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1541  Economy / Exchanges / Re: mtgox.com has blocked my account with 45 000 USD in it! on: March 02, 2011, 03:30:37 PM
Shadow, did you ever think that it's none of your damn business, anyway?

What do you mean that it is not my business ?
I'm using MTGOX, so it is my business.

How am i supposed to trust somebody who doesn't give a duck about what his clients think of him ?

Would you expect any other financial institution to inform you on the matters of another person's account? We're lucky he's even keeping us posted how he is and not only speaking with Baron privately. Did you ever think that Mt. Gox has a life/business/family to soak up his time instead of sitting on the bitcoin forum answering all of your questions?

Some people.... It's been a fucking week. He's told you all he knows about Barons transactions, and is trying to reach Baron further. He reiterated this morning what he knows and what he's trying to do. Give it some time. Go outside.

I would expect that somebody who cares if people trust his company would be much more explanatory and helpful.
When you run a business such as this and you're taking it seriously, you care about that.

But it's clear now that mtgox does not.


Shadow, did you ever think that it's none of your damn business, anyway? Would you expect any other financial institution to inform you on the matters of another person's account? We're lucky he's even keeping us posted how he is and not only speaking with Baron privately. Did you ever think that Mt. Gox has a life/business/family to soak up his time instead of sitting on the bitcoin forum answering all of your questions?

Some people.... It's been a fucking week. He's told you all he knows about Barons transactions, and is trying to reach Baron further. He reiterated this morning what he knows and what he's trying to do. Give it some time. Go outside.

+1

It's all about transparency & actually caring what your clients think about you.
It's not the first time that mtgox refused to show that where it was needed.

It looks to me as if mtgox does not care about his clients or his reputation at all.
1542  Economy / Exchanges / Re: mtgox.com has blocked my account with 45 000 USD in it! on: March 02, 2011, 03:09:13 PM
mtgox is not an unknown personm he is not anonymous. And everything is very much linked to his bank account, such that it is linked to his real life identity.

This means that if mtgox were a scammer he's either a brilliant James Bond villian or an idiot. I think that it is highly unlikely that he's a scammer given how easy it would be for hundreds, or possibly thousands of people to go after him legally in real life.

I hope you are not infering that I said Mtgox is a scammer, because I'm not saying that and I don't think that is the case.  But also bear in mind that everything you just said also applies completely to a Mr. Bernard Madoff.  The original poster, on the other hand, DID level that accusation and Mtgox has not said a word that really explains the problem after one week, nor has MtGox explained WHY it has not said anything.  To me, the latter is more problematic than the former.  What is your explanation for that Nefario?

I have just accused mtgox of being a scammer and running a shady business. God, i may have actually insulted him (on purpose).

A normal, non-scammer person would be outraged and would start posting like hell explaining wtf is going on, or even attacking my behaviour. Especially that mtgox's profits are strtictly dependant on his reputation on this forum, as this is the hub of Bitcoin community.

But no, he behaves exactly as a person with unclear conscience would behave.
Mtgox may not be a scammer, but i believe he is not "clean" either. If you are 100% honest, have nothing to hide, and you run a business, it is in your deepest interest to talk, explain, be helpful.

Mtgox does not do that however, which means, that with high probability he is guilty of something.

So what are you hiding from us, mtgox ?
1543  Economy / Exchanges / Re: mtgox.com has blocked my account with 45 000 USD in it! on: March 02, 2011, 02:34:47 PM
mtgox is not an unknown personm he is not anonymous. And everything is very much linked to his bank account, such that it is linked to his real life identity.

This means that if mtgox were a scammer he's either a brilliant James Bond villian or an idiot. I think that it is highly unlikely that he's a scammer given how easy it would be for hundreds, or possibly thousands of people to go after him legally in real life.

You never know, life may surprise you.

Anyway, even if he is not a scammer, he behaves like one. And that certainly doesn't help his case.
1544  Economy / Exchanges / Re: mtgox.com has blocked my account with 45 000 USD in it! on: March 02, 2011, 02:10:57 PM
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We are left having to assume that baron is in fact person B. baron’s account on mtgox holds less than the sum of theft by person B.

I'm pretty sure he means that he is retaking funds stolen from himself and from people who's funds he was holding. I guess it could be a tad more clear.

If MtGox and its customers were robbed of tens of thousand of dollars and no one was told, that alone is reason for great concern, isn't it?  I remember a month or so back when someone lost a few hundred dollars due to "bad passwords" or something.  Even THAT was never fully explained but I was satisfied that it happened on just one account and MtGox gave the guy half his money back, a few hundred dollars and the guy posted he was happy. 

Interesting. Can you post a link to the thread ?
1545  Economy / Exchanges / OK, this is getting annoying. Will everybody start talking in detail ? on: March 02, 2011, 01:42:49 PM
mtgox:

You were online again, yet not talking. This does not look good and certainly does not help your trustworthiness, you realize that ?

Now I am starting to think that you and Baron are simply both scammers, but on a different levels and that is the reason for "shadiness" of this topic.

EDIT:
An explanation what exactly is happening now would be extremely helpful. Questions:
- When will you release Baron's account from lockdown ?
- What exactly do you plan to do now ?
- WTF are you doing now that you are so busy you can't answer me in this topic ?

EDIT2:
I also sent you 2 PM's. None of it is answered.
1546  Economy / Exchanges / Re: mtgox.com has blocked my account with 45 000 USD in it! on: March 02, 2011, 01:00:29 PM
Baron, at the least, tell us your nationality.
I don't going to reval any other info that is not conected to case.

Ok, either you upload all your credentials in a HQ scan right now, or I'm officially adding you to my scammer list.
I don't know - passport scan, ID scan, full credentials, anything. (Some unimportant details on the scan can be blurred).


You want me to just keep posting that over and over? There wont be anything new to say until baron gives me more info.

One more thing:

You know what is your problem, mtgox ? You behave exactly as a "long-term scam" exchange owner would behave on this forum.
You don't talk, you don't give out any details, yet you want us to simply trust you.

Not to say about shady site without terms of service, no security faq, nothing.
You want us to trust you more than Baron ? You start giving much more details than he does.

However, I am almost convinced that Baron is indeed a scammer.
1547  Economy / Exchanges / Re: mtgox.com has blocked my account with 45 000 USD in it! on: March 02, 2011, 12:40:24 PM
Paypal blocked his account,

Any evidence for that ?

1548  Economy / Exchanges / Re: mtgox.com has blocked my account with 45 000 USD in it! on: March 02, 2011, 12:31:50 PM
ShadowOfHarbringer: What more do you want me to say then this:

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Here is a more complete rundown of what happened with the baron account.
(...)
You want me to just keep posting that over and over?

Yes, that is exactly what i wanted you to do.
Because you see, if you haven't responded for 4 days, that looked as if you didn't care.

You did the same in the "rounding bugs" thread, and i certainly didn't like it.

Hint: If you don't have time to do it yourself, hire a "PR person" a "people person" or something, i don't know.
Just talk to us.


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There wont be anything new to say until baron gives me more info.

At last some progress. OK, so you confirm that Baron haven't contacted you.
So why don't you guys talk publicly in a separate thread so everybody can see ?
This could fix the spoiled blood.

I don't know if it is possible to make a thread "private", so only Baron & mtgox can write in it, and the rest of people can only watch ?.
1549  Economy / Exchanges / Re: mtgox.com has blocked my account with 45 000 USD in it! on: March 02, 2011, 06:54:08 AM
Baron's words are mostly just that, words. We are able to know a few things, but not prove much of anything. It doesn't help that he forget important key details. It doesn't help that he's supposedly a mute, which is not proven.

Oh don't worry about that, i don't trust Baron at all.
I just don't like mtgox's attitude. He could be much more helpful on the forums and he could give a duck about what people say here, but he is not / does not.

BTW, Baron's writing style is very similiar to a typical nigerian scammer, but of course that can come from insufficient english skill. Still, very suspicious.
1550  Economy / Exchanges / Re: mtgox.com has blocked my account with 45 000 USD in it! on: March 02, 2011, 06:12:45 AM
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We are left having to assume that baron is in fact person B. baron’s account on mtgox holds less than the sum of theft by person B.

I'm pretty sure he means that he is retaking funds stolen from himself and from people who's funds he was holding. I guess it could be a tad more clear.

Exactly what i mean, it could be much less shady.
1551  Economy / Exchanges / Re: mtgox.com has blocked my account with 45 000 USD in it! on: March 02, 2011, 06:02:08 AM
Are you telling me you wouldn't take back your own money if you hadn't previously stated that it was your policy to take back your own money?

Funny thing is, that MTGOX didn't clearly state if that were his money or not.
He is keeping us in the dark, and i don't like that. I'm getting pissed off.

EDIT:
Mtgox really has the nasty habit of not caring/not responding to what people say on the forum, he seriously needs to change that.
He also doesn't care about some important details (rounding bugs, lack of terms of service and now this), which is making me nervous.

I'm starting to think that mtgox's site might be a long-term scam strategy or something. And unless he fucking shows up in this thread and starts talking just *ANYTHING*, i will become more and more suspicious.
1552  Economy / Exchanges / Re: mtgox.com has blocked my account with 45 000 USD in it! on: March 02, 2011, 06:00:59 AM
Also, this thread is really getting annoying.

mtgox & baron: Why don't you guys just discuss in the open so everybody can see it ?
Perhaps make new topic for it or something.

Also, i really don't like the fact that mtgox is not responding in this thread at all - it's getting more and more suspicious. First he didn't take seriously when people told him about the rounding bugs, now this. Not good, not good at all...
1553  Economy / Exchanges / Re: mtgox.com has blocked my account with 45 000 USD in it! on: March 02, 2011, 05:52:38 AM
Also, i don't like the "judge, jury and executioner" approach shown by mtgox.
In what way has mtgox acted as judge, jury or executioner?  He came over a heap of stolen money, and blocked the account while the investigation goes on.  Would there be any other sensible thing to do?  Any other legal options?  If mtgox do something illegal here, like releasing the account with stolen funds before the matter is completely resolved, we are all at risk of loosing everything we have on mtgox.
If he has strong , I repeat very strong proof that I am that "thief", so he must go to police and provide that proof to them, and only with police permission he can block money
You can read the proof in this thread.  It is damning evidence, and mtgox doesn't need more than that to block your account.  In most jurisdictions a bank or exchange has to block the account when stolen money get transferred to it.  VISA, MasterCard, PayPal and your bank would do the exact same thing without waiting for the police.  They are not allowed to let the thief run away with the stolen money.  You claim to have lawyers, but I doubt it.

Still, what MTGOX did is far from lawful/good/just. You see, on mtgox.com page, there are no terms of service, no anti-scam policy, nothing. When users register, they do not agree to anything ! So mtgox had no damn right to do anythyng, *INCLUDING* any freezing funds !
And not only that, mtgox is not even a fucking bank. So if Baron is really innocent, and sues mtgox, this will end very badly for mtgox (and possibly Bitcoin's reputation may suffer because of that a little).

Time to look for another exchange i guess ?
1554  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: Liquid cooling HD5970 on: March 01, 2011, 07:18:10 PM
Another thing: WAF!

I have a liquid cooled miner.  It is dead silent,  but the main point is that it heats our bathroom floor.  Pictures says more than words, so I attached a few.

(image) My computer. An oldish Athlon64 X2 in a cabinet from a previous century.  Sorry about the mess.  The cabinet is usually closed for optimal airflow.  You see the water tube entering at the bottom, water passing through the 5970 water block (the shop were sold out of nipples fitting my tubing, and put in some 1/2" tubing and adapters, so it is a bit messy in there), then through my CPU block before heated water leaves at the top.  The direction has a purpose.  If I start the computer with no pump, the water will flow by itself due to convection.  Convection isn't enough for cooling the 5970 as well, so the pump must be running when mining.  And compare the size of the stock cooler in the lower right corner with the water block.  The card is now half as thick, and the PCI socket next to it is usable again!

(image) Tubes going up through the roof above.  This is not finished.  I'll make better connectors closer to the ceiling and box them in later.  The thing on the tube to the right is a flow indicator.  The cable coming out of the same hole and going to a RJ45 socket (not connected yet), connects a series of temperature sensors embedded in the floor and walls, and a temperature and humidity sensor next to the fan in the bathroom.

(image) Tubes under my bathroom floor and one of the temperature sensors (inside a blue shrink hose).  This is now buried in cement and covered with nice tiles.

Reservoir where the water returns.  Inside there is a small pump (300 l/min, 0.5m head), which keeps the water flow going and bubbles out of the tubes.  Water level inside here is 0-level.  In the tubes above the water level in the reservoir, there is actually a vacuum, and the water pressure inside my computer is low.

The best thing about my water cooling and floor heating is that my wife keeps nagging me to buy a second 5970 to make the floor warmer.  Beat this with a air cooled system. :-)

WOW, this is probably the most awesome thing of the century.
Respect.
1555  Economy / Exchanges / Re: mtgox.com has blocked my account with 45 000 USD in it! on: March 01, 2011, 05:52:10 PM
I'm thinking the same. If this matter will not be resolved soon, my trust in MTGOX will not stay intact i guess...

If MtGox is not able to contact Baron, why would your trust in MtGox be affected?

Has mtgox responded here and said "hey, i'm still unable to contact baron" ?
Baron said he is sending documents to mtgox, so i guess that would mean they contacted each other already.

Also, i don't like the "judge, jury and executioner" approach shown by mtgox.
1556  Economy / Exchanges / Re: mtgox.com has blocked my account with 45 000 USD in it! on: March 01, 2011, 05:33:43 PM
Many days later...we don't know if the situation is resolved or what? Is Baron refusing to talk to MtGox?

I'm thinking the same. If this matter will not be resolved soon, my trust in MTGOX will not stay intact i guess...
1557  Other / Off-topic / Re: Religions and business on: March 01, 2011, 11:54:57 AM
God created  stalin and mao and any number of serial killers and  human depravity yet he burns you in hell for all eternity for masturbating.

 Smiley

This is only church's stupid interpretation.
Nowhere in new testament it says that masturbating is bad or is a sin /whatever.

Those drivers are buggy...
1558  Other / Off-topic / Re: Religions and business on: February 28, 2011, 04:07:43 PM
Also, you seem to be equating religion with God.  These are two completely different things.  

+ 1

Moving to IT terms (what i like to do very much, because I'm a geek), if God is the hardware, then the religions are the drivers required to access God (and so, people are the software).
Of course, the drivers need maintenance and require tech support (monks, priests etc).

Things can get out of control very quickly because of:
- Buggy drivers (Bad/destructive religions)
- Bad tech support (corrupt priests, abuse of power in religious organizations etc.)
- Incompatibile software (atheists, unbelievers, wrongdoers etc)

Religions != God. These are different layers.

PS.
I know i said i won't join this discussion, but i couldn't stop myself.

PS2.
Also, if you are "technical" enough, nothing stops you from writing your own drivers & accesing God your own way Tongue, just as the geeks do with "normal" hardware.

1559  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Is Satoshi Alive? Thread on: February 28, 2011, 03:03:08 PM
Of course now you may be thinking that I'm "undercover Satoshi" or something (because i defend his right of privacy/anonymity), but i assure you I am not.
1560  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Is Satoshi Alive? Thread on: February 28, 2011, 02:58:43 PM
Maybe it's you, ribuck Wink

Ok, so as I thought, his absence was planned.
So probably he's still alive. That's good.

But haven't he mentioned anything when he will come back ? Will he ever ?
And what were his intentions to go "undercover" ? Not a "leader person" ? Afraid of consequences ? Other projects/real life ?

Oh come on, what a weird question.
I would say there is 99,999999999999% probability that he is browsing this forum under a different name, and very probably posting & making discussions.

I mean what creator would resign completely from watching his creation grow ?
After some time passes, he surely will show up and start developing Bitcoin himself again under different credentials.

The point is, the guy just wants some privacy. And this is good, because that shows clearly that it's not the fame he is after, but ideals. IMHO we should respect that and leave his identity alone.
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