I can't wait until I see this on RedTube...

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Definately agreed.

Well of course not the same - but still very close.
- In mainframe model you had  mainframe serving your applications, video to your screen, processor power, etc.
- In cloud computing, "mainframe" or "cluster of mainframes" serves either data, applications, or processing power to clients.

The general idea is the same, only details changed.
One could say that cloud is extension of mainframe-terminal model.


So ? Cloud also has central physical cluster serving certain kind of user accounts which are used for different applications.
The same thing, only different layer.


Yeah... but that is still very close to client-mainframe model. Only this time on a different layer.
Mainframe/Terminal = Operational system layer
Cloud = The same, but 1 or 2 layers higher (application layer, web layer etc)


Oh. I wasn't aware of p2p clouds, thx for the info.
You are correct, if we're talking about cloud in P2P, then that's new. But cloud in a mainframe or in a cluster of mainframes - we have already seen that.

"World government" was never what you would expect from the term.

It would be ruled by Rotschilds, Rockefellers & other fraudulent banksters. So there is nothing good in it for us. Unless you want to be bred, controlled & killed at the wish of masters - like cattle.


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Going back to the topic:

There is also the problem of technology vs politics, law & social standards. Technology always wins.
Simply put, if cloud computing is worse technologically than "current computing", then it will fail. It doesn't matter how hard it will be pushed.

Technology is always ahead of politics, law & social changes. P2P succeeded in spite of constants heavy attacks from every direction possible, because it is just the best way to transfer data. You cannot stop technology with political, moral, legislative or other mambo - jambo attacks. The best tech will ultimately prevail.

Here are some thoughts for you: "Clouds" is only buzzword, we already had clouds in the 70ties and 80ties of previous century, the only difference is they were called "TERMINAL & MAINFRAME computing" or something like this.

Did clouds work ?
-- Yes
Did clouds completely overtake computing ?
-- No, it was the other way around - computers started from cloud and evolved into what we have now.

Also it's not like every person out there is going to trust middleman to store their data. Of course, 80-95% of users probably wouldn't care, but still there is geek world, which has low tolerance for clouds and low trust in big companies. Computer specialist will never fully trust cloud, because they know what dangers it creates.

Also, cloud has many many many disadvantages - there is even no point in explaining them there, this is obvious.

This a very good argument. I'm 97% satisfied and 75% convinced. (Contrary to davout's pseudo-arguments which are mostly empty jibberish).

However, i'm still worried that adoption will be postponed by few years because of governments delegalizing bitcoin.

Anyway, I see that clearly I'm not convincing anybody here today, so i guess everybody have to learn truth the hard way. Just don't say nobody warned you.

This is not an ARGUMENT.
I'm not whining, I am simply making a discussion.


Perhaps this is why I'm continuing to discuss, because i want to convince them they are wrong.
This is the point of discussion, am I wrong ?



In your dreams perhaps. I remember no such thing.


Definately.

I usually get mad when people explode with moronic ideas and defend them as if they were absolute truth, exactly as in this thread.

For now, most of people in this thread act as children, so what is the difference.


I am just making a discussion. Where did i say i owned it ?


You clearly don't fuckin' get WTF am I talking about, so STFU Bitch (yes, i can swear too !)
Also:
1. Nobody is talking about fucking morals. I'm just talking about Bitcoin reputation as a currency. But it seems you're too big fucking moron (oh yes, i can swear !) to get that. I am sorry for you.
2. To be clear: I would happily buy Illegal Arms, Drugs etc myself, but again: NOT on this forum. So morals has nothing to do with this.


Again, I am NOT implying that fucking government is a bad thing.
In fact i fuck the government on every occasion.

Of course, again - you're too stupid (i think i'm getting addicted to insulting you. Mmmm that feels gooood) to read with understanding.


Nobody is talking about FEAR. I am talking about REPUTATION.
Because, in contrary to you, I care if Bitcoin ever goes "large".


WOW, this is the first actual valid argument that is not an insult in your whole post.
Still, it if will be illegal, then it will be underground currency. And if it will be underground currency, I won't pay for my groceries in it.


No, much worse. And it will be TOR-only, which is a problem. Somehow you're too stupid to see that.

Why shouldn't it be for masses of people ?
I myself want to save for my retirement in bitcoin. I want to some day pay for my groceries in Bitcoin. What is wrong with that ?


Of course it has a market in people trading illegal stuff. But not on this forum.
If you trade illegals on this forum, it's like you're shouting around : "Hey, bitcoin was created for paying whores, buying drugs, illegal arms and generally fucking the government"


Governments cannot shut it down. But they can hold mainstream adoption by making it illegal.
And then, you are not going to pay for groceries with Bitcoin. Ever.

No, seriously - why are we even discussing this ? I mean these are obvious things...
It's like explaining "don't touch the kettle, you will get burned" to the children, OMG...

I'm starting to think this is a government provocation to close this forum up faster.

** Illegal stuff should not be traded on this forum. Period **


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Shut up, scammer.

That's maybe because there are not many such threads and there is no official policy or set of rules on this forum yet.
But it doesn't mean that somebody (Sirius) can't make one.

If there is one-two threads, that is not a problem. But when such threads start showing up in hundereds, this may change.

Also, pornography is not illegal in most of normal countries. So it's not a big thing. Just wait until people will start selling drugs & arms here. Hell is gonna break loose. That will definately catch the attention of governments - and the website will be closed faster than you can spell "censorship".

OMG, this is serious.
These are security basics...

But I know these disputants, they are not trolls. Who are you talking about ?


Oh no - that thing definately does not work on this forum.
Because of lack of moderation, everybody here writes about anything in just any topic they want... Offtopic hell. Which is another problem by the way.

So whether you want it or not, it will not be mainstream if it is illegal.
It will continue being underground currency.

Is that what you want ?


Nobody is deluding anybody.
I am perfectly aware than governments sooner or later will fight bitcoin.

But my point is to move that event further in the future. Now, while BTC is in its infancy, we are vulnerable...

How is it possible people here don't understand that ? Is it some kind of bitcoin related madness or what ?
Does really everybody here wants to buy drugs & get laid so hard that nobody cares if Bitcoin gets destroyed in the process ?

Actually I meant the other way around: Bitcoin forum would be TOR-only because of "illegal content" posted on it... (Or becuse of domain seizures)

EDIT:
But after giving it some thought, i think that "your way" is also possible using propaganda tricks.

- First, they prove that Bitcoin was intentionally created for illegal stuff because authors allow that kind of stuff on their forums which clearly shows their intentions.
- Second, they will name Bitcoin "the currency of fraudsters, terrorists, illegal arms dealers, drug dealers" etc.
- Third, they make Bitcoin illegal
- 4. ?? ?? ??
- 5. PROFIT !

Classic Problem-Reaction-Solution scheme.

OK, so whatever. Let everybody trade anything they want in here - let's see how that will work out.

Just don't say i haven't warned you. I don't like the idea of having to use TOR to check out main bitcoin website.

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FEDs are closing this forum in 5...4...3...2...1...

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Great point.


That's fine. So the hub can have links connecting whole economy (and illegal content).
But it does not have to have illegal content itself.

At least this gives us some protection against "bitcoin was created to allow trading prostitution, drugs, weapons & other illegal stuff" propaganda attack...

I think you're wrong. This forum is not about the "market". It is about bitcoin support.
Strength of bitcoin itself (as currency) is more important than having few niche markets on this forum.

Get this: Trading illegals on this forum WILL UNDERMINE Bitcoin as a good currency because it creates a weakness which government propaganda can exploit.



Sure, but there is no need to make more buzz about it so govs come here faster, right ?
They are probably already creating a strategy, and "useful idiots" like you are putting weapons in their hands.

If you want Bitcoin never to go mainstream, and become underground-only currency, then go on - trade drugs, prostitution and weapons on this forum.

Right, because they bear.


Still, i would say that their will to continue "their ways" is bigger than the artificial social barriers keeping them where they are.

It's just that Gypsies have had an dynamic/unstable road travel culture since several hundereds of years, and it won't change overnight. They are just used to they old ways, and because of that it is harder for them to get any normal jobs in Poland, because legal jobs in Poland require that you have a fixed registration of residence (they would have to live in one place).

Gypsies here are just imcompatibile with recent (last 70 years) social changes, and that creates problems. They have kept their culture, and their culture is no longer compatibile with the modern world - and i think that is the problem. This is the reason they steal, scam and lie - because they cannot find any normal place in modern society.

From one point of view - yes, this may be good. But from another point of view - this is a problem.

Imagine now that 500.000 people come within next few years and read this topic. Some of them are either stupid, or simply won't read the topic to the end for some reason / just read the first post.
Certain percent % of them WILL BE scammmed by this swingler. This is what i wanted to avoid.