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1461  Economy / Reputation / Re: MagicByt3 - refusing to honor his auction contract on: February 25, 2020, 02:13:54 AM
Lesson has been learned and advice has been taken on board. 

And I am sorry for the inconvenience caused.

People make mistakes it's not how you get knocked down it's how you get back up that matters.

I hope we can overlook this as a learning process as a new seller here now I know much more about the way to conduct business here.

Please let me know when you get your bar.

Thanks

Magic

Apology accepted. No hard feelings. Will do, thanks.
1462  Economy / Goods / Re: Smoker's Mystery Box of Harold's Hidden Pain $50 - PAPERS - GLASS - FREE US SHIP on: February 25, 2020, 12:05:05 AM
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1463  Economy / Reputation / Re: MagicByt3 - refusing to honor his auction contract on: February 24, 2020, 11:57:22 PM
Can you confirm I have sent you the tracking info Tecshare please?

I have accepted my mistake's and I have done what is being asked of me what else can I do?

I have alt accounts attacking me in my own topic I have had to lock it down.

Tecshare I have sent to the escrow at my cost and also my cost to reship.. again let's not keep things going here. people make mistakes I have accepted that I made one and Jimjam also has made a post about it to as far as I am concerned the matter is over I await reply's for tecshare and Last of the V8's.

I hope they enjoy there bars.

Sorry for being human and making a mistake.. I'm sure we've all done it at some point.

Magic

Yes, I have received tracking info. You did the right thing, eventually... but everything in between was pointless. I would be a lot more willing to give you credit for admitting your mistakes if you had done it of your own volition rather than after the forced pulling of teeth. I am not going to antagonize you. All I wanted was for you to learn something out of this whole fiasco, otherwise it would have eventually been some one else if it wasn't me.
1464  Other / Meta / Re: VOD should be removed from default trust for systematic abuse of his position on: February 24, 2020, 11:07:50 PM
OK Techy,

It's fitting you use wordplay to indicate non interest in mediation.

The first step is to stop the dishonesty.  You can say "I don't understand Vod's substantiation", or "I can't find your quote" but if you continue to lie and say I didn't back it up with facts, then nothing will be accomplished here.

There is no one within 4,000 feet of me, so if you decide you want to mediate, stop the word play, stop the false accusations, and give me a neutral name to mediate.

 Cool

I would love to say I don't understand it, but to do that I would need you to actually present your substantiation first. Please quote your substantiation Vod. If I am lying, prove me wrong, it is very easy to do. Just quote it.
1465  Other / Meta / Re: The Objective Standards Guild - Testimonium Libertatem Iustitia on: February 24, 2020, 11:02:25 PM
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Stop making everything about you figmentofmyass! You are supposed to sit silent and let everyone lie about you. Doing anything else is narcissistic and dishonest!
1466  Economy / Reputation / Re: DireWolf14 : Trust exaggeration on: February 24, 2020, 10:57:04 PM
Anytime someone is obviously trying to build a trusted reputation, it suggest to others that their might be ulterior motives.  It might be cynical and paranoid, but that doesn't mean they're wrong.

I don't know what went on here in this instance, and frankly I don't care. I haven't read the thread. I just want to point out how fucking asinine this statement is. I might suspect you are a body snatcher from the planet Xenon, that doesn't give me a right to preemptively shank you in the name of protecting your potential victims.

Just because you have suspicions doesn't make you right either. You think your suspicions are above reproach, and anyone trying to build a reputation potentially has ulterior motives. EVERYONE potentially has ulterior motives, even you. Your statement is retarded and demonstrates the lack of logic you carry yourself with, the gate keeping you participate in, and why I wouldn't trust you with a dirty diaper.
1467  Economy / Reputation / Re: Vod is a liar. on: February 24, 2020, 10:43:49 PM
before you give yourself a stroke like Vod
That's low.

Quite distasteful, yes, but so is Vod. Save your sympathy for some one who deserves it.
1468  Economy / Reputation / Re: MagicByt3 - refusing to honor his auction contract on: February 24, 2020, 10:42:47 PM
TECSHARE is an asshole to everyone so don't take it personally, and in this case he had every right to be like that, seeing how your behavior did not inspire trust.

Not true at all. People who act with respect, honesty, and decency I try my best to reciprocate as much as I am able to. People who don't take responsibility for their mistakes, attack, or are dishonest, I will beat my skull against theirs until one of our skulls are caved in. Don't mistake lack of a dependence on conflict avoidance with being an asshole to everyone, because it is simply not true.

Avoiding conflict at all cost IMO is more harmful than seeing things through even if it pisses some people off, because it is the only way things are changed some times. Magicbyt3 simply was intent on having his tit for tat, inspite of my several efforts to deescalate. Hopefully he learned something and will continue participating in the community with a newfound recognition of the importance an agreement holds here. As a place that is heavily populated with pseudonymous people, really all anyone has here is their word, so it is more important here than most places.
1469  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The Army of the 12 Monkeys on: February 24, 2020, 10:23:39 PM
It looks like there's a suspicion that a religious group may be spreading the virus in South Korea.  Too soon to tell if it's intentional or if it's coincidental, but something like half of the cases in South Korea can be traced back to the attendees of an event hosted by this group.  The fact that they think their leader is the second coming of Jesus Christ sure doesn't help quell the suspicion that it's intentional. 

https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/22/asia/south-korea-coronavirus-religious-group-intl/index.html

From what I have read about this, it may just be coincidental. Apparently they live in close quarters, which would be the perfect environment to spread it throughout their little cult. Of course intentional or not, cults tend to not like to be told what to do by outside forces so, I could see how it would be highly ambiguous.
1470  Other / Politics & Society / Re: USA siding with EU vs UK and nazis on: February 24, 2020, 10:21:10 PM
?.. nationalisation is racism as soon as national banks/currencies are created..?

nationalism is about creating a national currency/bank.. but thats not the racism
thats uniting different regions into an agreeable single form of banking/currency

if you want to know an example of racism
take india for instance. did you know that as a national agenda they wanted to form a criteria for allowing people to become an indian citizen.
first of all all non-indian born (hereditary citizens) get classed as undocumented. eg refugee's and undocumented people of all religions
and then claim that all undocumented people are then allowed citizen no matter what religion they are.. apart from.. muslim

..yep muslims cant be granted citizenship.

nothing to do with money or bank. but just due to do with being picky about which people can and cant become a citizen based on race/religion

atleast try to learn things

Not that I agree with their policy necessarily, I don't know anything about it, but Muslim is not a race.
1471  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Bernie Sanders is the Frontrunner for the Dems on: February 24, 2020, 06:23:59 PM
Some on the far left might argue the establishments hate for Bernie is so strong they would rather Trump than Bernie.

This is not the position of "the establishment", this is the position of the majority of Americans. There aren't many things more establishment than the communist policies Bernie is pushing. You like to cry that this designation is unfair, but the man honeymooned in the USSR, and literally just praised the communist revolution in Cuba AGAIN. I assure you that just lost him AT LEAST Florida, which has a massive Cuban refugee population. Characterizing him as a communist is quite fair.

Bernie had his chance in 2016, and being the jellyfish he is, he bent over and submitted to Killery and took the absolute corrupt ass fucking he got down on his knees without so much as a peep of an objection. People are going to remember that come November. Also most Americans realize the policies he is advocating for are insane, unattainable, and will bankrupt the nation. Short of Trump starting a nuclear war, nothing is going to stop him from getting another 4 years. You keep dreaming.
1472  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Coronavirus Outbreak on: February 24, 2020, 06:15:03 PM
I've heard YouTube make statements to the extent of, and I'm paraphrasing "we do the opposite of taking you down the rabbit hole" in regards to any conspiracy related content. A bio-weapon implies conspiracy implicitly at least to some extent.

China Uncensored is by no means a "conspiracy" oriented channel. They focus mostly on geopolitics and financial issues, mostly related to China. There is no good reason Youtube should be censoring them, they aren't saying anything even remotely controversial, that is unless you are Winnie the Pooh.
1473  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Coronavirus Outbreak on: February 24, 2020, 05:04:00 PM
Youtube is now actively scrubbing Coronavirus related content. Lack of information is dangerous in a situation like this, but Wutube is too busy sucking China's dick to let that get in the way.

https://www.youtube.com/post/UgyJQAOdsVvPS3fmVll4AaABCQ
1474  Economy / Reputation / Re: Vod is a liar. on: February 24, 2020, 04:57:24 PM
I'd really appreciate it Vod.

??

Can you tell me what you would appreciate?   I'm lost in context here.



That means VOD has a line of peoples to send apologies to.

Oh you bet I do.   In each of those cases, once I was able to show the accuser how they were parroting garbage and I could too, they discontinued with their accusations.   If they post here for an apology, like I am, I will give it to them.  No matter how long the line.

Just more proof you are a liar and will say anything that suits you at any given time. We are asking for apologies for you calling us pedophiles Vod. You promised them. Where are they?
1475  Other / Meta / Re: The Objective Standards Guild - Testimonium Libertatem Iustitia on: February 24, 2020, 04:49:46 PM
Bolded part wasn't there when I hit reply.  Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it's some sort of Machiavellian-esque plot.  You've just gone about it in what, to me at least, appears to be a slightly sly way.

Coming back to the logic part, you've included a list of suggested exclusions from this little brigade of yours.  How does excluding people from the group that would compel them to be more objective result in you achieving your goal of them not leaving you undesirable tags?  I'm not quite following that part. 

Don't project your personal interpretations on to me. I have been absolutely transparent in my goals and motives. You however have been trying really hard to use the fact that the trust system has been used against me as some kind of evidence that what I am arguing is not legitimate.... because the trust system has been abused against me.

The system is designed currently to allow people to make their own custom trust lists that users can change based on who's methodology they find most useful, of course like I explained before, when I do that it is evidence of "sly" practices. You aren't interested in a factual debate. You have a conclusion and you want to build a narrative around me to support it. You aren't interested in a legitimate debate about the topic. You are being quite disingenuous here yourself while accusing me of the same.
1476  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Coronavirus Outbreak on: February 24, 2020, 04:14:26 PM
The W.H.O. finally made a public statement. What a whitewash.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLi2x3_Zv-Y

I have more confidence in The Who at this point. They certainly have better audio.

1477  Other / Meta / Re: VOD should be removed from default trust for systematic abuse of his position on: February 24, 2020, 09:25:24 AM
I get that you attempted to serve as a neutral 3rd party, and I tried to engage with you and answer your questions as much as possible. I do not feel as if Vod has been as forthcoming. It is not really mediation if only one side is engaging and being questioned.

I hope those points get attention... I think you were pretty complete in your explanation of what the situation was from your end; and given all other info; 

I think just those few points of unknown to me (use of red trust, and is theymos's old words/actions still applicable in todays date) should add completion to my analysis.

If you think I can provide any further explanation to answer your questions, if you would please, ask them one more time and I will attempt to fill in the gaps. One thing I think you have not really addressed though is the fact that Vod refuses to substantiate any of his claims against me with any kind of evidence. IMO that is more relevant than Theymos's opinion which may or may not have changed. Vod's inability to substantiate any of his claims pretty well demonstrates that the ratings have no basis and he left them as a form of a personal attack and not as a legitimate use of the trust system.

One other thing you might want to review is a recent exchange we had earlier in this thread:

Let me summarize. There is no victim, even if there was, it wasn't you. The single PM I posed was in response to public statements characterizing me as having sent abusive PMs, which was untrue, and why I posted the message. The message was insignificant except for the fact it demonstrated the polite tone of the discussion. The user in question cares so little in fact they still have me in their trust list. They don't feel what I did was untrustworthy.

Then they don't deserve to be in the guild, because according to you, posting private messages is wrong.   You posted a private message without permission, and then you lied about it then, and just again now. 

There was no victim, and that is why the trust is neutral.

What lie Vod? Please quote. Also, you left a negative already for the same thing. By your own logic you should remove your previous negative rating.

Vod   2020-02-04   Reference   "Mentally ill stalker who will post private messages then lie about it as revenge for ignoring him. Avoid. "

You can see in an attempt to justify a new neutral rating he just left, he admits there is no victim for this particular incident, explaining this is why the rating was neutral. Yet a previous negative rating he left for the same incident still stands. He is contradicting himself and undermining his own justification for leaving the negative rating to justify the neutral rating. This demonstrates clearly based on his own words, that he knows a negative rating is not warranted, and he simply can't keep his story straight, because it is a fabrication.
1478  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Coronavirus: How can YOU help? on: February 24, 2020, 07:38:44 AM
I think the Coronavirus should help prevent it  Most people in our country should be educated before they can be illiterate ...

Interesting observation.

This is what we get from the tons and tons of campaign spammers that come here and spew shit all the time. Really wish someone would step up the enforcement of that(nudge nudge hellfish) but yeah.

How do you help - if you've went to a country that is currently quarantined due to coronavirus outbreaks, fucking tell the proper authorities.

Usually the best bet is to contact the campaign manager directly. I have no idea who runs that one though.
1479  Other / Meta / Re: The Objective Standards Guild - Testimonium Libertatem Iustitia on: February 24, 2020, 06:18:19 AM

I didn't say you shouldn't respond.
And I didn't say that you did.
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The problem is the conflict in logic demonstrated in your response.
I see no conflict in my logic. Do you see the conflict in yours?
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You don't need to be conspiring to be part of an aimless mob, it is human nature to just mindlessly follow the group.
Much patronising wow. Literally everyone I know irl would piss themselves laughing at that as a description of me.
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"You were told" huh? By who I wonder?
Oh please.
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Please, do quote where I accused you of "violating existing forum trust protocol".
Your OP litany of rhetoric
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harassment, threats, and intimidation.....stifle criticism, competition....culture of rampant and systematic abuse...a culture of nepotism
followed by your "Suggested Exclusion" blacklist, paints those on that list -including me- as conspirators in those actvities, all of which are antithetical to the existing protocol regarding use of the trust system.
I don't do any of that shit.
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You were saying something about projection?
Nope, haven't used the word.
"Retaliation" I've used, in reference to your reaction to my exclusion of you. But yeah, I'll use it if you like.
In running your own anti-gang gang (interesting concept), you'll be able to project all sorts of solutions to your personal issues.

I already explained why I excluded you, and why you are on that list. You projecting your interpretation in bold above is not my responsibility. I didn't say those things about you, you said those things and are turning it into a straw man and expecting me to defend words I didn't say, but you are saying on my behalf.


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You were saying something about projection?
Nope, haven't used the word.

You do entirely what you please, but if that includes projecting your agenda onto me, then I will respond.

You don't even know what you said let alone what I said.




On another note...


I saw this today and couldn't help but be reminded about this debate here regarding the fact that trust system abuse drives away good users.

1480  Other / Meta / Re: VOD should be removed from default trust for systematic abuse of his position on: February 24, 2020, 06:07:22 AM
I'm crashing - been working all night on the new site.

Techy, if you are serious, think about a neutral third party who can mediate discussions.  I don't believe you are capable of having a conversation without wordplay.  :/

one or two pages back.

two, maybe three key points to address I mentioned.... my uncertainties about certain facts or interpretations.  The rest of the analysis was not refuted by anyone, and I believe it is sound.


This would clear up most of it to this point;  and it would be a fresh slate to go by afterwards.

I get that you attempted to serve as a neutral 3rd party, and I tried to engage with you and answer your questions as much as possible. I do not feel as if Vod has been as forthcoming. It is not really mediation if only one side is engaging and being questioned.
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