No, I brought the murder as an example. In this case, nobody should be killed.
They need just threat of torture. Then the confiscation of computers, information, check sources, searches and arrests. And it's over.
As witchspace already pointed out, things that are easy in Soviet Russia are not necessarily so easy in "normal" semi-democratic world. There are many problems: 1. The matryr thing - as explained by witchspace 2. Streissand Effect (similiar to creating martyrs). The more You want to censor something , the more people will download it. 3. The wikileaks insurance (random people around the world may have the key and they will release it when time comes 4. Bad PR for USA if they start shooting people from wikileaks. I mean what would be the difference between them and Russia/China if they do this ? None. This could further break diplomatic relations with (semi)democratic countries. |
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File without the key is garbage. State can find out who have the key and find out what conditions it will be published.
Surely a lot of people have the key. Good luck finding them on TOR or freenet. (FYI: TOR is completely untrackable when connecting from one TOR node, to another TOR node, contrary to connecting to/from "normal internet" from/to TOR). |
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Again, remember the tortures at Guantanamo? The end justifies the means. Nobody stops reckon with the U.S. due to a couple of dead geeks.
Sad but true.
If that was so easy as You said, they would have done so long ago. Wikileaks is not here since yesterday. Also, wikileaks has the encrypted insurance file already distrubuted among people long ago (God knows what it may contain ? perhaps 9/11 inside job proof ?). USA may be also afraid of that. |
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But damaging torture can not be withstand. I'm curious why they is still free and may be freely interviewed.
That's probably because USA is not Soviet Russia (yet). They started censorship, but there is still long way from that to becoming a true totalitarian country like Russia. If they torture or murder somebody from wikileaks, they really risk getting their asses kicked on the international arena. |
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I believe very strongly that a successful effort to supplant state money is going to be a ground-up effort. The big players in today's pink economy are going to be the last to adapt, kicking and screaming, to the new economic reality. For years before that happens, though, individuals, sole traders and small enterprises are going to be taking more and more of their income away as, simultaneously, a) the new monetary system's benefits impact more and more people, b) the inevitable institutional dumbness of big organizations makes them stumble and lag, and, c) continually eroding confidence in the state, its institutions and the entities that rely upon them drives more and more people into the new economy.
I like that idea of Yours, however what i don't like about it is the amount of time it needs to become reality. However i guess we don't have any choice, as the "old economy" will never adapt - I concede with you there. Bankers & other people who gain from the current system will never resign of their false fraudulent dream world, unless it totally collapses itself first. BTW, Shadow, when they shut down the internet, I know how to build a new one. Want to help?  No need for that, they cannot really "shut down the internet". They would have to take all the physical equipment away from people - Linux servers, routers, switches, wires, cables etc. And that is not possible at all without some major disaster (nuclear war or something). They cannot take our equipment from us, and with the equipment geeks will quickly build a new internet from the scratch. It's just a matter of little rewiring & changing configuration. Not so difficult as one would think. |
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Basically when a banker makes a loan, he does indeed creates money out of nothing but the promess from the borrower to repay this.
I call it "legalized fraud". +1 Also, i concede with 98% of opinions stated in the movie. Although it perhaps simplifies some things too much, this is still how the money making works today. Banking industry == Legalized fraud |
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Apparently someone did a massive ddos against wikileaks today.
Really is that so ? http://cablegate.wikileaks.org/ worked perfectly for me for the last 12 or 18 hours. |
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They can't shoot bitcoin or bittorrent itself, but they can discourage big buisnesses from accepting bitcoin. And that can easily hold mainstream adoption even for tens of years.
They (governments) are very good in this particularly. Large companies such as Google, Microsoft, Wal-mart etc are very susceptible to government regulations.
Screw big business. Google, Microsoft and Wal-Mart can all eat flaming death as far as I'm concerned, creatures of state privilege as they are. My task, and where systems like Bitcoin can be helpful, is in making both government and big business irrelevant and obsolete. Burn, Hollywod, burn. I'm only saying that it may be difficult for bitcoin to go mainstream, but i seriously doubt they can stop adoption in general. They would have to shut down the internet entirely, which is not easy (possible breaking ICANN is not enough, we can always use alternative DNS roots). I think we should try again to get WikiLeaks to accept bitcoin donation, as a thanks for their latest leak. Should we pool some money together to include with a letter?
Currently all intelligence services are working to smash wikileaks. I would not want to suddenly posthumously come into Al-Qaeda. So far they have failed. I hope it stays that way. |
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You can't just make TLDs...
You don't have to use the ICANN root domain servers. Lots of groups use alternative DNS roots, although you're never going to see a Windows OS that defaults to anything other than the ICANN root. Overwriting ICANN IP's at ISP level should not be very hard in case of USA starts to really censor the interwebs. Also, it is probably quite easy to do on Linux. |
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http://torrentfreak.com/u-s-government-seizes-bittorrent-search-engine-domain-and-more-101126/http://www.osnews.com/story/24074/US_Government_Censors_70_WebsitesFollowing on the heels of this week’s domain seizure of a large hiphop file-sharing links forum, it’s clear today that the U.S. Government has been very busy. Without any need for COICA, ICE has just seized the domain of a BitTorrent meta-search engine along with those belonging to other music linking sites and several others which appear to be connected to physical counterfeit goods.
While complex, it’s still possible for U.S. authorities and copyright groups to point at a fully-fledged BitTorrent site with a tracker and say “that’s an infringing site.” When one looks at a site which hosts torrents but operates no tracker, the finger pointing becomes quite a bit more difficult.
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This morning, visitors to the Torrent-Finder.com site are greeted with an ominous graphic which indicates that ICE have seized the site’s domain.
“My domain has been seized without any previous complaint or notice from any court!” the exasperated owner of Torrent-Finder told TorrentFreak this morning.
“I firstly had DNS downtime. While I was contacting GoDaddy I noticed the DNS had changed. Godaddy had no idea what was going on and until now they do not understand the situation and they say it was totally from ICANN,” he explained.
Beginnings of censorship ? USA has finally shown its true fascist face. I wonder if bitcoin domains will be on the list...Discuss.
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It was a petty crappy movie.
Yeah, but the idea shown in the clip is one thing that i liked about that movie  |
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No. After you've spent $8000 on your PayPal account, PayPal REQUIRES You to "attach" your PayPal account to a bank account (not just a credit card). This way they can withdrawal from that Account any time they want - even if they overdraw your bank account. PayPal doesn't care.
WOW, now You have surprised me. Paypal is a piece of some nasty shit ! |
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... and when you chargeback you are chased by men in a black van who forcefully remove the gum from your mouth.
LOL No! We're talking about PayPal. They're "attached" to your bank account (aka a co-owner of your bank account)... which means, they'll simply take the $0.25 out of your bank account -- even if it causes Your SAVINGS account to be overdrawn, and results in $75 in fees from your bank... Don't worry. PayPal will get their $0.25 every time. They're evil bastards. Which is one of the reasons I support Bitcoin so much, and created http://bitcoinme.com.. because of how evil PayPal is. Can't paypal be used with paysafecards and such, to avoid debits & extra charges ? |
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Doesn't bitcoingateway work only for US citizens ?
I'm not from the US. I was able to negotiate an arrangement with Bitcoin Gateway based on establishing trust, and had a successful transaction outcome. I look forward to seeing whether the process is more automated when they reopen for business. Yeah, but it is not yet ready for an average-guy from what I understand ... ? |
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I completely disagree.
It will never be good for bitcoin PR, if the creators never show anywhere. The truth is nobody can catch the concept & explain the idea better than the creator...
I'll beg to differ. Often, people who aren't aware of all the technical internals are able to explain things in simpler ways. I completely disagree. Often these simplifications completely misrepresent the product or result in descriptions which are so vague that nobody can understand the product. + 1 There should be laws such that 99% of commercials are forbidden, because they suggest all kinds of things that are easily falsified in a lab. Take the Windows operating system for example. _All_ versions have been marketed as if they are secure operating systems. Sometimes they used the phrase "more secure", which doesn't mean a whole lol. The fact is that all operating systems released by Microsoft contain fatal flaws. In an ideal world consumers should be able to return the product even if just one marketed claim doesn't hold up. There's a reason why engineering and sales are different jobs  Yes, it's because the sales people never needed to develop real skills. +100 to that LOL |
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well, the really best way for newcomers will be bitcoingateway.com, once it's back up and running and accepting CC payments. most newcomers will be just as unfamiliar with liqpay as with LR and friends.
in the meantime, there's always #bitcoin-otc. not that great for complete newcomers, though, but if you have or can establish a reputation, you can trade for pp, moneypak, amazon payments, etc.
Doesn't bitcoingateway work only for US citizens ? |
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Would you guys use mt gox more if it provided a liqpay option like it did before ?
I would. |
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Mt Gox just implemented the Dark Pool?
Wont that hide the real market movements?
Dark pool ? Nice, i didn't know about it. That may be a good explanation. |
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