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1281  Other / Meta / Re: The reputation system here needs to be de-centralized, get rid of default trust on: August 27, 2015, 10:35:25 PM
Is there any proof of turtle's alleged fraudulent history, outside of the accusations you have presented thus far?
1282  Other / Meta / Re: The reputation system here needs to be de-centralized, get rid of default trust on: August 27, 2015, 09:42:05 PM
This is exactly why the reputation system needs to stay somewhat centralized. If it were to become decentralized in a similar way that the Bitcoin network is decentralized then the scammers would appear trustworthy and the people who will act honestly will look like scammers.

As someone who has no dog in the fight regarding turtle and yourself, it actually appears very much this way to me. OP seems to have been an honest seller for years on this forum, and you single handedly ruined his entire reputation because he made a purchase from a fraudulent buyer, while the fraudulent seller has not received any repercussions what so ever for selling stolen gift cards. While some may argue this is not grounds for a negative trust mark, I also noticed that you personally have assigned negative trust to those selling illegitimately received giftcards.

The result is you look like a giant hypocrite and promoting scamming on the forums. Your job as a default trust member is actually quite the opposite, and you appear to be grossly abusing your power.
1283  Economy / Gambling / Re: ★★VEGAS TO MACAU★★ Virtual & Online Casinos on: August 27, 2015, 08:48:09 PM
Have you guys created a bounty payment system yet? I reported Several bugs in the 50mb promotion thread, and was told I would be paid a bounty once such a system was in place. here is the exchange:


I also found another bug. In "Casino Hold'em", the site allows you to play without having the funds to place a bet. What I mean is that if you have enough to place an ante, but not double the ante, you can still place an ante, but have to fold because you don't have the funds to bet (same amount as ante), which basically just eats up your money.

Thank you for this information, I have forwarded it to our web team, apologies for the inconvenience


Any chance I can get at least the amount I lost refunded to me? Most casinos award bounties for bugs, but at the very least you should repay any unfair losses accumulated due to the bug.

We are in the process of structing the bounty system, once complete you will be contacted directly.

Awesome, thanks for the update!

In case anyone is curious about the bounty system, I just received my bounty for reporting a bug. The bounty was a .025 BTC promo code with a 1BTC wagered requirement to cash out.
1284  Economy / Speculation / Re: This drama is ridiculous... on: August 27, 2015, 02:05:24 PM
A lot of people have this same mindset- "Right now doesn't matter. Bitcoin value only matters down the road". Newsflash, if the price isn't gradually increasing until the fabled "mass adoption", it can never take place. Bitcoin won't spike from 230 to 2300 in one day, and it can't start that movement until the price begins to increase.
1285  Economy / Digital goods / Re: [WTS] STEAM Account, VALUE: $7770, 776 Games (PRICE: 130$) on: August 27, 2015, 02:50:38 AM
For everyone that's asking questions about the value of the account compared to the price, as someone who uses steam a lot I can tell you this: Personally my account is "valued" at over $2k, but that isn't what it's actually worth. The value is taken from the full retail price of every game in the library. I would assume that a lot of these games were purchased on sale, especially through sites like humblebundle.com. That said, I wouldn't give away my steam account for $130 so I'd be cautious of where he got this account from, because steam support is known to lay down the hammer on situations like this.

So if this account was hacked, even if I were to purchase this and receive full access to all account related information, Steam support could still lock me out and potentially give the account back to the original owner?

In that case, is there any way we can get a warranty on the account if someone decides to purchase it?
1286  Other / Meta / What are Grounds for Negative Trust? on: August 27, 2015, 02:47:37 AM
Anyone who has been on this forum for a bit understands the importance of trust. With a poor trust rating, it is hard to make purchases, receive loans, and even participate in signature campaigns. For such an important factor involved, I'm surprised there aren't more concrete guidelines as to what justifies negative trust.

Obviously, doing things such as scamming is grounds for negative trust. If you take out a loan and don't repay it, you deserve the red mark under your username. In addition, it appears to be common practice in the lending section to mark accounts asking for loans without collateral as untrustworthy.

Aside from this, I cannot think of many unspoken rules. The problem I see is that there are a lot of grey area (laundering money, selling stolen goods, blackhat merchants, etc.) where most people are not given poor trust, and many even are awarded good trust. However, there are a few lucky individuals in each controversial market that are subject to the red mark of death, and they typically lose most of their business as a result.

So, is there any list of activities that is agreed upon by the default trust users as grounds for a negative trust rating? I spent a considerable amount of time looking throughout the forums, but I couldn't find a comprehensive list anywhere.
1287  Economy / Digital goods / Re: [WTS] STEAM Account, VALUE: $7770, 776 Games (PRICE: 130$) on: August 27, 2015, 02:32:35 AM
It's a legit account, i have try to sell it on eBay without success.

So let's say you hacked the account. If you hand over the email credentials and the password, is there any chance that the original account owner can retrieve it? Or if I change the password on the account/email, I will be the sole owner, correct? Any way the original owner can contact Steam and regain ownership?
1288  Economy / Reputation / Re: Quickseller Reputation Scammer on: August 27, 2015, 02:00:39 AM
Bump. Quickseller needs to be taken off default trust.

Damn. I'm not yet sure whether I agree with the trust placed on OP or not, but I definitely don't think you deserve it. You have a very good trust history, and Quickseller decided to play detective in your dispute and deemed you the criminal, thus destroying all your reputation you had built up over the years. Sorry to see that happen to you, hopefully you can get that blemish removed in the near future.
1289  Economy / Economics / Re: Best way to make a living online? on: August 27, 2015, 01:32:47 AM
I earn some btc  from affiliate marketing...Signature campaigns ..not so much but is ok  Cool

What are the profits like from using an affiliated based signature campaign? IIRC the Xotika signature earns you money only when users sign up under it, correct? I tried doing this with Primedice for a little bit after they shut down their signature campaign. Didn't get any referrals, but maybe with a campaign for a newer and more exciting company you could get a decent number of people to join.
1290  Other / Off-topic / Re: 2016, The Year of Bitcoin? on: August 26, 2015, 09:56:00 PM
With the expectation of global crysis, I dont think 2016 will be year of BTC.

After 2013 peak, the main stream adoption didnt still happened. And, it doesnt seem occur sooner. Also, btc has some technical limitations like block size , blockchain size which will have become more serious problem when # of txs/block keeps the increasing. Before coming year of bitcoin, it should be evolved to be used as a -real- global payment vehicle.

I think if/when a global economic crisis takes place, that would actually be incredibly good for Bitcoin. One of the major misconceptions of Bitcoin is that it's unstable and extremely volatile, when our neighbors and co-workers complain about all the money they are losing, we must simply flaunt our stable investment (Bitcoin) and surely at least some others will decide to hop on the train.
1291  Other / Off-topic / Re: 2016, The Year of Bitcoin? on: August 26, 2015, 09:34:45 PM
2012: "2013 is going to be the year of bitcoin"
2013: "2014 is going to be the year of bitcoin"
2014: "2015 is going to be the year of bitcoin"
2015: "2016 is going to be the year of bitcoin"

 Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy.

I'll just wait and see what the future brings. There are no promises but I have hope that sometime will be the year of bitcoin.

I mean, if you don't look at the bigger picture, you could argue that 2013 was the year of Bitcoin. We saw insane gains in price, acceptance, and news coverage in that year. The tail end of 2013 is when most people first heard about Bitcoin, after all.
1292  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: earn bitcoins quickly on: August 26, 2015, 09:23:54 PM
I cannot get a good paying job as i am only 15. However I have a good knowledge of many programming lanuages and the running of different things such as bitcoin

Age doesn't matter in the realm of freelance. Act professional, provide quality services, and nobody will even question your age in the first place. If you understand programming you should look into the services section or reddit.com/r/jobs4bitcoins and reach out to people in need of some programming help.
1293  Other / Off-topic / Re: 2016, The Year of Bitcoin? on: August 26, 2015, 09:21:44 PM
The bear market has lasted long enough. I predict 2016 is the year where bitcoin finally breaks through, both in price and in mainstream adoption.

The fork issue is a distraction. It won't kill bitcoin. The majority will eventually choose what fork they want to use, whether it is the original, or XT, or some third option.

I see the fork issue as silly infighting which only hurts bitcoin. I want bitcoin to succeed, that's what I care about, not what version of BTC I use. I will go with the majority, whichever fork is chosen.

It 's easy to predict without any arguments  Smiley
What make you think Bitcoin is about to go mainstream? Amazon accepting BTC in 2016?

Well yes, Amazon i have a feeling that will accept btc, on that way bitcoin price will change a lot. It should and the Ebay integrate the bitcoin as a payment method. In this way while big e-commerce companies include this payment method the price of bitcoin will increase and people will be more interested to invest in bitcoin.

Call me pessimistic, but I seriously doubt anything like Amazon or Ebay adopting Bitcoin would take place next year. There is currently no benefit for merchants to accept Bitcoin, and there is even proof to suggest that Bitcoin acceptance hurts sales (I believe Firefox is the one that made the study).

Anyways, we are a long ways away from mass adoption. Price fluctuation in 2016? I would be upset if it didn't, with the halving and all. However, I don't think that is enough to boost Bitcoin into the mainstream.

I accept that there can be a loss for amazon if they had added bitcoin this year, we know 300s at the beginning of this year and now 200s and if ebay and amazon implemented this then they would lose -33.33%.
I think they are waiting for bitcoin price to be stable and implement it.

Oh no, I don't mean holding Bitcoin at all. Just by adding Bitcoin as a payment option, companies can lose overall sales. In other words, even if you use a payment processor that transacts the purchases to USD instantly, companies will experience a loss in revenue.

I read up on it a while back, so I don't have too precise of information, but the premise was as followed: Mozilla Firefox began accepting Bitcoin donations. Donations spiked up a bit as everyone who wanted to donate with Bitcoin did at the start. Most people only donated once, and after accepting Bitcoin, donations overall dropped a bit (which was allegedly caused by a loss of credibility in the eyes of potential donators through the acceptance of Bitcoin). In other words, the small group that you could potentially win over by accepting Bitcoin is smaller than the group you could potentially lose from accepting Bitcoin.
1294  Other / Off-topic / Re: 2016, The Year of Bitcoin? on: August 26, 2015, 09:10:28 PM
The bear market has lasted long enough. I predict 2016 is the year where bitcoin finally breaks through, both in price and in mainstream adoption.

The fork issue is a distraction. It won't kill bitcoin. The majority will eventually choose what fork they want to use, whether it is the original, or XT, or some third option.

I see the fork issue as silly infighting which only hurts bitcoin. I want bitcoin to succeed, that's what I care about, not what version of BTC I use. I will go with the majority, whichever fork is chosen.

It 's easy to predict without any arguments  Smiley
What make you think Bitcoin is about to go mainstream? Amazon accepting BTC in 2016?

Well yes, Amazon i have a feeling that will accept btc, on that way bitcoin price will change a lot. It should and the Ebay integrate the bitcoin as a payment method. In this way while big e-commerce companies include this payment method the price of bitcoin will increase and people will be more interested to invest in bitcoin.

Call me pessimistic, but I seriously doubt anything like Amazon or Ebay adopting Bitcoin would take place next year. There is currently no benefit for merchants to accept Bitcoin, and there is even proof to suggest that Bitcoin acceptance hurts sales (I believe Firefox is the one that made the study).

Anyways, we are a long ways away from mass adoption. Price fluctuation in 2016? I would be upset if it didn't, with the halving and all. However, I don't think that is enough to boost Bitcoin into the mainstream.
1295  Other / Meta / Re: What is theymos's updated stance on XT? on: August 26, 2015, 09:05:15 PM

My main motivation is for Bitcoin to succeed long-term (for ideological reasons). I have less potential conflict of interest than most people here, since I am self-employed.

Things I don't particularly care about:
- The value of bitcointalk.org, /r/Bitcoin, and bitcoin.org
- The short & medium-term market value of BTC
- My personal fame/power/reputation/wealth
- What random people who I don't know or respect think about what I'm doing

Things I do care about:
- Bitcoin's long-term decentralization
- The long-term ability of Bitcoin to provide anonymity
- The long-term price/usefulness of BTC
- Rational technical/economic arguments

That's really disappointing to hear you don't care about immediate/near future success of Bitcoin. I'm personally in the same boat as you on one thing- I think long term success should be one of the biggest goals for the Bitcoin community to achieve. However, I don't see how you could expect such a feet to take place without success on a smaller scale prior to whatever your version of long term success is. For me, mass adoption is the ultimate goal, and that can't take place until Bitcoin continues to improve. The roadtrip isn't point A to point B, we have a lot of landmarks to hit before this long term success can be achieved, and it needs to take place in the near future.

Anyways, it's clear you have a concrete set of views, but there are a lot of people out there with views that oppose you. Even if you run the major Bitcoin community outlets, I personally don't believe you should have the audacity to fully censor certain points of view from your forums.


He has a rough history (wasn't he just uncovered to be laundering money through some donation?)

No.


https://www.reddit.com/r/bitcoin_uncensored/comments/3hh0ln/theymos_in_trouble_with_ftc_now_ftc_just/
1296  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Is cloud mining actually genuine on: August 26, 2015, 03:23:11 AM
I'm looking at all of the main cloud mining sites and most of which have fallen, will fall or are ponzis, so my question is, does cloud mining actually exist?

Yes it does exist.

 Now you need ask yourself can I make money on it?  maybe yes maybe no

How much can I afford to lose?

As for my pick for you  buy a little bit from bitmaintech.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1151727.0;all


I have 9.99 btc and that got me 15th  I have been paid back about 1.355 btc.

  If I continue to be paid back my 9.99btc should grow to 10.4 btc  as you can see not a big profit.

Still though a little income from passive is pretty nice.   Compare that to a savings account you will make less interest then cost of living increase.

So .4 may seem small but compared to traditional it is a pretty good passive income.

yeah it should take 85-100 days   so over a year the income would be 1.2 to 1.6 btc or 12-16 %

Is that profit worth potentially losing it all in what has historically been a very risky field of investment? There are a lot of investment opportunities outside of cloud mining, why take the chance? Investing in a Bitcoin start up- like Augur for example, would earn a much greater ROI with a much smaller risk.
1297  Economy / Economics / Re: Best way to make a living online? on: August 26, 2015, 03:02:40 AM
I would just try and be original and come up with something that you are knowledgable about. Technology is the future so be creative!

If youre talking about online ventures, its harder then most people think.

Yes, you can start at any point in time, but its the direction of what you have and would you know how execute to scale.

eg: Twitch was created and was sold for 1 billion dollars by amazon

Its hard of course, but being creative truly is the only answer. The internet isn't new, and it's saturated with people all over the world attempting to do the exact same thing OP is asking about. There is no shortage of labor for online workers, and that's why all the conventional means pay little to nothing. There is a reason why there are so many "Make Money Online" eBooks flooding just about every major relevant forum.

So to summarize, being creative is the only way to earn a decent wage online, and we can't tell you what exactly that creativity is.
1298  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: The best alternative to Bitcoin on: August 26, 2015, 02:56:46 AM
I guess it is technically possible for this future to be a reality. However, I think the chances of such an occurrance are low enough to remain negligible. Besides, if a worldwide economic collapse were just beginning, I imagine Bitcoin and gold would get the job done just fine. As obscure as Bitcoin is, any miracle currency that escapes government control is much, much more obscure, and there is no way in hell that an average Joe would turn to it.

The chances of the outcome I painted are 99%. You are clueless (sorry but seriously). $227 trillion of global debt. On the verge of total economic collapse. Yeah you've heard that before but now it happens. Now.

And you are equally clueless about the technical censorship capabilities of Bitcoin.

Dude read my archives, then you will realize my background. Sorry not trying to be a jerk, but I don't have time for this. I am too busy coding. I am telling you what is, it is up to you to read my archives and wake up from being a boiling frog. Or don't. Sorry I can't help lazy people.

P.S. no offense intended. Trying to wake you up. My archives (including when I was AnonyMint and other user names) have loads of empirical data if you need that.

No offense intended, but I think you are full of shit. If USD collapses, people won't be looking for a new altcoin that can evade the governments. As I recall someone saying recently on the forums- if the USD collapses, you better be researching sustainable agriculture, not protecting your money.
1299  Economy / Economics / Re: Will a bank being hacked boost adoption of bitcoin? on: August 26, 2015, 02:53:20 AM
Short answer: no. Longer answer: Nooooo.

Banks are hacked, robbed, etc. all the time. The money is insured, and people don't lose their life savings due to such an attack. If a bank is hacked into and the news is publicized on national television, the Bitcoin price will most likely spike in response, but this is 100% due to pure speculation, no actual adoption takes place.

As for the comment on bitcoin spiking, I think it would only spike if there was a huge level of cyber break.

Like on the corporate level and having funds being split off multiple ways which they cant trace or the hacker has a level of skill they couldnt handle.

But even then, the bank will always insure your money is safe since they have so much of it.

yeah man, bitcoin market is very sensitive when the volatility of bitcoin does not advantage them, then bitcoin is really bad for them but when it boosts, they invest even more. If any bad news comes up, btc market shakes up and eventually crashes down causing panic but when things work in favor of bitcoin, 1/4th of the % of people who leave btc, join it.

I mean there is a reason behind this. A lot of Bitcoin traders use technical analysis- a strategy where you base your orders and transactions based off of actual factors (anticipating a price increase after Greece, and a decrease during XT debates, for example). In addition, you have everyone else who holds Bitcoin. Most people are hodling for years to come, but for weak-stomached investors, something bad could mean cashing out, at least partially.
1300  Other / Meta / Re: What is theymos's updated stance on XT? on: August 26, 2015, 02:47:46 AM

  • Create a proposal that has no significant opposition. A proposal has significant opposition if it is strongly opposed by any of: one Bitcoin Core committer, one large exchange or company (Coinbase, etc.), a few generally-recognized Bitcoin experts, several smaller but still economically-important companies, or a large group of ordinary users who have reasonable arguments and are willing and able to exert some real economic force. (The underlined groups are the ones with clearly-significant opposition as I currently see things.) This means that it's very difficult to do controversial hardforks. That's the point. You need to get consensus -- that is, make a hardfork non-controversial -- in order to do it.

Yes, absolutely, I agree completely. if we want a truly consensus and decentralized Bitcoin, we must give lone third parties the absolute power to veto any and all changes. Yes! This is the answer Bitcoin needs! /s

By this logic, Blockstream could maintain a 1MB block limit and force Bitcoin users worldwide to use their service.
Actually they can't. Blockstream doesn't even offer a service yet, so they aren't considered a large company or exchange. They would count as a smaller but still economically important company. If they were the only ones who opposed a block size increase, then they do not count as several companies (just one company) so they would be disregarded provided that everyone else in that list agrees with the change.

I suppose that's true, but Theymos' propositions are still incredibly harsh on any change whatsoever. Blockstream alone wouldn't be able to stop any progress, but several companies with the same intentions as Blockstream could (and there are several companies with the same intentions).

Theymos obviously has some sort of self interest in the whole debate, or he wouldn't be so god damn opposed to any change at all (I mean just look at his statements on the reddit). He has a rough history (wasn't he just uncovered to be laundering money through some donation?) and I really wish he didn't have so much power in the community.
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