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9521  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: {Beware}: Google accused of giving personal data to advertisers on: September 06, 2019, 10:31:39 AM
I just wish that DuckDuckGo and Gmail alternatives like Protonmail and Tutanota would step their game up. Gmail is still miles ahead of the privacy-focused email clients in terms of UI and UX.

I don't agree with this on proton mail.
I am a proton mail user for years, and their service is better than Google mail. Gmail ads are becoming annoying to me, also

They are now going to launch their calendar. When that calendar is done, and if it is good and easy to use (with some automatic update like trips ) there will be no reason to keep using gmail., Imo.

The only problem is that their service is expensive. Very expensive.

Additionally, their UI is amazing, their Android app is nice and clean.

Proton mail also allows you to use an email like bitmover@pm.me for free, which is very cool.

About duckduckgo, unfortunately, it is a shitty search engine. Can't find anything there.
Maybe some customization is necessary in a search engine, such as location based results... I don't know why, but ddg is useless to me.

9522  Bitcoin / Hardware wallets / Re: ERC-20 tokens are now supported on Ledger Live on: September 05, 2019, 07:49:06 PM
Oh good. I still can't control my UTXOs, or see my individual coins properly, or see all of my addresses, or use RBF, or even sign a message from one of my addresses, but at least now I can see a thousands shitcoins on my homepage. Roll Eyes

Don't get me wrong, I really like my Ledger device, but Ledger Live is so so far behind Electrum that there is no good reason to use it for bitcoin ever. Great news for people who own a bunch of useless tokens though, I guess.
Lol I agree with you.
But electrum is supported by ledger nano, so if you want to use Bitcoin there is no reason to use ledger live at all.

On the other hand, there are some erc20 tokens which are somehow interesting, such as BAT or LINK , and we had to use third party services to access those coins (which are not as reliable as Electrum).

Which exploits specifically are you referring to ?
https://bitcoinist.com/myetherwallet-users-lose-funds-to-dns-hack/

This DNS hack is an example. I know it is not something that risky for advanced users, but I hate to have to access my tokens via a web browser full of those kind of exploits.

The connection with those services were always problematic also. Sometimes myetherwallet just didn't work, and I had to use mycrypto .
9523  Bitcoin / Hardware wallets / Re: ERC-20 tokens are now supported on Ledger Live on: September 05, 2019, 04:49:47 PM
This is great news. I hated to use MyCrypto and MyEtherWallet, because those websites have lots os possible exploits and bugs.

I would like also to see the possibility to sign messages using Ethereum address as well, this way I would never use those third party services again.
9524  Bitcoin / Hardware wallets / Re: Ledger Nano X - Withdrawal to from e.g. Nicehash Wallet - Enter valid BTC addres on: September 05, 2019, 10:22:53 AM
Segwit addresses which starts with 3 are fully compatible with any old software, so it should work. Do not try native segwit (bch...) Because it may not work with those exchanges.
What you're calling "native segwit" is bech32. I doubt it would have a bch prefix however.
Are you sure you aren't mixing things up with the cashaddress standard? Arguably, cashaddress borrows a few things from bech32, so it might be easy to mix up the two.

His software, ledger live, is calling those bech32 addresses native segwit, I am just using the same name as his software does.




Bitmover:
Hey there,
"...Do not try native segwit (bch...) Because it may not work with those exchanges.."
This was exactly what I did. As it was the default option. I don't care if I have to pay a $ or two to transfer, I just want it to work. And those dollars, aren't they supporting our community somehow? Wink So , having set the Ledger Nano X up, what would you do? Transfer the funds to another wallet and set it up again, this time as "Segwit" ??

Don't worry, you don't need to setup anything again. You can just generate a new address using segwit
Just create a new account in your ledger live software and choose Segwit


I found a detailed guide here
https://blog.cryptocoin.cc/2019/05/01/how-to-create-a-bitcoin-segwit-address-on-ledger-nano-s-lower-fees/
9525  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin Halving Countdown and Other Data on: September 05, 2019, 10:03:52 AM
Miners need to sell their btc to pay for their costs. They are a big supplier.

You are speculating. You don't really know if they are a big supplier or not. Also, if miners "are a big supplier", then you would expect the price to be falling all the time as they continue to sell new bitcoins every day.

Because that's exactly how it works. Supply and demand. Google for it and you will understand. The mmore supply, the lower the price. That's science, not speculation.



Also do you expect all miners to be holders, or just suppliers of BTC to exchanges? They mine and sell most of them, because they need to pay energy costs.

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All past halvings affected the price a lot (as the graphic posts by tbct_mt2).

There is no correlation. There was a steep rise in price a few months after the first halving, but not after the second halving (unless you include the rise that followed more than a year later. Furthermore, there have been several steep increases that do not coincide with any halving.
Of course we must consider all past data to make the analysis. Reduction in supply will affect the price forever. Do you think that if a halving never occurred, and we had 50 new BTC every 10minuyes, the price would be the same? Look at the graphic up there again.

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Litecoin works just like Bitcoin. There would be no reason for an opposite behavior. Litecoiners say that the price falls because miners must sell extra litecoins to cover loses after the halving.

you are the one speculating now Wink
9526  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: One Satoshi, From Which National Money Are More Valuable? on: September 05, 2019, 01:22:34 AM
I get why people like these metrics from a perma bull perspective, but there is no way to spend a single satoshi on-chain without paying a fee 500-1000x higher than the amount you want to transact with, and this is when the network isn't experiencing much activity, otherwise the fees are even higher. It's not an advantage when you can't utilize it.

In order to have this metric actually mean something, we need Lightning globally deployed so that people in all countries can use it with little effort and cost.

Additionally, a currency that is worth less than one satoshi doesn't mean anything. Live cost can be pretty high in those places, and 1 of those currencies is worth nothing.
just like 1 satoshi is worthless to us (cannot even be transacted), a currency which is worth less than 1 satoshi per unit, that unit is worthless as well.

You cannot buy a lunch with 1 satoshi in Venezuela. Everything there is calculated in thousands or millions. We lived that in Brazil few years ago. And from time to time government just cut off 3 zeros from fiat value, and life goes on.

Those metrics are just useless...
9527  Bitcoin / Electrum / Re: Some help required if possible. Silly mistake on: September 04, 2019, 09:14:10 PM
Have the latest version 4.0.0



Electrum 4.0 is a malware.

I would format my computer if I were you. I don't know what those hackers did, so I would format just to be safe.
Do not deal with any cryptocurrency until you are 100% sure your computer is not infected.

Download Electrum only from Electrum.org.
9528  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Best country for crypto on: September 04, 2019, 06:25:05 PM
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I still have some doubts on Portugal’s stand as I stated a few posts above, and I’m not completely certain that the media has not misinterpreted the part for the total. The link I referenced above (https://www.audico.pt/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/57_INFORMACAO_14436.pdf) talks about “IVA” (tax applied to purchase of goods), but I cannot (perhaps due to my limited capabilities to understand a document in Portuguese) see references to “IRS” (tax you pay based on your income).

Perhaps someone with good command of Portuguese could help clarify (@Bitmover?).


Hello,

I am not from Portugal, but I have a quite good understanding about taxes in Brazil.
What we call in Brazil and Portugual IVA is a kind of taxation called Value Added Tax.
From wikipedia:

VAT is a type of tax that is assessed incrementally. Like an income tax, it is based on the increase in value of a product or service at each stage of production or distribution.

Basically, it is a tax that is paid at each stage incrementally. Let´s suppose someone sell a tree. Then he pays tax. Then the guy who bought the tree cut it down and make some wood and sells the wood. At this point, to avoid double taxation, he pays only the taxes of the values added by their respective business practices. When the other guy transform the wood into the table he pays only a small difference again. This is basically what VAT (or IVA) is.

It is a smart form of taxation, because it avoids double taxation and tax evasion.

For traders, IVA taxation makes absolutely no sense IMO, only IRS.

However, for MINERS, IVA taxation makes sense, and this document is directed mostly to miners:
https://www.audico.pt/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/57_INFORMACAO_14436.pdf

There are some paragraphs where he talks about traders, defending that they should not pay IVA, but it says nothing about IRS, like in 13. 2.
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2) O artigo 135.°, n.º 1, alínea e), da Diretiva 2006/112 deve ser interpretado no sentido de que prestações de serviços como as em causa no processo
principal, que consistem no câmbio de divisas tradicionais por unidades da divisa virtual «bitcoin», e vice versa, efetuadas mediante o pagamento de uma
quantia correspondente à margem constituída pela diferença entre, por um lado, o preço pelo qual o operador em causa compra as divisas e, por outro, o
preço a que as vende aos seus clientes, constituem operações isentas de imposto sobre o valor acrescentado
, na aceção dessa disposição.

(free translation of bold part: The price which the operator buy, and on the other hand, the price which he sells to his customers, are operations VAT free)
 


This article explains it a bit better I think.
It is written in Portuguese language, so you still need translator, human or AI...
https://eco.sapo.pt/2019/08/27/troca-e-remuneracao-de-criptomoedas-isentas-de-iva-e-irs/

This article is poorly written, as it was clearly written by someone who doesn't understand cryptocurrency very well. But it is directed to miners:
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https://eco.sapo.pt/2019/08/27/troca-e-remuneracao-de-criptomoedas-isentas-de-iva-e-irs/
"A empresa portuguesa que contactou o Fisco procura criar criptomoedas"
(The company that contact  Internal Revenue Service seeks to create cryptocurrency)




From those two documents, there is no proof that trading operations are IRS free in Portugal.



Edit:
I found a more interesting document from 2016, which clearly states that selling cryptocurrency is tax free.
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https://info.portaldasfinancas.gov.pt/pt/informacao_fiscal/informacoes_vinculativas/rendimento/cirs/Documents/PIV_09541.pdf
Conclui-se assim que a venda de cripto-moeda não é tributável face ao ordenamento fiscal português, a não ser que pela sua habitualidade constitua uma atividade profissional ou empresarial do contribuinte, caso em que será tributado na categoria B

(It follows that the sale of crypto currency is not taxable under the Portuguese tax system, unless it usually constitutes a taxpayer's professional or business activity, in which case it will be taxed in category B)
9529  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Original BTC White paper from Satoshi Nakamoto on: September 04, 2019, 05:25:45 PM

You really found something interesting.

I am going to ask you again to move this to a less spammy board, as there is something clearly wrong here.

For now, we have 3 whitepapers:

https://bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf (newer file, from 2009)
https://www.gwern.net/docs/bitcoin/20081003-nakamoto-bitcoindraft.pdf (2008 original Whitepaper)
https://draftable.com/compare/rCuIgdwzImUI (presumed edited ecash whitepaper from 2017)

2 main questions remains:
-Where is the original Ecash file from 2008?
-What is written in Chinese when we open the 2009 Whitepaper from bitcoin.org in Notepad?

I tried to translate it using google translator, but it seems that it doens't make sense, as Google refuses to translate it.

This is just a small sentence that I put on google translator:
(倥䙄ㄭ㐮┊꓃볃뛃鿃㈊〠漠橢㰊⼼敌杮桴㌠〠删䘯汩整⽲汆瑡䑥捥摯㹥ਾ瑳敲浡砊궜䭜⒋ᆹ쾾ꢯꆳ⧚┩䉥큓叕慭߀鯣ڽట诞뻿씥剛댚嶐ꖛ⡇询檷㞖ﭷ럏��⥽錟ﳺ㾷꿶时羷筼ﳾ싦᛺楮��뿏ﻝ쏸峝......)

This is what google translates:
Ignorant 䙄 ㄭ 㐮 ┊꓃ 볃뛃 鿃㈊〠 desert oval 㰊 Center Weighted enemy Fei rafter ㌠〠 delete 䘯 confused the whole ⽲ boil 䑥 Wan Shi Zhi 㹥 ਾ Cuoqiaobokang 궜 䭜 ⒋ ᆹ쾾 ꢯꆳ⧚┩ 䉥 큓 Li  wrongful ߀ Yi ڽ ట when birth 뻿씥 just  댚 Long ꖛ⡇ inquiry 檷 㞖 ڃ 럏 ⥽ tan غي 㾷  꿶  Lian Chu Tradesmen شي 싦 ᛺ 뿏 ل 쏸 Tong


Something is wrong with that file, and it really looks like something may be hidden inside it.
9530  Bitcoin / Hardware wallets / Re: Ledger Nano X - Withdrawal to from e.g. Nicehash Wallet - Enter valid BTC addres on: September 04, 2019, 02:54:47 PM
Some exchange/service still do not support segwit (both native segwit and nested segwit starting with bc1 and 3 respectively).

Try using legacy address which starts with 1

Segwit addresses which starts with 3 are fully compatible with any old software, so it should work. Do not try native segwit (bch...) Because it may not work with those exchanges.

Just generate a new address that starts with 3 "segwit" or "compatible"
9531  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin Halving Countdown and Other Data on: September 04, 2019, 12:07:59 PM
Today, the halving countdown is 256 days.
I think it's only approximate value since hashrate always fluctuates. Who knows there will be new generation ASIC machines produced shortly.

The halvening indeed will be interesting since if the price cannot rise to cope with mining profitability as @buwaytress said, we will see a significant temporary drop in hashrate. So, how the market - miners react to the new "equilibrium" will be something worth to see.

Hashrate doesn't matter.

If they produce new asic with better hashrate or if miners leave, the difficult will be adjusted accordingly to keep 10minutes average block mining. It will be 256 (now 255) days, or very close to that.
9532  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin Halving Countdown and Other Data on: September 03, 2019, 08:20:26 PM
1000000 BTC are traded every day. A change of only 900 is not going to have any impact. The halving does not lower the supply. The supply is always increasing.

This doesn't mean that 1000000 individually BTC are traded everyday. A single BTC can be traded one thousand times a day.
A sell to B, that Sell to C, that sells to D, and so on, the same btc.

Miners need to sell their btc to pay for their costs. They are a big supplier. All past halvings affected the price a lot (as the graphic posts by tbct_mt2).

About LTC, you cannot compare any altcoin with bitcoin. Because altcoins are simple not bitcoin. They are used to by smart people to accumulate btc, and for that only.
9533  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: How can I earn $1 worth of bitcoin everyday? Please help! on: September 03, 2019, 07:55:47 PM
Maybe you can try steemit?
It is a platform  where you can post, and if people like your post you will earn some Steem. You can trade those steem tokens for BTC.

Earning money is hard everywhere. You will not be able to earn 1 USD per day without work.
9534  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: How to create your own cryptocurrency? on: September 03, 2019, 06:54:38 PM
For example, you have a game server and you need to create a game currency or really want to earn.

So you pretend to make money by making your own currency?
Everyone wants to earn. But people need to earn in an honest way, not by cheating others, creating some pyramid get rich quick scheme.

This is the reason I said, why the hell you want to create your own currency? Just to get people from the others?

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I do not see here anything that can be a threat to existing tokens and BTC.
No threat to BTC or tokens, it is just a threat to other people, naive people (who wants also to get rich quick without effort).
9535  Economy / Economics / Bitcoin Halving Countdown and Other Data on: September 03, 2019, 06:12:17 PM
Hello all,


I just found this website https://bitcoinblockhalf.com/ with some interesting data:

Today, the halving countdown is 256 days.

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Percentage of total Bitcoins mined:   85.30%
Total Bitcoins left to mine:   3,086,550
Total Bitcoins left to mine until next blockhalf:   461,550
Bitcoin price (USD):   $10,750.00
Market capitalization (USD):   $192,569,587,500.00
Bitcoins generated per day:   1,800
Bitcoin inflation rate per annum:   3.74%
Bitcoin inflation rate per annum at next block halving event:   1.80%

1800 BTC per day is a lot. In 256 days we will have only 900 new btc per day, which is quite interesting and will certainly impact the price.
It is hard to price in a halving before it occurs, because it affects the supply of bitcoin on exchanges.

Inflation rate is still very low. Global inflation rate is about 3,58 (https://www.statista.com/statistics/256598/global-inflation-rate-compared-to-previous-year/)
Next year we will be about 1/2 global inflation rate. Lets see how we go.
9536  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Draft page - Pros & Cons on: September 03, 2019, 02:59:35 PM
If you will be making many OPs or posts that need to follow a similar template, you can create the template, send a PM to yourself and use the "label" feature to allow you to quickly locate the PM.

This is a work around. PM were not designed for that. Although it works, and it is a good idea, when the administrator think about solution he shouldn't think about workarounds.

What you are suggesting should be done in the drafts pages, not in a PM sent to yourself (which is like an autism  solution, nobody should be able to PM yourself)
9537  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Draft page - Pros & Cons on: September 03, 2019, 02:17:04 PM
I think that this draft page is almost useless the way it is.

Auto deletion after 7 days, lack of manual deletion, and so on. We are all basically forced to use a third party editor, even having a native draft page here.

I created a topic about it in meta with suggestions of improvement, but nobody seemed to care, the answers were like "just use an external editor"....
9538  Other / Meta / Re: How much full, sr, hero, Legendary member are in [BITCOINTALK]? on: September 03, 2019, 02:13:56 PM
A lot of recent as well as previous ranked member has zero knowledge on bitcoin. It's annoying to see people with zero knowledge on bitcoin is also growing up to the next rank, even with the new rank system "merit". What will be your answer if someone newbie ask you for technical support but you can't assist him because you don't know even though you are a Hero/ Legendary member?
You don't have to be a bitcoin genius to advance in the forum and that's a good thing. The forum only demand the ability to post quality threads.

Yes, this is very good indeed.

Many people here rank up just by posting trading strategies and sharing their desperation in WO thread, for example. Other user rank up with statistics, others rank up with jokes, others rank up by posting news, commenting politics, and so on.

This forum is already much larger than just a bitcoin technical discussion. ANd this is good. There is room for everyone. Probably OP didn't find his "talent" here yet. How can you contribute here more effectively? Everyone can rank up here, you just need to find where do you fit best.
9539  Local / Brasil / Re: ENTREVISTA COM O CRIPTOARTISTA BRASILEIRO NINO ARTEIRO on: September 03, 2019, 01:32:52 PM
O pior é que o cara cola em inglês, nem traduz ...

Se vc quer divulgar seu trabalho, traduza a entrevista e cole aqui. Ninguém vai clicar nesse link maluco, só macaco velho aqui.
9540  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Zilliqa on: September 03, 2019, 01:31:22 PM
Only Zilliqa is available on Ledger Nano S but Bittorent coin is not yet available

This information is wrong
You can put BitTorrent coin in your ledger nano s.

BitTorrent is a Tron Token.there is a guide here telling how to store Tron and Tron tokens in your ledger nano. You need their party software, such as Tron link.
https://support.ledger.com/hc/en-us/articles/360006904193-TRON-TRX-
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