It's not just people that don't want to work; it's alot of people that can't work as well. If you don't provide for those that need assistance when you have enough, not only are you a shit, but you open yourself up to having desperate folks come take your cookie.

One should provide for the common greater good, so that eventually, it can be relied on to provide for him. Pay it forward. Help your future self by helping your brother today.

LOL, and tell the IRS that taxation is theft. They see it quite the opposite

I disagree. But I still lurvs you.

Again, we are arguing opinion. This will go nowhere. And, you have alot of hostile tone bleeding through, it's difficult to read your intent. I haven't really attacked atheism like you have attacked Christianity, because I don't really gave any spare fucks to give out. But if I did, we would simply be comparing and contrasting two religions with opinions (atheism and christianity). We might as well be bragging about our favorite team.

But yeah, man, I fucking love those words. So sorry, if that didn't do it for you,.

Thanks for your time that wasn't productive, but it did offer useful insight.

And on a meta thought, the religion threads have been hot tonight, this may have been productive after all. We got people reading and thinking, high five.

No, Moloch, I was trying to respond to you in a civil fashion, and explain my motivations. Identifying motivations is key to solving problems involving human actors, I was trying to be efficient. My apologies if it came off wrong.

Yes, I dispute your claim that Leviticus is full of laughably silly laws, to use your parlance in summation. The following few sentences are my argument as evidence. The laws in question were a specific covenant with a specific set of God's followers, and have additional historical context. In my opinion (which doesn't really matter) they served multiple purposes: they spelled out rules for hygiene at a time when people that disease was a magical function, they set up rules for the religious caste and property ownership/ community duties (the Levite's and the complicated relationship with the rest of the tribes, being the dedicated priestly tribe), and rules on sexual congress at a time when sister fucking was a meh thing. The rules are blunt, admittedly, but for a reason: they are being dictated to a simpler people, and broadly enough to stand the test of future interpretation. I don't get all of them, to be sure; I have no beef with shellfish (see what I did there?) But just because I don't understand something doesn't invalidate it.

Which leads to my next argument (notice I'm not citing verse, you seem aware of the Book, there is no need). Just because there is a singular undesirable part of a thing, does not mean that the whole is invalidated. Especially with a concept such as elegance, which is purely subjective in the first place. Hell, this whole convo is pretty meaningless given we are arguing opinion; I was surprised you engaged me in this manner, given that I was offering such subjective content initially in our discussion (my opinion of the mop video). Anywho, I'll give one of my favorite books (well, series of books), the Dark Tower series by Stephen King. It's a lot, but suffice it to say there is every form of fuckery known to man (rape, murder, witchcraft, pedophilia, shit, if it's bad, it happened). But, it's part of the story; it helps define the experience through contrast, or simply illustrates the starkness of the situation.

As far as expressing a lineage in writing in a format that would stand future interpretation and translation, how would you have done it?

And my favorite passage at the moment (it changes, but I always come back to this because it is so universal) is this, an example of the elegance I was talking about (at least in my opinion, which isn't the same as your obviously). We will never agree on your argument, we are giving opinions and not facts. So, fittingly:

Ecclesiastes 1

Everything Is Meaningless
1 The words of the Teacher,[a] son of David, king in Jerusalem:

2 “Meaningless! Meaningless!”
    says the Teacher.
“Utterly meaningless!
    Everything is meaningless.”
3 What do people gain from all their labors
    at which they toil under the sun?
4 Generations come and generations go,
    but the earth remains forever.
5 The sun rises and the sun sets,
    and hurries back to where it rises.
6 The wind blows to the south
    and turns to the north;
round and round it goes,
    ever returning on its course.
7 All streams flow into the sea,
    yet the sea is never full.
To the place the streams come from,
    there they return again.
8 All things are wearisome,
    more than one can say.
The eye never has enough of seeing,
    nor the ear its fill of hearing.
9 What has been will be again,
    what has been done will be done again;
    there is nothing new under the sun.
10 Is there anything of which one can say,
    “Look! This is something new”?
It was here already, long ago;
    it was here before our time.
11 No one remembers the former generations,
    and even those yet to come
will not be remembered
    by those who follow them.

Wouldn't you agree?

Thank you for proper discourse, I appreciate you genuinely.

What claims have I made? Ive stated that I think the Bible is the bees knees, as far as writing goes, as well as the Koran. Ive also stated that I think Jesus was a badass speaker. And that most Christians don't diddy bip each other with mops during service. I'm not really try to sell you anything, anyone anything, for that matter. We haven't really discussed your particular deal with Christianity,  I don't know your beef.. I would enjoy the conversation, I like to test my faith and reaffirm it. It would also contribute to my post count, which is most righteous for my bitcoin wallet.

So, let's start an actual discussion about Christianity,. I agree with your views on organized religion. The sects, and not the message, are the problem in my book. People go off by themselves and interpret the book in novel ways, then come back to the fold with unfamiliar ideas that the whole rejects. At the worst, these sects turn into cults, social societies that reflect a singular person ideas, rather than the message. But the message itself, in my opinion, is beyond reproach. Yes, there is shittyness in the Bible; it reflects a harder time when Gods touch was more evident. We werent as smart, the symbols were alot bokder, so to speak, to drive the point home. It's not cute, the Old Testament reads like the Game of Thrones. Mofos dying left and right the worst ways. But the point is to learn from their adversity; the tales were recorded to instill ideas on future generations. God's wrath is a bitch, ask Old Testament Jews. But his love is infinite; and the teachings of Jesus reflect this, a softer tone with biting rhetoric that teaches moral indignation and divine wrath , but a civil, pacifist approach to conflict resolution. That's what the Big Guy intended, but sadly, the message got list, so to speak, in modern society.

So, where do we disagree? I don't have time to read this whole thread, bit I speed read, so if you want me to familiarize myself with your previously stated positions, inform me, and allow me some time to research. I love a good synthetic conversation, in my opinion, a good argument among friends about something stimulating is God's gift. Floats my boat

So let's get to know each other, Moloch. Your move.

I do not tend to shy away from the realities of this existence. Cannibalism, sacrifice, slavery, they are features of my reality, unfortunately. I live on planet Earth, it's quite fucked here.

It's easier for me because I do not share your prejudices. I've read many, many books, and the Bible, and Koran, are the most elegantly written. Don't agree with the Koran, but the symbols, and the fact that it rhymes in an odd way, is intriguing to me. But the Bible, tour de force.

I might not be well.

I may need counseling

You sound bitter, man. Not resistant, but bitter. Why do you hate Christianity so much? What happened to you, if you will share?  Do you want to debate with us, or yell at us? I'm being genuine, I'm not trying to convert you or anything, but I would like to have genuine discourse.

I will concede that those that peddle hard drugs cause great harm to society. But is the death penalty an effective deterrent? We have an ever growing opiod crisis here in the States, and the death penalty is still in full effect alot of places. Same with felonious murder; we see periodic spikes related to drug activity. Death penalty never went anywhere during that time.

Besides the moral implications of the death penalty, the amount of error in the legal system prevents me from thinking the death penalty is a sound option. Lock em up. Put them to work even, to repay that debt to society, in a more meaningful way than sitting in a cell. But to kill them, is the same murder society condemned.

I'm a 31 year old Christian of the Southern Baptist convention (I'm an evangelical). Read about half, me and the wife do a weekly Bible study intensively, but to her credit, she has finished the entire book. I myself find it fascinating, the depth of the symbolism is amazing, and speaks to an intelligence beyond my own. Allegories that persist in meaning even to this day! A marvelous piece of literature. And I like Stephen King, to give you a read on my preferred literature. Asimov too. And those Dresden books, delicious.

And I don't believe in organized religion. Now, that shit is pioson, if you do it wrong. It's why you think Christianity is wrong, LOL. You had a bad dish of it.

AMD whike you may have finished the Book (,I commend thus, I'm actively on my way), it's obvious to me you didn't understand it. You may want to embrace it a bit more yourself

Who said anything about Christian universities? Education should be secular.DeVos needs to sit the fuck down. Dont think all Christians have drank the evangelical cool aid. There are suh things as moderate Christians.

By alot of people, I mean Christians, period.

Don't look now, but some of us are pro choice too. The blasphemy.

... to you. I'm sorry you don't have the light of the Lord in your life, but, you don't seem to care, so meh. I'm not one of those proselytizing  Christians. You pick your own path

But, alot of people in the United States would disagree with you. Doesn't invalidate your choice, but something to think about.

These are just crazy heads, they fuck it up for every organization (read: Islamic terrorists, hyper conservative evangelicals, etc). I can't promise you, mop bashery is not part of the Good Book. But, it makes for a great clip.

The most extreme elements of an organization are usually the definition of said organization, to those with little knowledge of the true ideology of the organization. I see it on CNN and Fox, it's a fault of rhetoric.Its not partisan, I mean. Religions are full of rhetoric, same.principles apply. Jesus was the best rhetorician that has walked the Earth, it would be dishonest to deny this.

I have thought long and hard about this, as a Christian. Bitcoin would be the poster child for the one world.currency, but there are a few issues:

Adoption: the whole world will never accept bitcoin. Too late to influence its creation, and they cannot control inflation (can't influence rate of.currency issuance). Maybe something after bitcoin, could definitely be another crypto.

Wallet Permanancy: You can't tattoo, good bitcoin practice dictates you use new addresses liberally. RFID would be be feasible.if reprogrammable, but wouldn't seem smart to tie a current bitcoin address to a person, permanently and irrevocably. If someone gets the key, you are done for the rest of your life.

One world government: look at the news. I don't have to explain to you why we aren't there yet, and won't be for generations. We would need an external menace (aliens, zombies, etc) to.unite a fractured humanity in this manner.

Christian to.Christian, you can be cool ,bitcoin is.not the one world.currency. I checked /but do investigate, and share your findings. This is something that I consider from time to time (as the Bitcoin protocol evolves).

ROFL. "They" can eat a ballistic dick. I would concede your point except for the fact that 'their' leader is developing weapons in violation of international sanctions, and directly threatening our allies. I don't know what it take s for you to be proactive, but I like heading off nuclear conflict myself, before it starts. The threats to US and allied assets aren't warranted even if their is no nuclear proliferation on NKs part; we asked them to chill, and they demonstrated a distinct lack of chill, for the last 10 years or so. You obviously voted for Trump,  are you not of the same mind as our duly elected leader?  Trump is playing literal fucking battleship with a nuclear powered sub as I  type this, I think me and old 45 might be on the same page, for once. The threat to international security is too great, and Trumps onus to do something big bodes poorly for the situation.

And I'm a pacifist most of the time. But I don't believe in letting monsters grow to full size before you address the issue. State actors don't get to do this, especially being tres low on the totem pole of world affairs.

And I never said nuke. I said blow the fuck up. Noone should have nukes. Which is why I believe we should use overwhelming force to prevent this possibility for a unpredictable, non cooperative state actor that has shown the signs of being a dictator. No, his crazy ass should not have God's power, to unmake things. As I said, no civilians, just the launch infrastructure.

A fan! I'm flattered, and I'd blush, but I'm too fucking dark.

I made allusion to multiple sources..Which, of the many, has no credibility? I didn't think anyone here would be 'intellectually resistant' enough to doubt official reports from multiple government agencies, on the same topic, which have all reached the same conclusion. And not pussy ass agencies like the EPA, I'm talking letter agencies that can make you dissappear.

  So you are telling me the multiple reports by multiple agencies have no credibility, and are all based off of old evidence before the election? And if the aim is to see if they interfered in the election, would all the actions in question not have occurred before the election? So, they could, you know, influence it?

See, I don't believe in that deep state shit, at least as y'all do. Hell yes there are agencies that exist to supress public interest, secrecy is required for certain agencies to be able to do their jobs. They are no saints, however. But the idea of some monolithic shadow government controlled by intelligence agencies is some paranoid bullshit. That being the case, every branch of government would have its own version of 'the deep state' instead of just the enforcement arm. The 'deep state' is the military industry complex, it exists to make money and protect the state, in that order. They don't want to turn you gay with flouride, or whatever tin foil poppycock is being sold as news on Breitbart and InfoWars.  

And the hilarious thing is, why would the 'deep state' have an issue with Trump? His policies would lead to the civil unrest that Hillary, Obama and Soros want. Can't move to  a police state if everyone is happy, you need strife to make the policy changes necessary. Kinda like the shitshow 45 has brought to bear.

I used to be into conspiracy theories more than you, I promise you. Then, I woke up.

Wake up.

Edit: Had a few fingers of an AMAZING bourbon, came up with 'Obama, Hillary, Soros and the Jews will form Voltron and take over the planet, ushering in a reign of terror'.

The visual of Big O and H Dog forming the head (I don't know what the fuck Soros looks like, from conservative descriptions, he should.look like Emperor Palpatine, I think) is fucking hilarious to me at the moment.

This, is fucking genius. But, this should never be a public blockchain. The database of firearm ownership in place is essentially a ledger, the absolute certainty of a blockchain can only improve the efficiency. However, this will do little to prevent illegal hand to hand firearm sales, that aren't recorded. If a gun is stolen from a car, the blockchain is inaccurate until the new owner is identified. Essentially, illegal firearms tend to move illegally; unless there is an accurate black market blockchain, the guns are still floating around in space.

Heroin was a pain killer. Cocaine was as well, and a psychiatric tool, according io Freud. MDMA was a mood regulator made for the purposes of psychotherapy. And marijuana was used in patent medicine, as well as naturally, for pain relief. So, for the record, heroin, cocaine, and MDMA were pharmaceutical products, developed by doctors. You can even still get cocaine at pharmacies, I've heard. Just double checked, it's a topical.

Drugs aren't bad, m'kay?

There are people addicted to sex. Is sex a drug? Or porn for that matter? Are cellphones a drug? Most Americans spend multiple hours on a smart device.

So penicillin is evil? Drugs are substances; a substance can't really be good or evil. Remember that all banned illegal drugs that have existed for more than a century, are usually former medicines. There is a reason why they know to inact legislation on the first place. I don't think all drugs have a place in mainstream society, but it's too broad to put all drugs in an evil place.

Yezzir. Besides directly threatening us a day ago, they also threatened Australia. The rhetoric is getting pretty alarming. Given Trumps disposition so far, as far as responding to 'red lines', I am pretty sure we will engage in military action against NK.

They can't reach us, but I am genuinely concerned for Japan/SK.

Your source might be a bit biased

You think maybe they are suing him, because he said some bananas shit about their brand, they asked for a cease and desist, and he didn't respond? He's in the middle of his custody battle, and the facts aren't looking pretty for him as the car progresses (I don't think he wanted this to hit the public). They are kicking him while he is down, but, they did ask nicely.

Woops... That's not AlexZap responding, however. and yeah, I post news from time to time, it's best practice to at least summarize the article if you are going to text dump, but it's a free country.

Be careful with the alts, padawan.

Well, the rhetoric we have pushed concerning NK kinda leads to 'what are you going to do now"? We keep drawing red lines in order to have them stepped over with the testing time and time again. Obama was tres passive on this; the level of provocation  from NK was magnitudes lower. In the era of Trump, all these big words will require even more bigly action