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Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: DAE think drugs, porn and gambling w/ BTC should discouraged?
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on: February 16, 2011, 02:40:37 PM
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davout:
Let me explain in detail why your stance is wrong for the future of Bitcoin.
There are many levels on which you can fight for freedom and fuck government. However you are not fighting on the correct level. The levels are:
LEVEL 1 "Script Kiddie" : <- You are here
- FUUUUUUUUUU GOOOO DIE GOVERNMENT, WE ARE SOOOO GONNA KICK YOUR ASS WITH BITCOIN. BRING IT ON, BITCH ! Attack government in a frontal assault, and lose (governments are prepared for that). Bitcoin stays underground currency for the next 30 years.
LEVEL 2 "Patient soldier": <- I am here
- Devise a basic strategy. Be cautious, careful, patient. Work slow, don't attract too much attention, popularize bitcoin among various traders & exchangers, and later, before government(s) realizes, there will be no turning back from Bitcoin becoming a world currency.
LEVEL 3 "General":
- Devise a "masterplan" for popularizing Bitcoin. Have a net of highly organized group of people, who do the promotion of Bitcoin in background in different countries. Have lobbysts, contacts in press & some PR guys. When you gain enough critical mass, attack with full power and consistently march towards absolute victory.
you are funny. You are not even childish. You're mad. This is madness. If you think that Bitcoin is ever going to take off with "I am the fraudulent currency used by mobs, sex-slave traders, drug & arms dealers" label written all over it, then you must be mad. I was hoping to save for my retirement in Bitcoin, now i see that was a stupid idea. |
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Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: DAE think drugs, porn and gambling w/ BTC should discouraged?
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on: February 16, 2011, 02:32:04 PM
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OK, I used all the time i had for this discussion, so the same as last time - nobody is convincing anybody here.
After this forum is destroyed (which will surely happen the way you are thinking now - no doubt about it), I will start my own with rules against trading prostitution, drugs, arms etc.
BTW,
I also offered to host a mirror, so i know what I am talking about - mirror is not the same thing as the real deal.
Peace.
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Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: DAE think drugs, porn and gambling w/ BTC should discouraged?
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on: February 16, 2011, 02:24:13 PM
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1. Yes, but you are not going to find a host which accepts arms, prostitution AND drugs at one time, because such host does not exist.
Every country in the world bans either some drugs OR prostitution OR pornography OR illegal arms OR gambling.
In many legislations (Scandinavian countries for example) server admins aren't responsible for illegal forum threads. 1. Perhaps in theory this may work, but i want to see it with my own eyes to believe it... Especially after the US government pushes to the "Scandinavian countries" to do something , like they did with Assange. 2. Still, this will be extremely bad for the publicity of Bitcoin... it will be like saying "hey, we think trading XXX, YYY and ZZZ is OK, and this is what we created Bitcoin for". You are pushing weapons right into governments' hands... |
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Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: DAE think drugs, porn and gambling w/ BTC should discouraged?
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on: February 16, 2011, 02:19:43 PM
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davout:
Let me explain in detail why your stance is wrong for the future of Bitcoin.
There are many levels on which you can fight for freedom and fuck government. However you are not fighting on the correct level. The levels are:
LEVEL 1 "Script Kiddie" : <- You are here
- FUUUUUUUUUU GOOOO DIE GOVERNMENT, WE ARE SOOOO GONNA KICK YOUR ASS WITH BITCOIN. BRING IT ON, BITCH ! Attack government in a frontal assault, and lose (governments are prepared for that). Bitcoin stays underground currency for the next 30 years.
LEVEL 2 "Patient soldier": <- I am here
- Devise a basic strategy. Be cautious, careful, patient. Work slow, don't attract too much attention, popularize bitcoin among various traders & exchangers, and later, before government(s) realizes, there will be no turning back from Bitcoin becoming a world currency.
LEVEL 3 "General":
- Devise a "masterplan" for popularizing Bitcoin. Have a net of highly organized group of people, who do the promotion of Bitcoin in background in different countries. Have lobbysts, contacts in press & some PR guys. When you gain enough critical mass, attack with full power and consistently march towards absolute victory.
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Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: DAE think drugs, porn and gambling w/ BTC should discouraged?
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on: February 16, 2011, 02:05:59 PM
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So, If IRC is so good (or even better than this forum), then why not trade arms, drugs etc there ?
Firearms are legal in the US, some drugs in the netherlands, prostitution is legal in some countries. Bitcoin is money for the free, the forum just reflects that, the way it's run is not mine to define, but I nonetheless agree with its rules. There is always a starting point to censorship, but there's never an ending point... Why not ban everything remotely controversial ? (...) The forum would just change host. 1. Yes, but you are not going to find a host which accepts arms, prostitution AND drugs at one time, because such host does not exist. Every country in the world bans either some drugs OR prostitution OR pornography OR illegal arms OR gambling. Porn and gambling can be legal.
Drugs and fire arms sales can be too. It's all relative. 2. It is relative but not everything, at one time in any single country. Check #1 I could care less about those topics. But if someone up high catches wind of drug sales going on here, it will bring a lot of unneeded attention and problems.
Attention is always in favor of bitcoin. Yes, it is always in favor of bitcoin becoming an underground currency. But i doubt that everyone here wants it to stay being underground currency for the next 3 decades. This board is important for the long haul of the bitcoin community and the continued technical development of the system, and it would be foolish to lose that because we couldn't make a few rules on what can or cannot be sold here.
Technical development mostly happens on github and IRC, and that's only counting the main client. Still, technical development does nothing without publicity & "mainstreamness". To people who are unhappy, uncomfortable with the way this forum is being run, it is your right to feel that way, but you'll always get better results and general satisfaction by using your own freedom to make something that suits you (start a new forum with your rules, emphasize on what *you* feel is important, have links from this forum to yours etc.) instead of asking for other's freedom to be limited.
Very short-sighted statement. - If we ban sale of something, only the freedom of a small group of people will be limited. - If this forum is closed, then EVERYBODY's (who uses Bitcoin) freedom is limited. How come you cannot see that ? |
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Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: DAE think drugs, porn and gambling w/ BTC should discouraged?
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on: February 16, 2011, 01:58:22 PM
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Disagreed. This forum is the central hub of community - meeting place of everything that relates to Bitcoin.
If we ever want this currency to go mainstream, we should not let it die.
Stuff happens on IRC. This forum is nice to have but definitely not critical. I'm willing to bet over 90% of those who use the internet don't use IRC, and will never want to. Exactly. This is the "mainstream factor". Just to be clear: IRC is not mainstream. It's viewed as a geeky thing by majority of people. If you destroy the main forum, people who don't use IRC or TOR, simply will not use Bitcoin. |
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Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: DAE think drugs, porn and gambling w/ BTC should discouraged?
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on: February 16, 2011, 01:11:25 PM
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Disagreed. This forum is the central hub of community - meeting place of everything that relates to Bitcoin.
If we ever want this currency to go mainstream, we should not let it die.
Stuff happens on IRC. This forum is nice to have but definitely not critical. Well, surely not critical. But still, very nice to have  So, If IRC is so good (or even better than this forum), then why not trade arms, drugs etc there ? |
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Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: DAE think drugs, porn and gambling w/ BTC should discouraged?
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on: February 16, 2011, 01:06:18 PM
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I’m fine with drugs and porn. Why would you impose arbitrary moral dogmas on free individuals? It’s demand and supply.
Again: This has nothing to with morals. It is about reputation & mainstream market penetration. Except for real crime like theft, murder etc. – but I don’t think anyone would buy or sell such "services".
Hey, stop. If "no morals", then why not theft, murder ? What's wrong with it ? [/irony] However, the only reasonable thing that can be done could be banning illegal arms, drugs & explosives trading on this forum, because there is probably no country in the world which will lawfully allow hosting of such content.
So letting whole forum die (or making it TOR-only) just to allow few people trade some illegal stuff is IMHO not very smart.
the forum isn't that precious, if it dies, it dies and a new one will emerge. the market is more precious. Disagreed. This forum is the central hub of community - meeting place of everything that relates to Bitcoin. If we ever want this currency to go mainstream, we should not let it die. If it becomes TOR-only, market penetration will be serveral times smaller than otherwise, and it can take decades for BTC to become mainstream. |
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Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Ignite! Amherst talk about Bitcoin
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on: February 16, 2011, 11:33:58 AM
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Excellent job, well done Sir ! Arnold & Chuck Norris approve this:  Well, i noticed some trauma, but still it was an awesome presentation ! If you train some more, you can become the official Bitcoin's PR face (no need to hire another PR guy). |
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Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Maximum number of bitcoins
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on: February 16, 2011, 10:37:13 AM
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... this is not a hard limit, and the protocol/client can be upgraded in future versions to support even 128 digits of precision
The world will have changed in unimaginable ways if ever Bitcoin gets to the point of needing more precision. + 1 I should print this out and put it on the wall over my desk. |
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Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Maximum number of bitcoins
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on: February 16, 2011, 09:20:35 AM
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According to my understanding of bitcoin and to gavin, you cannot infinitely divide a bitcoin. Thus, the maximum of possible BTC units is 2.1 quadrillion.
I'm thus trying to think about what we could do if we want more units. (currently, it's a pure intellectual challenge for the sake of it).
Well, i think i remember Gavin (or maybe it was somebody else ?) saying some time ago, that this is not a hard limit, and the protocol/client can be upgraded in future versions to support even 128 digits of precision. Isn't this right, Gavin ? |
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Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: DAE think drugs, porn and gambling w/ BTC should discouraged?
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on: February 16, 2011, 09:09:30 AM
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Drugs are illegal, porn is NSFW, and gambling is a scam. Is there anything that can be done to reduce the impact of these things on the reputation of the community without outright banning their discussion?
No. Nothing like this can or should be done. It's called freedom of speech, bro. Perhaps a no-rules subforum not indexed by search engines and "not affiliated with the project" could be added?
What for ? Whole Bitcoin forum is already like that ;P ---- However, the only reasonable thing that can be done could be banning illegal arms, drugs & explosives trading on this forum, because there is probably no country in the world which will lawfully allow hosting of such content. So letting whole forum die (or making it TOR-only) just to allow few people trade some illegal stuff is IMHO not very smart. |
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Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Best practice for fast transaction acceptance - how high is the risk?
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on: February 15, 2011, 05:33:26 PM
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I feel most scaling-related discussions seems to gravitate toward the network needing "supernodes", maybe not in name but in practice anyway. Supernodes very efficiently spread data across the network, for one, and they make it much less likely we will have too many hops.
The problem with these of course are trust, its easy to control the network if you control too much cpu-power or connections.
In the future, large corporations & countries are likely to become such supernodes. And competition between them should guarantee BTC network neutrality & independence. There also will be other super-powerful nodes of hardcore geeks, hackers & "cyber-freedom-fighters", so i don't think that any of the major players will be able to take over most of the network for himself, not for long at least. |
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Bitcoin / Wallet software / Re: !! new bitcoin client !!
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on: February 15, 2011, 01:34:21 PM
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Yes, but this option is ultimately annoying, because i can't have both GUI and daemon running.
Yes, you can. Run Bitcoin with the -server switch. Wonderful ! Thx. How come i didn't know that ? |
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Economy / Economics / Re: Sniff ... do you smell smoke?
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on: February 15, 2011, 09:16:46 AM
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Oil prices seem much more interesting to me:  Look at the mid-2008. See resemblance ? USA economy is largely supported by cheap oil. If the oil ever goes again to over-130 dollars, there is very high probabilty of next crisis because it will suffocate the economy. If it goes over 140, then financial depression is almost inevitable. And the oil is over $100 and still keeps rising... |
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