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941  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: What do you think about Dogecoin? on: November 11, 2014, 09:38:07 AM
Hard to say whether Doge is actually popular anymore.  Doge Reddit is kind of slow these days.  It could just be the whales and big bots trading back and forth which is keeping Shibe alive.  Shibe is on lifesupport?  If somebody accidentally trips over the plug then maybe Shibe will go.   Cheesy
942  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Bear market to continue another 12 months on: November 11, 2014, 09:16:50 AM
The alt-coin market is pretty dead. Primarily the volatility of Bitcoin/Altcoins don't make them very attractive for very many use cases.

BitAssets change that. You can now store the value of a dollar/gold in a completely decentralised way and earn interest. This changes everything for merchants, people living in high inflation countries, savers, remittances etc. http://whatisbitusd.com/

If anything will change the world in the next year it will be BitShares or some derivation of it, because of BitAssets. (Add more countries moving to negative interest and/or deposit confiscations then even more so.)


Nobody would want BitAssets or BitUSD if BitsharesX itself isn't doing too great.   There's really no reason for my to exchange my real dollars for fake dollars on BitsharesX, unless it is to trade for BTSx if the price goes lower but if everybody regards BTSx as a write off ("won't go anywhere") then nobody is going to put their dollars or assets on it.


There is already something with currency support called Ripple and technically Ripple would hold out better than BTC and BTSx in these bear porn scenarios as Ripple has established utility as a payment processor.  Still Ripple itself is pretty tiny in that payment processor industry when we consider PayPal and the probable hundreds of other competitors.


943  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: NEM Official Thread - Beta is here/Phase 2 Redemption begins[Updates&Discussion] on: November 10, 2014, 09:01:07 PM
Screw it lets make it INFIN8TE lolz

A lot of this is consumption for people.  A good example during the Great Depression was Huey Long who had that song about every man being a King, every woman a Queen and you can be a millionaire too.  He was later shot.   Grin  


http://youtu.be/jlP9x-5pwsM?t=34s


Do you know your on a committee on the forum regarding working out the number for launch?

That thread is looking for analytical and some empirical information, less on the rhetorical.
I think Jabo38 did a good job in establishing the scale of international money which is in the hundreds of $trillions already.  

I think further research would try to look at the tipping within Doge back in 2013, to see if millions of coins being given out to each person (we'ld have to look at archived posts of Doge) was really a factor in user base expansion.  Then we possibly have to learn more about Bytecoin (which has a supply of 180 billion) and see what happened there with its' capitalization.


944  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: NEM Official Thread - Beta is here/Phase 2 Redemption begins[Updates&Discussion] on: November 10, 2014, 08:48:48 PM
A supply in the billions was once controversial until it was popularized by Doge, NXT and Ripple.  Now many coins come out with a supply in the billions.   It could very well be the case that a supply in the trillions will work better but we don't know as nobody has taken the initiative to try it.  

I think from an international perspective the international monetary supply is around $20 trillion and then derivative, assets and other things do add up to $500 trillion to $1 quadrillion.  So having a NEM supply at 800 - 888 trillion does fit that global scale.


I think it would also work better for tipping.   Doge used to get a lot of interest as people were tipping each other millions of coins but nobody does this anymore because 1 million Doge = $200+ and you aren't going to tip a stranger $200 bucks+.  People don't get as excited over a free 10,000 coins anymore.   This change would mean each stake would get around 250 billion NEM each and that is a lot of tipping millions.  It is a psychological thing but many people like the sound of millions and billions.



I don't think the motivation from anybody here is to cause a riot or a meltdown.  I think we have to remember we are still in the innovation phase.  The user base of this digital currency technology is only 500K-2M people when the internet in 1989 had up to 3 million.  We should always be trying to take every unprecedented initiative we can with the hopes of introducing this technology to more people.  One form of that, I guess, could be "much NEM much wow" where new users are lured in by receiving millions of coins.


Bringing DOGE into this conversation quite frankly, frightens the hell out of me.

Oh wait, bringing NXT and Ripple into this conversation also scares the hell out of me.

Yes Ripple is like the Emperor Palpatine of Crypto Currencies, somebody must shoot a torpedo into that exhaust port.   Wink
945  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: NEM Official Thread - Beta is here/Phase 2 Redemption begins[Updates&Discussion] on: November 10, 2014, 08:12:30 PM
Screw it lets make it INFIN8TE lolz

A lot of this is consumption for people.  A good example during the Great Depression was Huey Long who had that song about every man being a King, every woman a Queen and you can be a millionaire too.  He was later shot.   Grin  


http://youtu.be/jlP9x-5pwsM?t=34s

946  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: NEM Official Thread - Beta is here/Phase 2 Redemption begins[Updates&Discussion] on: November 10, 2014, 07:22:32 PM
A supply in the billions was once controversial until it was popularized by Doge, NXT and Ripple.  Now many coins come out with a supply in the billions.   It could very well be the case that a supply in the trillions will work better but we don't know as nobody has taken the initiative to try it.  

I think from an international perspective the international monetary supply is around $20 trillion and then derivative, assets and other things do add up to $500 trillion to $1 quadrillion.  So having a NEM supply at 800 - 888 trillion does fit that global scale.


I think it would also work better for tipping.   Doge used to get a lot of interest as people were tipping each other millions of coins but nobody does this anymore because 1 million Doge = $200+ and you aren't going to tip a stranger $200 bucks+.  People don't get as excited over a free 10,000 coins anymore.   This change would mean each stake would get around 250 billion NEM each and that is a lot of tipping millions.  It is a psychological thing but many people like the sound of millions and billions.



I don't think the motivation from anybody here is to cause a riot or a meltdown.  I think we have to remember we are still in the innovation phase.  The user base of this digital currency technology is only 500K-2M people when the internet in 1989 had up to 3 million.  We should always be trying to take every unprecedented initiative we can with the hopes of introducing this technology to more people.  One form of that, I guess, could be "much NEM much wow" where new users are lured in by receiving millions of coins.
947  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Arrested for feeding homeless people on: November 10, 2014, 08:37:38 AM
It is quite disturbing the contempt some people here have for the homeless.  

Nobody in a rich society should have to sleep on a cold pavement or go hungry.  Food and shelter are things you can provide to people, if you removed the middle men bureaucrats through a basic income, for probably $800 per adult and indexed to inflation.
 

The recent bailout in the US is said to be between $16-$30 trillion.  Why is it ok for corporations to get corporate welfare but it is bad when people get welfare?   $30 trillion is such that you could fund 100 million people on a basic income for 30 years.  While that $30 trillion in the bail out has gone to CEO bonuses, art collections and yachts.
948  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Why Litecoin Cannot Be Bitcoin's Silver on: November 10, 2014, 06:04:43 AM
Yeah that article been circulating on Reddit.

I don't think they understand that you can't FUD Litecoin in english language as most Litecoin users are people in China who don't even read Bitcointalk or english-speaking Reddit.
949  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] SuperNET asset 12071612744977229797, trading symbol UNITY on: November 10, 2014, 02:30:12 AM
Why SuperNet fall down from ipo price of $5

Are we all church of hodl?

BTC and NXT price of this asset is up.

What do you expect? That this asset will outperform NXT, BTC AND USD?

I guess, BTC and NXT used to be worth more right?
I guess church of Hodl has staved off a revolt for another day.   Cheesy
950  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] SuperNET asset 12071612744977229797, trading symbol UNITY on: November 10, 2014, 12:52:46 AM
Why SuperNet fall down from ipo price of $5

Are we all church of hodl?
951  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Uncensored - what was Rpietila doing before Monero?! on: November 09, 2014, 11:02:42 PM
http://youtu.be/0gJYDZUOiD0?t=1m8s

Even the logo on the clothing looks like Monero.   Shocked




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I am currently detained in a psychiatric institution in Helsinki, because I need rest. My physical well-being is taken care of.
952  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Arrested for feeding homeless people on: November 09, 2014, 10:11:47 PM
How do you know these people cannot survive on their own?  What if they are just lazy, like dank?  If a city has provided services to a person for a couple years and they are able to work but unwilling, why should the city keep paying for those services?

I agree 100%. If you continue to feed the homeless then they will have no incentive to improve their lives and get a job, ect.  [...]

I find this kind of myopia amazing; it's kind of like the "it's your fault that you're poor", even if you work several jobs and still barely make enough to feed your family.

I wonder if you would hold on to those views if you were to become homeless one day - or do you think it can't possibly happen to you?
Well it is generally a person's fault because they live in poverty. Even when they work "several" jobs they are all low/no skill jobs which they are generally overpaid to work.

There are also a ridiculous number of social programs that will give the "poor" free food and money for nothing in order to help them "pay for things"

This sort of contempt is why the middle class is disappearing.  I know a lot of good middle class jobs that were made redundant after 2000, the corporation changed the title and tried to pass it off as 'unskilled labor'.  

953  Other / Politics & Society / First gay marriage in Russia on: November 09, 2014, 08:17:29 PM



Russian newspaper reports first gay marriage in Russia.

http://www.gazeta.spb.ru/1758729-0/
954  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Bear market to continue another 12 months on: November 08, 2014, 11:31:47 PM
I think the dweebs are waiting to see if November 2013 will repeat in 2014.  I think that explains a lot of the holding action since March 2014.  If there is no boom in November / December 2014 then a lot of those holders, who were praying for a rebound for months, are going to cash out for $Fiat (cutting their losses after buying at $600-$1200) or convert into champion alternates


They've been informed but refused to believe it - November 2013 was all Willy Bot (MtGox using fractional reserves) and the Chinese racing in before they were cut off by their banks.

So the likelihood of another boom happen in November / December is virtually zilch.  Maybe the next boom will come with halving rewards or when Winky's ETF is passed through but I'm not really counting on it.


BTC's November boom did two things:  woke up a lot of hiberating whales (who are still dumping) and then created this professional mining class where they mine $2 million a day and have to dump 80% to pay for their electrical and hardware upgrades.  

It seems like for Bitcoin to go anywhere in price then they have to "bribe" all these whales (buy them out) but the miners cannot be bought out and are milking the system.
955  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: *** Beyond Bitcoin Mumble Hangout ** Bitshares and their new marketing strat.*** on: November 08, 2014, 10:35:42 PM
Bitshares is not a crypto currency but a centralized bank.

#3 Crypto is Doge / NXT tied
956  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: NEM Official Thread - Beta is here/Phase 2 Redemption begins[Updates&Discussion] on: November 08, 2014, 09:19:27 PM
jkoil, you are not making any sense at all.
Just like the other disgruntled user, you accuse of fud, while you dont even understand half of the conversation.

Of course it is easy to make such a change, noone denied such a thing.

A whole lot of users are not accepting THE REASONING behind the change.
And since (the last month?) only 30-35 accounts agreed with it.

Dismissing the rest and saying that they (the 35) have more say than the 3000+ is utter nonsense and you seem to be defending them.

So tell me, wise jkoil, you who asked a month ago, and know so much of the distribution process,
DO YOU have a reasonable argument as to why make such a change, except for the extra coins you will receive?
(the groupthink is strong with this one, i said it before_i say it again)

While I agree that we shouldn't double the supply I do not agree with your reasoning.
A very small part of the stakehodlers agreed to the change that is correct. However all of them had the chance to vote and the ones that don't bother to vote are people who shouldn't be considered. The majority of people who give a flying fart about that topic are in favor of that change. We may have thousands of stakeholders but the community is a lot smaller than that so you can't reason that not all of the thousands of people voted and so the result is dismissable.

I'd actually like to bring the idea of a very minor inflation of below 1% payed out as block rewards back on the table.
Why is that such a bad thing ? Inflation is being portraied as pure evil but a very minor inflation can be a good thing especially if it's used to strengthen the network.
it depends on the source of inflation and where/who the New coins go to.

If you mean rewarding nodes that are securing the network and using sock stakes for this that is an exceptional idea and I'm 100% for that.,

If you mean just a bot making transactions with x nem as a fee in each block then I don't see the issue here eitwe as long as it isn't an over the top reward. It would have to be a trivial amount. 1% per year is trivial when considering that many nations have 3-5/6% inflation, possibly more. And bitcoin having a vastly 10%. Inflation under the correct circumstances is very healthy for the economyname does promotw

Using sock stakes for that wouldn't mean any inflation as those coins already exist at nemesis.
What I'm talking about is using an inflation of <1% per year for paying people that are running nodes.
Not even as block rewards but as node rewards. So even people with a very very small importance have an incentive to run a node. At some random time some random node will get a reward if he's harvesting. No matter what his importance. All that matter is that he is harvesting at that time. Since nobody knows the time you can't just turn on your node at "reward time" to join the pool.

Of course there are prob some kinks that need ironing out but imho this wouldn't be a bad idea.

This a really amazing idea to me.  I figured out that if there are 4 billion coins that 0.1% inflation per year could go as a node reward no problem, possibly even more.  I think nobody can really get upset about a tenth of a percent of inflation.  The plus side is that would be just a little over 10,000 NEM a day.    If the amount of coins is 8 billion, then that number goes up to 20,000 NEM a day.  This actually is a kind of nice amount of NEM.

I think the best way is that once a day, always at a random time that nobody can know, a network sweep is done for nodes and that 10,000-20,000 NEM is divided equally between all nodes, rich or poor, all alike would get a reward. I could even easily double those numbers and not even think twice about it.  This could also dramatically cut down on the whole "faucet" thing.  Instead of people going to some website and going through silly motions or putting a silly signature on their profile, they can just leave a very lightweight client running in the background and get free coins.  

For instance, I once checked into NXT and found out they usually have less that 200 hallmarked nodes at any time (hallmarked nodes are the ones your really need because while anybody can forge, only hallmarked nodes support the network).  One reason for that is that in NXT making a hallmarked node is very difficult and only really for the more advanced techies.  But in NEM getting the node to be hallmarked is like 10 times easier (still took me a bit to figure out and took many tries, some clear guides with pictures and steps on how to open ports on different popular firewalls and routers would go a long way to making it much easier).  It would be sooooooooo awesome to say that NEM on week one had more nodes up and going than NXT.  And what would the cost be? Very very little in the way of inflation.  

If I had to give it a name, I would call it proof-of-support.  

I can tell you right now for a fact 100%, that if I could have gotten 20-100 NXT a day just for leaving a client going, I would have had it running in the background of my computer all the time, anytime I had the computer on.  I also would have been much, much, much, more active in their community.  After a long time in NXT, I forged three blocks, all for 0 fees.  Made me so frustrated I turned it off and started looking at their forum far less.  How many more people were like me?  NXT's system is set up in a way where the rich just get richer.  We have a chance do do something about that here and give regular people a chance to become something too, especially if they are in on NEM early.  

One of my majors in university was Psychology.  It has been proven time and time again, if you get people to do a little something for you, they are more invested in you and will do a big something later on.  This is one of the oldest tricks of manipulators around the world.  New religious movements do it constantly.  Those people that come knocking on your door trying to convert you, the church doesn't send them out to your house for your salvation.  The church sends them out to your house to solidify the faith of the person knocking.  That is why there are always two, an established church member and a newbie.  The newbie by knocking on the doors becomes soooo invested in the church that they are much much more likely to give the church money later.  

The Mormoms famously send out all their young for two years to proselytize.  After this intense experience, they are much more likely to not ever leave the church but instead more likely to donate money to it.  It is one of the richest churches in the world because of this despite being so small (I have another degree in world religions).

My point is, if we can get people running NEM in the background, they will be much more likely to follow our posts, join the community, and even contribute more.  A very small inflation of less than one percent given to people that support NEM would actually make NEM much more valuable, not less valuable.  

I support this idea 100%.

Let's be careful with the word inflation. People hate inflation for good reasons. Inflation is the hidden way for governments to tax the people. So depending on you view about tax, it is good or bad. If the collected tax is for the benefit of society you might call it good. If it is collected by a corrupt political elite well you know the answer...

But inflation is not a normal tax. It is the expansion of the money supply. And in the present day world the expansion of the money supply is not primarily done by the state but by commercial banks who are also the beneficiaries of this system of money creation.

And 1% inflation is exponential growth. It means the amount of NEM coins will double in 70 years to NEM 16 billion and NEM 32 billion in 140 years.

But i like the idea of proof-of-support


Fidor bank is launching a crypto bank.  We know more fractional reserve is coming to crypto currencies.

Fractional reserves in the exchanges and upcoming payment processors and then crypto banks.  We don't need to compound this inflation with any hardcoded inflation.


Makoto already proposed NODE funding.  150 million NEM could someday be $150 million, $1.5 billion, et al.

957  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: NEM Official Thread - Beta is here/Phase 2 Redemption begins[Updates&Discussion] on: November 08, 2014, 08:19:10 PM
@jabo very well said sir. I don't see how anyone would disagree to that. It's brilliant.

I'm just wondering what kind of time/effort would be required to do this?

I am just an idea kind of guy.  I think the devs would have to speak to the time/effort to make this happen. 

My guess is that it would be difficult but possible. 



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Digital currencies already have a lot of inflation from the exchanges creating fake coins.  Then velocity is unpredictable as formally dormant & hibernating whales come out of nowhere to dump their BTC and other coins.

You do know that 0.1% means 10%, correct?  Nobody is going to touch NEM if that were the case and I will tell you why.  There's already several 10% to 25% PoS coins and they often do worse than their lower interest or low-rate PoW counterparts.


People don't even want 1% inflation in cryptos.  Have to realize a lot of people coming into digital currencies are investors with diversified holdings or people working on their retirement portfolio.  In a nutshell, for that demographic, you have to make digital currencies look more attractive than bonds and investment plans at institutions like Vanguard.


958  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / To re-evaluate a crypto currency: Qora coin on: November 08, 2014, 02:49:50 AM
Immediate disclaimer:  I do not own any Qora.


Qora has been proven to be independent code.  Is it possible this coin can be revived?  Or is this destined to die as a $hitcoin?


Disclaimer to moderator:  This isn't a promotion thread but TaunSew asking if Qora has a future or if Qora is a $hitcoin
959  Other / Off-topic / Re: In response to Spoetnik's GET OUT thread on: November 08, 2014, 02:43:22 AM
If this was the playground you'ld be eating dirt Spoetnik.

You're lucky Evil Dave lives in Europe or he would do all sorts of sick Eurotrash chyieet to you.


I don't know about this.
These Canadians, they sometimes hide an axe or two under their layers of coats - in case the temp dropped below freezing again.
And those Frenchies, well, some of them will run from a fight faster than they screw (sorry Dave!  Grin)

Either way...




Somehow I imagine Evil Dave is working in Amsterdam as a tattoo artist.  Is this any basis in reality?
960  Other / Off-topic / Re: In response to Spoetnik's GET OUT thread on: November 07, 2014, 11:07:03 PM
If this was the playground you'ld be eating dirt Spoetnik.

You're lucky Evil Dave lives in Europe or he would do all sorts of sick Eurotrash chyieet to you.
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