This topic should be closed and thrown out into the trash. Too bad this forum is not too well moderated yet...

AFAIK we are discussing free trade, not free speech. Are these two the same or what ?

I don't believe you even for a second.
Very bad case of false start (or rather: Fail start).

Go scam people on other forums, you are going to have a hard time finding many fools here.

You apparently don't get why do we want to ban selling illegal stuff on this forum. Let me explain this to you.

This forum was founded by bitcoin author, or somebody closely related to him. So if owners of this forum allow prostitution, drugs, pornography etc to be traded here, then governments/courts will view this as clear proof that Bitcoin was designed with thought of doing illegal stuff.

Next step - bitcoin.org domain will be seized as illegal, and its creators will be called "drug dealers", "pimps" or "terrorists".

Let's not make it too easy for governments to shut us down.

Wrong. The other way around.

Dude.
There is no rule which forbids Gypsies from having legal occupations in Poland. Gypsies just are like this (scamming, thieving, begging etc), and they are doing it for centuries. It didn't start yesterday.

I am sorry, but their reputation is VERY well deserved across hundereds of years.
If they want to fix this, they should start to behave according to cultures of the countries they occupy.

If you want a really professional cooling, you should start building something like this:

http://www.pugetsystems.com/submerged.php
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtufuXLvOok

Easiest to maintain, easy to cool (just make a loop with a pump and add a radiator from a car to it).

I planned to do something like this myself, if only i had the cash.

Of course this is easily solvable using GPUs. So not a bottleneck anymore i guess.

Sure, but in my situation believing in racism would be simply idiotic, since I am subjected to racism myself.
I know it hurts, i know what racism is and i know what racism is not.


Still, that does not prove anything. You may be an exception from the rule.
Also while visiting London, i noticed that when Gypsies come to richer countries, they more often start having legal occupations (i personally rented room from a Gypsie in London). Perhaps they just treat my country as a temporary stop on the way to western countries, who knows.

And no matter how long we discuss here, 99% gypsies in my country (Poland) still don't have a legal occupation, and this is an undisputable fact.

We shouldn't disagree since I'm talkiing about the same thing, just using different words. Well, perhaps I'm not making myself clear enough.

Well said, Sir.
Promoting prostitution, drugs & other illegal buisnesses should be totally banned on this forum.

Let's focus on creating a legit, stable currency, and leave other things to other places.

I like Gavin's idea much better than some proprietary PDF certificate which seems to be some sort of weirdness, which people will probably perceive as even more geeky than bitcoin.

Theoretically cool idea, however this could create big, government-related problems for the forum owner if somebody starts to sell prostitution, drugs or other stuff there.
So the safest place for such thing is probably TOR.

I do not despise any "group", so your assumption is invalid. I don't like certain "traditions".
There is no point in despising a group of people, since
a) not everybody in a group is like the rest of the group
b) people can change their culture - if they want to of course


You're not listening. I'am not wishing for anybody or any group to be "rounded up" anywhere anytime.

I'm just making an observation. Gypsies JUST DON"T WORK LEGALLY here. IT SIMPLY ALMOST DOES NOT HAPPEN. Deal with it.
They just don't integrate at all. They beg, steal, lie, scam 99,9% of the time. And i don't need any statistics to confirm that. Just ask **anybody** in my country. Go make a street survey and ask people if they have seen legally working gypsie. You will be surprised (or not).

Perhaps there is a way to fix their culture, but at the moment I have no ideas.
Also, some gypsies leave their culture and live like a "normal people", but VAST majority do not.

It's actually quite absurd to call me racist, because I myself am not white and in my country i have suffered a lot because of racism. But of course you cannot know that so it is not your fault.
I understand perfectly what racism is and what it is not, because i have felt it on my own skin.

What I am saying is that it does **not** matter what **RACE** gypsies are. It's just their culture which makes them do illegal stuff.
In my 30-year long life i have almost NEVER seen a gypsie having a legal occupation in my country, and believe me - there are a lot of gypsies here.

99,9% gypsies i know are either professional beggers, thiefs or scammers. In my whole life **MAYBE** i have seen **ONE** gypsie working legally somewhere some time ago, but i don't remember correctly now. So just imagine how many of them have illegal occupations comparing to legal ones.

Nice try, but i don't believe this even for a second.

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PS. If any of you is careless enough to actually go to Romania or something, I strongly advise against it...
Romania is full of gypsies. If this is a real scammer from Romania, there is 99,999% probability that you will get robbed or kidnapped if you go there...

Believe me, i live in a country where there is a lot of gypsies, and they usually engage in such illegal stuff.

Well actually, I'm Polish.
I know a lot of "normal" people, and most of them doesn't know said math prefixes.


Well, this is a valid point.
Still, i think my way is more intuitive.

Bitcoin is a difficult, geeky thing enough itself, and now you want to tech people mathematic notations ?
This is madness. It will take people ages to learn that (i mean majority of "normal" people).

Notation proposed by me is better simply because it is more intuitive by orders of magnitude than "mili", "micro", "nano" and such (which "normal", non-geeky people do not know). These are simply too "geeky" to be accepted & easily understood by general population.
Also AFAIK, these notations were never used in currency. Currencies have their own names for everything. So should bitcoin.

This is a simple matter:
If you want to make Bitcoin difficult - use the metrics notation.
If you want to make Bitcoin easily understandable & intiutive - use my (or similiar) notation.

Go on - ask your mother what "micro", "nano" and "mili" means. I wonder if she knows.

A "workable default" will only work for some time. And looking and current rally, not very long time.
It would be better to make an algorithm instead. Perhaps one based on weighed average trade size.

If you have nothing to hide and you're 100% real, then you simply show what you have. It is that simple. If US really had the gold, they would show it and allow experts to scan it, because that would strengthten te belief in US gov & US power in other nations. But they are not doing it for decades, which means they have something to hide.

Also, there is simply no country in the world with enough balls to call the bluff on US.

Yeah, todays encryption capabilities can make your home a digital Fort Knox, so why use banks ?
This is exactly the reason why bitcoin is so awesome.