorism; it may correlate with Islam at the moment, but it does not originate from Islam.

Good discussion peeps, please keep this rolling The opinions are diverse and zesty, I almost want to make a bipartisan politics forum sans bitcoin. These conversations usually degrade into name calling quickly, although it hasn't been all above the belt, I'm proud of y'all for keeping it civil, for the most part.

Old testament mostly. After the Gift, absolution comes from simple request; the wicked are actually allowed to continue in their wickedness to their ends. It is seemingly cruel, but it has a two fold purpose; free will is observed, which seems of critical importance, and the wicked are allowed to firmly root themselves in their ways, ensuring they have no place in the Kingdom. Also, the Lord has a thing about allowing the unjust to collect a great deal of substance, so that when they perish, it is distributed to the just. Thus, the wages of sin pay the debt of charity

It's a classic atheist talking point; not knocking atheism, but I had to point out the minutiae for clarity.

The first murderer, Cain, was allowed to continue to the end of his days. The originator of homicide, and he was indeed punished, but even at the very beginning of the Book, the most brutal part, he lives.

Something to ponder on.
Carry on

That's arguable. I agree that there is plenty of room for upward movement (although I will go the record as saying we will go no higher than 3k on this advance.) But even if it goes up to 10k, you get more when you buy cheaper. I don't buy into peaks; if I miss out,  I wait for a retraction and try, or just wait for later. This is a whole lot of folks buying into peaks, we call that a bubble.

We all remember how well that went last time..

Even if we saw a significant slump, instead of just a crash; gold is much more popular by magnitudes.  I don't think people would be so eager to jump fight back into a volatile asset after getting burned on traditional assets. Also, that three day settlement period on accounts would be the kiss of death for a late investor, by the time your funds cleared, that is, if you weren't already positioned, you'll probably miss out

Seems like folks are going full derp, but it remains to be seen what traditional markets do relative to bitcoin, to see if this growth will be sustained, or subject to retraction. This feels like right before MT Gox went off the rails. People kept buying despite the bubble, and when it finally popped, people were a bit salty that they had just paid 1000 for something they could later get for 400.

Gold is king. Liken bitcoin to gold, and cash to money in your checking account. In the case of a national emergency, which would you prefer? It's always better have hard, real assets that are liquidable in times of uncertainty; but in times of perceived relative safety, it's better to hold the more uncertain asset, as this uncertainty will be priced into the asset, and it will probably experience greater growth than the physical safe haven asset (compare the 52 week performance of bitcoin and gold).

Bitcoin is great if you need liquidity. But if you are in it for the long haul, and want the certainty of a value store that has been around since Jesus, gold is your man.

Good man I appreciate your level headedness, you would be rational right now to act very irrationally, and I wouldn't be able to blame you for that. I was a kid when 9/11 happened, I will never forget the looks on the faces of my instructors and parents. I had never seen adults so dark, especially my parents. I still have a poor taste in my mouth from that day, something you can probably taste as well.

 We will fix this. I don't know how, but dammit, we will fix this. Thank you, sincerely. Thank you.

Popcorn, a sincere message from me to you, heed me. I know this feels bad man. There is no way way to paint this, I won't insult you by trying. But be chill. I know the outrage is real, the anger is real, and while I don't agree with your views on Muslims, I totally get this. I don't have kids myself, but suffice it to say I've raised a few. If my lil sis (she lives music) would have gone to this, shit, if it were here she just might have; the thought of that fills me with a dread, and a quiet rage, something I can't grasp the edges of, but it's there, like storm clouds. But curb that anger. I won't sell you on a peaceful Muslim; you have made your views clear, and I respect them. But be the cooler head in this. And encourage your friends that want to kick some ass to chill as well. We don't need to compound this tragedy; let things run their course. It sucks, I know it sucks,. But anger directed at the wrong party is what killed those poor kids initially. Let's not strike out blindly in rage, lest we make the same  mistake.

Be strong. Be mad, but hold it together for us, broseph. Please be strong.