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1021  Local / Presse / Re: [2014-03-06] Golem: Bitcoin-Protokoll künftig über Tor on: March 07, 2014, 11:21:49 AM
Ja toll,

gibt es diesen Java-Schrott wenigstens Open Source?  Undecided
Das ist die erste mir bekannte komplette Implementierung eines lite-Clients, und ja, die ist seit Jahren freie Software.
Artikel lesen hilft...
1022  Economy / Exchanges / Re: [OFFICIAL]Bitfinex.com first Bitcoin P2P lending platform for leverage trading on: March 06, 2014, 05:38:19 PM
So .. let's say that
I short 50 LTC at $18..
This means you SOLD 50 LTC. To close the position, you need to BUY 50 LTC again, e.g. at 17 USD per piece.
1023  Local / Off-Topic (Deutsch) / Re: heyhey, lukrativer Nebenverdienst, easy going on: March 05, 2014, 10:50:10 PM
eine dieser polnischen VISA's besorgen und dorthin überweisen lassen Grin
Ich dachte in diesem Forum hier gibt man eher das Konto einer Bitcoin-Exchangeseite an? Gleich mal beim Kraken Support anfragen... Tongue
1024  Local / Projektentwicklung / Re: Exchange Api Bridge on: March 05, 2014, 10:41:32 PM
Hm, selbst geschrieben oder verwendest du sowas wie https://github.com/ReAzem/cryptocoin-tradelib oder https://github.com/timmolter/XChange ? Beide können übrigens ca. das, was der Threadersteller will.

Ich sehe da keinen Hinweis darauf, dass was auch immer in deinem Screenshot zu sehen ist, Daten in einem allgemein bekannten Format ausspuckt - wo genau ist da der Code dafür zu finden?
1025  Local / Projektentwicklung / Re: Exchange Api Bridge on: March 05, 2014, 02:01:17 PM
Gute Idee, es gibt eine Handvoll offener Standards, mit denen man Marktdaten abfragen und darstellen kann, wie z.B. FIX, OpenMAMDA, DTC...

Du bräuchtest dann eben einen entweder lokalen oder Webserver der die Daten von verschiedenen Exchanges entgegennimmt und die dann im jeweiligen Standard ausgeben kann.
1026  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [PRE-ANN][IPO][RADIX][based on Ripple]First stage 40% of coins to be distributed on: March 05, 2014, 10:52:45 AM
Anyone who want to invest NEED know:
1, you can launch your own "money" on ripple with 0 cost.
2, this ipo is just a trap selling the hotair to noobs via IPO.
He plans to fork Ripple though, meaning his "money" would be replacing XRP in that system. Still there are a lot of unanswered questions and also quite a few irregularities (just look at the "team" that supposedly develops this or the fake info regarding facebook and twitter pages in the OP) - enough for me to congratulate the OP to have scammed someone for 0.09 BTC but as I said a bit too little to be even worth the time of setting up the page and writing the post.
1027  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: BANK RUN! - P2P Fiat-Bitcoin Exchange on: March 05, 2014, 10:49:00 AM
The escrows are used for a 2of3 multisig and have nothing to do with gateways. In case of dispute they decide who will get the funds. SSL-log will be used for secure proof of the bank tx.

You may see the exchange itself as a gateway, as all exchanges might be Ripple gateways, or in other words a Ripple gateway is nothing else then an exchange (but of course something special like "gateway" sells better).
See: https://ripple.com/guide-to-ripple-gateways
Bitstamp, Justcoin, therocktrading, all are classical exchanges.
It is not in our projects intentions to build something which is dependent on centralized structures/companies.
So be assured that we are not going to re-invent Ripple.
A Ripple gateway only holds funds safe, takes deposits and withdrawals in whatever they have for safekeeping and issue/redeem balance on Ripple for these things (USD, EUR, Gold...). To me this sounds more like an escrower than an exchange (there is no trading going on in a gateway at all besides maybe currency conversion by the banks if you deposit USD to a EUR account).

Using SSL logs might sound nice in theory, this still does not change the fact that people can claim that this log was taken by someone else, the bank will believe them and reverse the payment and/or freeze the receiving account for fraudulent activity. Besides that I hope you will have a hard time convincing people to record their online banking session to be decrypted later by someone on the internet... though maybe people really are that gullible?

BTW: You should write I THINK "it was fundamentally broken". It is ONLY YOUR OPINION and you have proven in previous posts that you don't have valid arguments for your strong opinions, so I would appreciate a less arrogant style.
I warned about blackmail which you disregarded until someone posted the same argument with different wording and you accepted it... This is not the first time that someone wants to establish this kind of scheme for an exchange, so I might have been too short-worded because it gets tiring to read about this every few months.
1028  Economy / Exchanges / Re: [OFFICIAL]Bitfinex.com first Bitcoin P2P lending platform for leverage trading on: March 05, 2014, 10:38:07 AM
Why are the referral data unavailable for last 30 days?
If I look at the amount of data it spammed into my ledger I guess calculating this is relatively expensive.

If you need that kind of data, use the Javascript snipped posted earlier to export your data in JSON, then convert this using my python script into ledger-cli format and you'll have a nice overview who earned you how much. The only issue then is to find out which user name belongs to which user ID.

Where can I find the referal URL in my account? I hear many people talking about it but can't find it..
https://www.bitfinex.com/representatives

You need to manually apply to get this enabled though.
1029  Economy / Exchanges / Re: [OFFICIAL]Bitfinex.com first Bitcoin P2P lending platform for leverage trading on: March 04, 2014, 08:47:44 PM
Well, it's a bit hard to say (since the "BTC traded" number also includes trades in LTCBTC markets as well as maybe(?) Bitstamp trades).
It is quite likely though, that a very nice chunk of trades on Bitstamp is done by Bitfinex, yes.

@BFX: Kraken is gaining momentum slowly by the way (though mostly in EUR, not USD) - please re-consider adding them as alternative to Bitstamp and start trading a little bit there too!
1030  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [PRE-ANN][IPO][RADIX][based on Ripple]First stage 40% of coins to be distributed on: March 04, 2014, 08:21:09 PM
Why didn't you announce this in some Ripple related forums too but only here on Bitcointalk?

Will you just patch rippled and ripple-client and do you have plans to contribute to upstream development?

Who validates your initial ledgers?

Anyways, it sounds interesting but I don't really see any substantial benefit over Ripple, who already have more than a dozen gateways worldwide. Distribution of the native asset (RDX) is not really an issue for most users anyways, as long as it is that much cheaper to simply buy the ones that you will use in your lifetime. Riple based solutions are actually quite bad as "Altcoins", since they are heavily tilted towards the "distributed marketplace" idea.

Still, all the best and please FIRST show some code before starting an "IPO". I did not find any mention of your fork on github, also none of your "independent developer group" so far has contributed _anything_ to rippled or ripple-client at least, even though there are some very low hanging fruits that you could have helped out with while creating your fork...

Nope, you didn't. You simply paid 0.0001 BTC as fee and sent the rest to yourself.

Also neither the link to facebook nor the one to twitter from your OP leads to anything that even remotely resembles your "idea":


3/10, at least he put up a page and wrote a bit of nonsense as well as creating an empty forum + wiki! I've seen much better scams though.
1031  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: CoinMarketCap.com - Market Cap Rankings of All Cryptocurrencies! on: March 04, 2014, 08:06:44 PM
The calculation is fine. People buying premined currency already calculated this risk into the price of the coin. Thus the calculation is good.

Considering your close association with Auroracoin I can understand why you may feel this way.

The fact remain that 99% of the coins comprising Auroracoin's current "market cap" are in the premine and do not circulate. Should Bitcoins that have not yet been mined be included in BTC's market cap?  Wink Cryptocurrencies aren't companies and coins held in an uncirculating premine are not issued shares. It might be worth making some adjustments in how market cap is calculated.

coinmarketcap.com loses much of its utility if market cap can be gamed by coins with a large uncirculating premine. Auroracoin is just the first coin of this type. Considering it's success, a wave of clones will come next.

Same shit for Ripple and his $1.5B market cap...
Ripple = decentralized exchange, XRP = centrally issued virtual asset/"math based currency" on Ripple. I guess you talk about the latter.

At least for Ripple I know that there could be a security breach at any moment at RippleLabs leading to a sale of all XRP they own. The only thing that pervents this is their security measures and their promise to distribute XRP fairly over time. This is not a part of the Ripple software, but something external to the network itself.

I don't know about Auroracoins, they too might already be stored on an address that is currently in escrow somewhere. As long as they have been created and could theoretically be moved, if the escrower(s) prooves to be dishonest this means they already exist, unlike e.g. the 20 millionth Bitcoin which has not yet been mined and even with huge efforts will not be mined (and thus made theoretically transferrable) for a very long time.
If they have not yet been created, I would remove them from the market cap. If they can be created easily by someone or already have been and are just depending on somebody to fulfil a promise and keep a private key secret, then they should be included, just like Bitcoins that have been mined but never moved are also included.
1032  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: BANK RUN! - P2P Fiat-Bitcoin Exchange on: March 04, 2014, 07:58:01 PM
At the moment we try to design it with escrows, which will solve a lot of the problems.

Call your escrowers "gateways" and you are re-inventing Ripple again. Wink
I liked the game theoretical approach, even though it was fundamentally broken... :/

If you want a decentralized order book where you trade with escrowed funds, I'd really recommend looking at Ripple (you can fork it if you don't want to spend one USD to get XRP, but then you miss out on the existing infrastructure). If your idea is fundamentally different, please elaborate.

I just fear that you might be slowly re-inventing and re-implementing already existing technology.
1033  Local / Anfänger und Hilfe / Re: Ladedauer der BitcoinsDatenbank on: March 04, 2014, 05:38:04 PM
Jein, in 5 Jahren wirst du zwar auch einiges an Daten laden müssen, es ist jedoch anzunehmen, dass das dann schon etwas schneller gehen wird. Oft dauert die Verifizierung der Transaktionen in den Blöcken länger, als den Block selbst zu empfangen.

Es gibt auch schon Ansätze, Blöcke zugleich statt hintereinander zu laden, das wird aber vermutlich erst in Bitcoin-QT 0.10 oder später eingebaut. Damit sollte es dann noch schneller gehen.
1034  Local / Altcoins (Deutsch) / Re: Gridcoin - Erster Coin mit BOINC Unterstützung on: March 04, 2014, 05:18:47 PM
Mal ein kurzer Zwischenstand:

Gridcoin: ~8 Millionen Credits/Tag, hauptsächlich Milkyway @ home zur Gravitationssimulation (http://boincstats.com/en/stats/-1/team/detail/118094994/projectList)
Computingforgood.org (Ripple Labs giveaway): ~71 Millionen Credits/Tag, quasi rein WCG mit versch. Projekten hauptsächlich im Gesundheitsbereich (http://boincstats.com/en/stats/-1/team/detail/118946826/projectList)

Auch wenn Gridcoin weit hinten nachhinkt (und auch einfachere Projekte verwendet, WCG gibt weniger Credits bei gleicher Rechenleistung) ist es trotzdem beachtlich, wie viel Rechenleistung da auf einmal aus dem Nichts auftauchen kann. Smiley

Spannend wäre es ja auch noch, Gridcoins auf Ripple zu handeln, dann könnte man die recht einfach in BTC, USD etc. tauschen.
1035  Economy / Exchanges / Re: [OFFICIAL]Bitfinex.com first Bitcoin P2P lending platform for leverage trading on: March 04, 2014, 04:54:14 PM
What about Bitfinex. Do they report accounts etc etc to ones tax authority?
Maybe if asked about it? They have no real idea which country I even live in, so they could either submit my data to _every_ tax authority on the planet and waste ressources for this or just deal with it like anyone else and have me submit my tax report on my own.

However it would definitely be much easier, if I were FINALLY able to get a full report about what happens on my account in CSV or any other format than a freakin' HTML table that does not even contain year numbers!
Manually doing this is no longer an option since I receive referral payments... For reference, my USD ledger is now close to 200 pages long.

Edit:
Congratulations on getting listed on http://bitcoincharts.com/markets/ finally by the way! Smiley
1036  Local / Suche / Re: Suche Option zum BTC Kauf on: March 04, 2014, 04:06:00 PM
Ich könnte mir sowas vorstellen. Im Juni läuft bei mir ein Jahr Haltefrist ab. Bis dahin liegen die Coins eh nur rum.

Der Preis müsste halt lukrativ sein. Bei 70€ für 10BTC zu 700€ ist das ganze nicht Interessant. sind ja nur 7€ pro Coin.
Du bekämst dann ja insgesamt 707€ pro BTC oder eben 70€ Zinsen.

Allerdings schlägt candoo hier keine europäischen sondern amerikanische Optionen vor, sprich, er könnte jederzeit die Coins kaufen - nicht erst am Fristende.

Problematischer (neben rechtlichen Sachen) sehe ich eher die Geschichte mit Fiatüberweisungen. Gerade falls ich z.B. europäische Optionen anbieten würde (z.B. am 1.6. entscheidest du dich ob du 10 BTC um 7k EUR kaufst) würde ich da sehr misstrauisch sein, wenn ich wirklich 7000€ überwiesen bekomme. Könnte ja sein, dass das nicht mal vom Konto meines Vertragspartners stammt sondern wie so oft z.B. Bezahlung für einen extrem günstigen Mercedes aus einer gefälschten Kleinanzeige auf meinen Namen ist... danach Konto eingefroren, Probleme mit der Polizei, Bitcoins weg...

Bei Escrow würde ich persönlich z.B. rein auf Ripple setzen und mir z.B: BitstampEuro senden lassen. Alternativ kann man ja auch vielleicht jemanden hier finden, der dann eben sowohl BTC als auch EUR verwaltet. Nur BTC wäre mir für sowas Vorhersehbares und Vorbereitbares echt zu wenig.
1037  Local / Deutsch (German) / Re: Coin Validation, Black-,White-,Redlisting! Gehts noch? on: March 04, 2014, 01:15:56 PM
Was möglich ist, wird gemacht. Bitcoins sind 100% nachverfolgbar und auch wenn du persönlich sowas nicht nutzt, kommt es eben nur darauf an, wie viele % von Leuten mit denen du interagieren willst das nutzen.

Bitcoins sind 100% nachverfolgbar ... wie bekomme ich es denn raus, das angebotene Coins aus den 850K stammen, die MtGox verlustig gegangen sind? Da habe ich ja gar keinen Bock drauf, den Dieben dann die Konterbande für heuer abzukaufen.
Abgesehen davon, dass vielleicht gar nicht so viel verloren wurde brauchst du eigentlich nur die  Transaktionen, die du verfolgen willst und einen colored coin client.
1038  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: CoinMarketCap.com - Market Cap Rankings of All Cryptocurrencies! on: March 04, 2014, 02:32:13 AM
It might be worth re-evaluating how you calculate market cap when a coin has a large uncirculating premine.
Circulating or not, I think the criteria should be: Would it be possible in any way (this includes someone getting hacked + loosing control over private keys!) under the current rule set to transfer coins to others?
1039  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Bitcoin affiliate programs on: March 04, 2014, 02:05:44 AM
Bitfinex (https://www.bitfinex.com/representatives), people referred get smaller fees for 30 days, referers get a portion of the trading fees their leads generate.

Tracking via Refcode on signup.
1040  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Should we start New Bitcoin? on: March 03, 2014, 09:10:35 PM
IMO ripple got the best prospects to replace old bitcoin, IF they make it 100% open source.
There are no closed source and no non-free software parts about Ripple since September 2013.

I don't think it would be in any position to replace Bitcoin though, it is far more of a threat to BitPay than to Bitcoin.
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