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1901  Economy / Economics / Re: Will occasional losses of bitcoin wallets limit available maximum bitcoins? on: December 25, 2010, 07:59:45 PM
Bitcoins are never lost. just that the key is lost in the ocean somewhere.

One day, some guy might get very very very lucky to find a key to a vault full of bitcoin.

You mean by brute-forcing private key of the wallet owner or what ?
1902  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Variation on: December 25, 2010, 07:57:24 PM
I have a question. Why do you think nobody made a variation on bitcoin, let's say bytecoin or something?

It is difficult for just "somebody" to gain enough trust on the interwebs to just start a fork of bitcoin.
A value of currency is directly proportional of trust that people put in that currency.

Currently, people trust Satoshi. To start an alternative currency, you have to gain trust and build your reputation, which is very difficult. And before that, you need to convince people why they should use your currency, not some other currency.
1903  Other / Off-topic / Re: Loom currency. What is it? on: December 24, 2010, 04:37:10 PM
Still, you have to know how many coins he has, otherwise the transaction will be invalid. Am i rigth ?
So this makes things insanely difficult.
But with bitcoin, everyone can see how much coins are 'owned' by an address, and as the address is the public key, I guess it's simple to generate from the private key that you guessed.

I might be wrong though.


Well, you can have multiple addresses and receive money to the other one, so probably no.
And the address is not exactly the same as public key, is it ?
1904  Other / Off-topic / Re: send out your women on: December 24, 2010, 11:54:17 AM
hey why you guys haven't attacked iranian people too? im starting to feel you guys are a bit rascist. thx

I suppose this thread is the display of our stupidity.

Why so serious ? Wink

hey why you guys haven't attacked iranian people too? im starting to feel you guys are a bit rascist. thx

I suppose this thread is the display of our stupidity.

or just a joke. and has no real representation of the views of the people on this forum.  Some people like black humor.

+1
1905  Other / Off-topic / Re: Loom currency. What is it? on: December 24, 2010, 11:53:23 AM
Will the private key be enough to steal somebody's wallet ?
It's enough to be able to spend the coins associated to one address.

Still, you have to know how many coins he has, otherwise the transaction will be invalid. Am i rigth ?
So this makes things insanely difficult.

Either you try to brute force private keys with simultaneous sending small amounts, which won't be very profittable, or you can try big amounts and risk producing invalid transactions.
1906  Other / Off-topic / Re: Loom currency. What is it? on: December 24, 2010, 01:20:06 AM

I think they can, but knowing a Bitcoin address won't give you the money it posesses.
Knowing the asset's address in Loom will.

Erm, guess private key to bitcoin address?

Will the private key be enough to steal somebody's wallet ?

1907  Economy / Economics / Re: Questions about Gold, brainstorming on: December 24, 2010, 12:32:51 AM
I concede with Peter Schiff and Gerald Celente, which are among the very few economists who have successfully forseen current financial crisis (google it). Well, Celente actually has like a 20-year long history of valid forecasts.

From their opinions, one might conclude that some terrible financial disaster is coming, one which has not been seen in the history of mankind probably.
Perhaps the perpetual circle of self - fueling debt will create something very unexpected.... Unexpected even for the banksters who probably caused the current crisis.

I hope that this future event will create a chance for Bitcoin to adopt widely.

Also, i wouldn't invest in Gold, since it is usually overpriced and suspectible to price spikes as everybody wants it and it is advertised as a remedy for the crisis. I would rather go silver, platinum which are more stable and predictable. Of course the last currency i would ever choose is dollar.
1908  Other / Off-topic / Re: Loom currency. What is it? on: December 24, 2010, 12:27:26 AM

Assets are a random hashes, just like bitcoin addresses are. How does loom protect people from guessing assets at random, if somebody for example trues to guess one trillion assets per second ?

Can't people do the same with bitcoin addresses?

I think they can, but knowing a Bitcoin address won't give you the money it posesses.
Knowing the asset's address in Loom will.
1909  Other / Off-topic / Re: Loom currency. What is it? on: December 24, 2010, 12:18:00 AM
I have just read the FAQ ( https://loom.cc/faq ), and there is one thing i don't understand...

Assets are a random hashes, just like bitcoin addresses are. How does loom protect people from guessing assets at random, if somebody for example trues to guess one trillion assets per second ?
There will be a small possibility of guessing correct. Is there a limitation of how many assets can an entity request per unit of time ?
1910  Other / Off-topic / Re: send out your women on: December 23, 2010, 11:45:37 PM
Come on guys, why can't you just admit that women are less interested in this kind of stuffs ?  To me it's not sexism, it is just realism.

Women have a lower tendancy to be interested in pretty much anything.  Whether it is art, sport, games, science, whatever...  Almost all cultural movements have been initiated by men.

I see two ways the sex ratio on this forum could reach 1:1 :

1.  some people on this forum will create fake female members just in order to defeat what I've just written ;
2.  bitcoin would have gone mainstream ;


This is sooooo obligatory...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LS37SNYjg8w

Women, know your limits.
1911  Other / Off-topic / Re: Mastercard will suspend payments to P2P sites on: December 23, 2010, 09:23:57 PM
They are private companies. They get to accept or deny whoever they like.

Actually after giving it some thought, i think the free market's "They are private companies. They get to accept or deny whoever they like" approach is no longer valid.
The reason for this is that when government is involved, we are no longer talking about free market.

And the Mastercard's decision is purely political, so it has actually nothing to do with free market.
This is what happens when government's start to mess in the economy.
1912  Other / Off-topic / Re: Mastercard will suspend payments to P2P sites on: December 23, 2010, 06:40:16 PM
They are private companies. They get to accept or deny whoever they like.

You are right. But there is not a lot of choice around... In most banks there is only Visa or Mastercard, so it is a nasty oligopoly.
If VISA starts to doing the same, then we may have a problem.

First they came for the torrents...
Then they came for bitcoin.
1913  Other / Off-topic / Mastercard will suspend payments to P2P sites on: December 23, 2010, 06:10:50 PM
"Two weeks ago, MasterCard felt the wrath of Anonymous Operation Payback-style DDoS attacks after refusing to process payments that were intended to fund WikiLeaks, the website which began leaking confidential US diplomatic cables last month. Now, the company is preparing to head down another controversial path by pledging to deny transactions which support websites that host pirated movies, music, games, or other copyrighted content. MasterCard lobbyists have also been in talks with entertainment industry trade groups, including the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA) and the Motion Picture Association of America (MPAA), and have made it clear that the company will support the Combating Online Infringement and Counterfeits Act (COICA), sources close to the talks have said."

http://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/12/22/2113241/RIAA-MPAA-Recruit-MasterCard-As-Internet-Police

So mastercard will block payments to sites MAFIAA tell him to, WITHOUT a court order.
What's next ? They randomly block accounts of people with a hair color they don't like ?
1914  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Generation in high latency environments, like space. on: December 21, 2010, 09:26:35 PM
Not to mention that Ethernet is limited to 295 feet.

Depends on which physical layer you're using. Ethernet can reach tens of kilometres over single-mode fiber.

Did we land on Mars already, or this is a purely theoretical discussion ? Tongue
1915  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Yes, the Bitcoin.org Site and Forum were Down on: December 21, 2010, 09:23:59 PM
Sirius, would you care to create a no-sensitive-data version of backups so everyone can backup it like wikileaks ?
1916  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Yes, the Bitcoin.org Site and Forum were Down on: December 21, 2010, 08:10:05 PM
Are you planning to make some public site from which other people (such as myself) could download backups ?

The database backups contain private stuff like password hashes (=passwords), PM's and email addresses, so we can't give them out. Only bitcoin.org admins (Satoshi, Gavin, me) have the access.

Ah sure, forgot about that.
Well, there is always a possibility of cutting out all sensitive data from the database to make a public read-only forum backup (nobody will be able to login to it since it would contain no hashes, so just read-only).

But i guess that would be probably too much work.
1917  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Generation in high latency environments, like space. on: December 21, 2010, 08:06:27 PM
Run a really long ethernet cable between the two planets.

Electricity is also limited to the speed of light.
1918  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Generation in high latency environments, like space. on: December 21, 2010, 06:37:55 PM
When we have a (paid for with private investments of bitcoins) settlement on mars.. The average time for commutation between the two planets is 20 minutes.

How can our mars friends generate if they will be too late?
What is the most logical solution?

Well hmmm...

Subspace antennas ? ;P
1919  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Safety protocols using Bitcoin from a cybercafe... on: December 21, 2010, 06:30:59 PM
I myself would not ever dare to do anything serious on cyber cafe's computers. I mean the problem is not only the operating system. They can also install hardware keyloggers or sniffers.... the possibilities are endless.

The only way i imagine it is using my own laptop. Plus a VPN and SSH tunnel of course.
1920  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Bitcoin over GSM on: December 21, 2010, 06:25:07 PM
GSM networks only support well certain sound frequencies, but I'm sure it would be easy to encrypt digital 0s and 1s when using the correct frequency.

It is not "frequency". GSM use very lossy codec (as low as ~6.5kbit/s).

Actually, not only that. The codec they are using only works on low frequency range (11 Khz or something), and the codec is specifically tuned to compress human voice best. It will not carry very high or very low tones properly.
So if you won't use correct frequencies, you will fail.
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