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1561  Other / Off-topic / Re: Religions and business on: February 28, 2011, 02:14:38 PM
«Removing religion issues from marketplace»


Mythology it is. And thus that isn't an attempt to prove any existence of God, but the existence of Jesus. As you may see there isn't even sure the prophet existed, let alone God.
Muslims have an advantage here, at least they've evidence of their prophet existence; just a "tiny issue", if that "Allah thing" is God than the Devil is probably a much better guy than such "God".

OTH, does religion matters on business? Strangely, yes. Very/Extremely religious people have "lots of morals", except their morals applies only "to the others", themselves as "chosen by god" abide by a random twisted morality. Not much from Christians, or to lesser degree, but much part of "belief" on Judaism and Islam. Jews believe themselves to be "chosen", put to radical view and this means all others are their slaves up to contempt the "master's will". Muslims are even more upfront, as the Quran and the Hadeeth supports that rob a non-Muslim is perfectly legit and right.

But in the end, Religion exists in an attempt to control people's dos and don'ts, is a mind-control machine, not much more than that. Even if you put to chance that one of them is right, that ain't good news, as the Gods they carry aren't that nice fellows, but dictators and erratic avengers, bloodthirsty, with ego issues, demanding to be worshiped, etc... like an "Eternal Gaddafi". Whatever such thing creates could be called many things, but "Heaven" isn't one of them.

Sorry, I really don't have the time to discuss this.
Let's say I show my love for all creation by letting you win this thread, OK ?
1562  Economy / Exchanges / Re: mtgox.com has blocked my account with 45 000 USD in it! on: February 28, 2011, 02:11:47 PM
ShadowOfHarbringer and BCEmporium, if you'd care to start a thread in Off Topic I'll be very happy to join in.

Religious discussion doesn't belong here in "Marketplace"

I just get used to the fact that every thread on this forum goes offtopic sooner or later...

(unless you're selling crucifixes for bitcoins).

I think I just invented a new buisness model Cheesy

/Nah, just kidding.
1563  Economy / Exchanges / Re: mtgox.com has blocked my account with 45 000 USD in it! on: February 28, 2011, 09:21:27 AM
More than that, I'm not up to discuss Mythology either.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_Jesus

Mythology my ass...
1564  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Is Satoshi Alive? Thread on: February 28, 2011, 01:43:15 AM
Actually, Satoshi is a robot sent from the future to stop the largest currency crisis in the history of mankind, and the nuclear war that followed the political chaos caused by it.

His name comes from joined names of Japanese corporations who created him, Samsung-Toshiba-Nakamichi-Motorola.
in 2075, these corporations formed a single huge megacorporation, in joined effort to perfect time travel technology.

After they successfully conducted first tests of Future-Vision Hyperdimensional Matrix™ in 2075, and got a glimpse 9 years into the future (2085), they saw the earth being destroyed by a nuclear disaster which was result of war caused by terrible worldwide economical crisis. They were devastated by the things they saw, and they completely commited all of their funds to developing time travel technology & building an intelligent robot which they can send into the past. That was necessary because a glitch in the Time Vortex Plasma-Based Bipulsary Manipulator™ caused any organic matter to be damaged when travelling through the vortex.

They created first working prototype of S.A.T.O.S.H.I. in 2083. Fortunately for us, in January 2084 a stable backward-aligned temporal vortex was created and Satoshi was successfully transported to set coordinates in the past.

And here we go, creating a better future for the mankind.

Where do i buy that book ?

Haven't finished it yet, but when Bitcoin becomes #1 world currency, i might sell screening rights to some movie studio.

The Bitcoin
The Bitcoin - Judgement Day
The Bitcoin - Rise Of The Machines
The Bitcoin - Salvation



It all sounds so......familiar.  Must be because of the messiness involved in time travel.  Time travel creates hyper-distortions in the time-space continuum causing people to have "deja-vus" of things that happened to them already in the future

Either that, or perhaps a glitch in the Matrix (have they started Windows Update again ?).
1565  Economy / Exchanges / Re: mtgox.com has blocked my account with 45 000 USD in it! on: February 27, 2011, 07:01:01 PM
Do not try to impose your way of thinking on the others.

What am I "imposing"?!

You are saying that religion is a scam with absolute certanity as it was undeniable truth. It will not be the truth just because you said so.

So God will not start to exist just because you believe in it.
Believing in God, aliens, Santa, and so is as valid as not believing.

Still, I'm not imposing nothing. Imposing is a thing most of the still alive religions did and do, with ultimate badass guys up to kill you and your family if you don't believe their delusion. Most are a believe it or else... basis because; god is love (and have ego issues).  Grin

OK, whatever - I do not want to start any new complex discussion here, that would be pointless.
1566  Economy / Exchanges / Re: mtgox.com has blocked my account with 45 000 USD in it! on: February 27, 2011, 06:28:30 PM
Do not try to impose your way of thinking on the others.

What am I "imposing"?!

You are saying that religion is a scam with absolute certanity as it was undeniable truth. It will not be the truth just because you said so.
1567  Economy / Exchanges / Re: mtgox.com has blocked my account with 45 000 USD in it! on: February 27, 2011, 06:20:39 PM
fair comments, ok now another try...

Why are we arguing about the state than at all, the state is just a puppet bankers push in our faces as a distraction. Shouldn't we be more concerned about private central banks than? Politicians are just puppets used to distract the mob, are they not?


So is religion and another "mob dope" alike around... gotta give some credit to the scammer who came up with religions; a scam where the victim just finds out to be scammed after death is more than perfect - no complaints filed and the scam rolls, well, has been rolling for more than 8.000 years by now.  Grin

I'm not convinced religion is a scam, but i guess this is not the place for such discussion as such discussion could take months, and still nobody would convince anybody.

Do not try to impose your way of thinking on the others.
1568  Economy / Exchanges / Re: mtgox.com has blocked my account with 45 000 USD in it! on: February 27, 2011, 03:25:26 PM
Bitcoin future is not in black or gray or alternative market. Bitcon's future is in white market and general economy. If some black or gray market outfit goes down I will not shed any tears.

Bitcoin isn't "legal trend" it's tolerated and flies under the radar because it's a rather small parallel economy, 5 mil ain't much on economic terms, so governments doesn't bother much with it nor are up to spend time listen to nerd explaining about it. Make it 1 bln+ economy and you see how fast it goes outlawed.
Now try to shake the waters, put civil courts and lawmakers around it and see what happens also. Depends on the country for starters, Bitcoin being outlawed on Bermudas is totally different than it being outlawed on USA or EU. But don't come believe you are in the "white market", because you aren't.
For make it white you need governments to coop with it, not just say «it's harmless». And law isn't a strict concept, it's a purely relative one; one thing to be lawful or outlaw relies more on the interests of who's in charge than the thing itself.

Fortunately, in some countries people don't give a duck about what is legal and what not, and they will use any way they can, including Bitcoin, to kick their government's ass.
Hopefully, Bitcoin will be as unstoppable as the rest of P2P technology is, and governments unable to fight it will simply accept the fact of its dominance, tolerate it and later - tax it.

I think we will be reaching critical mass soon. After that, there will be no stopping Bitcoin.
Just wait until BTC economy breaks 100.000.000$... Things will get interesting...
1569  Economy / Exchanges / Re: mtgox.com has blocked my account with 45 000 USD in it! on: February 27, 2011, 03:06:14 PM
So anobody got the IRC logs already ?
I would certainly like to see the Baron's trades to verify his side of the story.
1570  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: bubble imminent on: February 27, 2011, 02:57:51 PM
As a new bitcoiner today one of the first mystery's for me was...why is a bitcoin worth so much when there is very little commerce to back it up?

1. I think that the early adopters of gold were also thinking that way. But then, there rose more and more markets for gold-to-goods and backwards exchanges.
Once people start believing that something is valuable, it is only matter of time before others will want to trade stuff for that thing.

2. More markets are being created as we speak. Just look at the "Market" section. They probably need time to unfold wings.

3. Due to the nature of Bitcoin, big, "traditional" financial institutions will be very suspicious & careful when trying to invest in it. So mainstream adoption will probably take some time.

...why is a bitcoin worth so much when there is very little commerce to back it up?
The price is partly driven by future expectations.

Hmmm....

Aren't expectations enough ? After all, price of dollar is driven by expectations only.
People expect that it will be stable & have value, because other people think so, because government said so in the past.

This is pure psychology. No "inherent value" at all.
1571  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: bubble imminent on: February 27, 2011, 12:52:53 PM
Please define "stable prices" and then prove that "stable prices" are even possible when there is more than one person and more than two goods in existence.

There is another name for "price stability", it is called "price controls".  If prices are stable, it is a coincidence and only possible of there are no new developments in any industry, people are born and die at the same rate, and do the same thing tomorrow that they did today and yesterday.

I do not care what you do with a currency it is not possible to maintain stable prices between any other pair of goods.  And if you accept that principle, then trying to maintain a price ratio between the currency and the average of all other goods is down right foolish!  

Ok, then I should define price stability as "abscence of inflation and deflation".

Hm. Not possible AFAIK.
At least it probably haven't happened in history in population larger than a village without any government-enforced regulation.
1572  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Common Law System on: February 27, 2011, 11:55:47 AM
We are (including yourself), kind of. If you haven't noticed.

No, I haven't noticed, unless you're using a very broad definition of government. I'm talking about drafting a contract base for people to use in their trades and letting them decide for themselves how/if they want to make sure both parties conform. There is no top-down element. In fact, I'd argue this would be less of a government than what we currently have here as it would hopefully reduce the mob rule aspects of dispute resolution in favour of whatever means the people actually involved can agree on.

Well, if government = "some number of people elected by someone to impose laws & punishments on the rest of the population", then we are talking about government.

From original kiba's post i concluded that this is what we are discussing here.
1573  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Common Law System on: February 27, 2011, 10:50:08 AM
Government is ok when you opt in voluntarily. The trouble is they never let you opt out and you are forced to pay whether you use the 'service' or not.



Who's talking about government?

We are (including yourself), kind of. If you haven't noticed.
1574  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Is Satoshi Alive? Thread on: February 27, 2011, 10:30:47 AM
Actually, Satoshi is a robot sent from the future to stop the largest currency crisis in the history of mankind, and the nuclear war that followed the political chaos caused by it.

His name comes from joined names of Japanese corporations who created him, Samsung-Toshiba-Nakamichi-Motorola.
in 2075, these corporations formed a single huge megacorporation, in joined effort to perfect time travel technology.

After they successfully conducted first tests of Future-Vision Hyperdimensional Matrix™ in 2075, and got a glimpse 9 years into the future (2085), they saw the earth being destroyed by a nuclear disaster which was result of war caused by terrible worldwide economical crisis. They were devastated by the things they saw, and they completely commited all of their funds to developing time travel technology & building an intelligent robot which they can send into the past. That was necessary because a glitch in the Time Vortex Plasma-Based Bipulsary Manipulator™ caused any organic matter to be damaged when travelling through the vortex.

They created first working prototype of S.A.T.O.S.H.I. in 2083. Fortunately for us, in January 2084 a stable backward-aligned temporal vortex was created and Satoshi was successfully transported to set coordinates in the past.

And here we go, creating a better future for the mankind.

Where do i buy that book ?

Haven't finished it yet, but when Bitcoin becomes #1 world currency, i might sell screening rights to some movie studio.

The Bitcoin
The Bitcoin - Judgement Day
The Bitcoin - Rise Of The Machines
The Bitcoin - Salvation
1575  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Common Law System on: February 27, 2011, 09:31:25 AM
Caveat emptor, as they say...

I think perhaps a trust Database should be established... Sure, you can just start back from scratch if you screw someone over, but you're starting back from scratch, and everyone is going to be a little bit wary of people with 0 trust.

I can't get behind a guilty before proven innocent system, sorry.

Yeah, shouldn't PGP web of trust or something similiar be everything we need?
I am generally against of the community creating some kind of "bitcoin law" & legal system. Isn't warning against spammers/scammers/thiefs/griefers etc. enough ?

Anyway, how to punish somebody over the internet for doing something bad ? How to force him to pay ? "Bitcoin law" seems weird idea to me.
1576  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Is Satoshi Alive? Thread on: February 27, 2011, 08:27:11 AM
Actually, Satoshi is a robot sent from the future

I, for one, welcome our robotic savior. Wink

"Use bitcoins if you want to live !" Wink
1577  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Is Satoshi Alive? Thread on: February 27, 2011, 08:19:14 AM
Actually, Satoshi is a robot sent from the future to stop the largest currency crisis in the history of mankind, and the nuclear war that followed the political chaos caused by it.

His name comes from joined names of Japanese corporations who created him, Samsung-Toshiba-Nakamichi-Motorola.
in 2075, these corporations formed a single huge megacorporation, in joined effort to perfect time travel technology.

After they successfully conducted first tests of Future-Vision Hyperdimensional Matrix™ in 2075, and got a glimpse 9 years into the future (2085), they saw the earth being destroyed by a nuclear disaster which was result of war caused by terrible worldwide economical crisis. They were devastated by the things they saw, and they completely commited all of their funds to developing time travel technology & building an intelligent robot which they can send into the past. That was necessary because a glitch in the Time Vortex Plasma-Based Bipulsary Manipulator™ caused any organic matter to be damaged when travelling through the vortex.

They created first working prototype of S.A.T.O.S.H.I. in 2083. Fortunately for us, in January 2084 a stable backward-aligned temporal vortex was created and Satoshi was successfully transported to set coordinates in the past.

And here we go, creating a better future for the mankind.


1578  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Common Law System on: February 27, 2011, 06:05:29 AM
A few disputes broke out over the last several weeks in area such as bankruptcy and suspected scamming. We don't have definite laws or procedure on how to deal with trespassers or processing evidence yet.

But I think a couple of details is emerging as far as law goes:

1. Bankrupted person will defer all payments to creditors and wronged parties for the amount that was owned.
2. Those who are suspected of scamming but protest their innocence could pay a 'fine' in case of damning evidence.

Those these laws are not definite as it need some more iteration and more testing to make it work.

I would give it a couple of 'court cases' before something good emerge.

Whoa, wait a moment.

I thought this community is about the currency itself. Since when are we lawyers ? Since when can we be judge and prosecutor of anyone ?
Shouldn't warning about scammers be the maximum we do ?

Also, there is a lot of anarchists/minarchists/libertarians here - do you think they will approve any kind of such procedure ?
1579  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: A network lag around 19:25 GMT today ? on: February 27, 2011, 05:53:53 AM
Bitcoin Block Explorer doesn't process transactions until they get into a block, so you usually won't see transactions there for at least a few minutes after sending them.

Well, Bitcoin client didn't notice them either.
It was like this for about 3 minutes - which never happened before, so I'm saying - it was a little weird.
1580  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / A network lag around 19:25 GMT today ? on: February 26, 2011, 07:32:31 PM
Has anybody except me noticed a network slowdown about 3 minutes long around 19:25 GMT today (26.02) ?

In that time my new transactions sent from both MyBitcoin and MTGOX didn't show up (even as unconfirmed) in client's list, and were not present in block explorer, which is weird because usually they appear withing seconds after i click "Send payment" on MyBitcoin.
I wonder if anything serious (like DDoS) was happening, or was it just mybitcoin & mtgox's lag.
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