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Economy / Marketplace / Re: The "Why We Trust Mt. Gox" thread
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on: March 02, 2011, 11:54:33 PM
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@wb3
So will you answer me ? Are you Baron or not ?
How long will you keep me waiting ? I can see that you are online...
Sorry I was doing some research. Of course you were. No, I am not Baron. Baron was an idiot.
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Baron was a fool
Why do you keep emphasizing that he was stupid ? Are you a newer, better, upgraded version of Baron 2.0 or what ? Will your scams be far superior to Baron's ones ? I don't have to much sympathy for him.
1. Hmmmm.... Talking almost as if you knew him, you are. Suspicious it is, indeed. 2. If you don't have too much sympathy, then you have SOME sympathy after all. Is that correct ? |
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Economy / Marketplace / Re: The "Why We Trust Mt. Gox" thread
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on: March 02, 2011, 11:21:44 PM
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@wb3 the content in the first post is just direct quotes and summaries, all linked back so you can read it yourself without going through the whole thread for hours. Your conclusion is bang on topic, the scenario bit might be better served in the big thread. Up to you and everybody else to decide, but just as a suggestion. There are lots of relevant responses to it(if you're interested in what I mean I'll happily expand in another thread) but my preference is not to clutter up this topic with them.
I would advise everybody to be VERY CAREFUL when discussing with wb3. He registered just today, and many of his posts are in mtgox-related threads. He is highly likely to be Baron's alter ego. If that is the case, he will be manipulating everybody to lower their trust in mtgox. The anarchist bit I understand.
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I know one thing for sure, even the anarchist like their money. But if you really want to cause havoc, just send all your money to:
Hey, are you Baron by any chance ? |
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Economy / Marketplace / Re: The "Why We Trust Mt. Gox" thread
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on: March 02, 2011, 11:08:40 PM
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My answer:
Quite a bit: I think there are probably some details to work out and changes to make, but we're getting there.
Mtgox's behavior is certainly annoying, but i still do trust him as an exchanger.
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Economy / Exchanges / [Baron] is a scammer
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on: March 02, 2011, 08:14:59 PM
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The baron signed up to mtgox and used his service without mtgox providing any terms or conditions. And not just for a little but $45k.
mtgox has not "taken" the barons money, it's not like it's gone somewhere else. It's been frozen, and the account and account owner are being investigated by mtgox. mtgox has asked for something not just reasonable, but probably required by law in such situations, that is for copies of identification.
I don't think things are so bad in the U.S. that scammers are now able to sue the people who they failed to scam.
It would really be cool if you avoided discussing with possible Baron's alter ego... This is only causing unnecessary havoc. I am completely ignoring his posts on the case. -------- Also i concur that this thread definately deserves a lockdown. |
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Economy / Exchanges / [Baron] is a scammer
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on: March 02, 2011, 07:31:36 PM
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So mtgox believes there was a "crime" has some untested proof and unilaterally freezes an account. mtgox as said earlier is not an unknown perona.
I don't know about others, but "businesses" that unilaterally conduct a trial, hold themselves as jury, and award themselves a verdict, does seem up and up.
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But that absolute last thing you would want to provide is "Proof". Because if you can identify anonymous transactions to the person, this whole BitCoin experiment just "Failed".
Sorry, but for what we know, with so few posts you can be Baron's alter ego, so i don't think I'm going to listen to your opinion on the topic at all. |
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Economy / Exchanges / Re: [Baron] is a scammer
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on: March 02, 2011, 07:12:31 PM
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Keep a history of your transactions, and you'll be safe. If you sold an item, you probably have a name and/or address of the buyer. If you don't know who you got the coins from, or even how the coins came into your possession, and you are caught with stolen coins, then you are in trouble. Just as with stolen goods in real life. The larger the sum, the more important to keep account.
There should be a service to quickly check for stolen coins given an address.
Damn scammers, fraudsters, and thieves. They make the cost of everything goes up. If you think in long-term, scamming people is simply stupid. Even if you are extremely good at what you do, there is a superhero for every supervillain out there. Sooner or later you will get busted, it is only matter of time. Human mind is not perfect, it always makes mistakes. One critical or unlucky mistake is all it takes - you are going to the bottom. |
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Economy / Exchanges / [Baron] is a scammer
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on: March 02, 2011, 06:49:40 PM
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Mtgox has not said a word that really explains the problem for over one week, nor has MtGoThx explained WHY it has not said anything.
Yes he did. He wrote that he was trying to get in touch with Baron, and while the investigation goes on the less details Baron knows the better. Yet some people here keep nagging. Please shut up and read his very concise posts which explain everything you and Baron need to know. It is better that Baron doesn't know everything mtgox knows at this point, since Baron keeps changing his story. Hold some facts until Baron's story has stabilized somewhat. The changes in Baron's story is hard to keep track of when everybody is discussing a thousand different things in the same forum thread. This would be really different if it occurs in a arbitration with rules for processing evidence, notes what is proven and not proven, and no chit-chatting from outside observers. That's why i proposed to create an "arbitration topic" in which only Baron & mtgox could speak, and the rest could only observe. Perhaps some other arbiter could also speak there. Is this possible in SMF ? |
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Economy / Exchanges / [Baron] is a scammer
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on: March 02, 2011, 06:41:50 PM
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Mtgox has not said a word that really explains the problem for over one week, nor has MtGox explained WHY it has not said anything.
Yes he did. He wrote that he was trying to get in touch with Baron, and while the investigation goes on the less details Baron knows the better. Yet some people here keep nagging. Please shut up and read his very concise posts which explain everything you and Baron need to know. It is better that Baron doesn't know everything mtgox knows at this point, since Baron keeps changing his story. Hold some facts until Baron's story has stabilized somewhat. Ok, mtgox's behaviour can be understandable to me, but still there are no security FAQ, terms of service, dispute resolving procedure or anything on mtgox's site. "Slim shady" way of doing business if you ask me. |
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Economy / Exchanges / [Baron] is a scammer
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on: March 02, 2011, 06:32:40 PM
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Anyway, even if he is not a scammer, he behaves like one. And that certainly doesn't help his case.
Mtgox behaves exactly as I would have done in the same situation, and I am no scammer. Well, perhaps I am different, but i would be much more talkative... I don't like running business this "shady" way. I like openess about everything. Is it just me really ? A normal, non-scammer person would be outraged and would start posting like hell explaining wtf is going on, or even attacking my behaviour.
Really? This is exactly what Baron is doing. Where do you see any outrage in Baron's behavior ? I certainly do not. He is behaving like a typical nigerian scammer. Manipulating facts, avoiding confrontation & specific details and trying to get more people to support him. Also, i didn't provoke Baron at first, i provoked only mtgox to trigger some more reponses from him. Baron was already talkative, or actually too talkative. |
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Economy / Exchanges / [Baron] is a scammer
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on: March 02, 2011, 06:25:41 PM
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With this amount of info, plus all Baron's contradictions, weird excuses (being mute!?) and lack of willingness to identify himself even to MtGox, I think this case could be "closed", since it would be "proved beyond reasonable doubt" that Baron is a scammer. MtGox could use the frozen money in order to pay for the losses he and his customers suffered.
Yes, time to end this fiasco once and for all. It's already the 2nd longest thread on this forum. Yeah - let's close it already, i've had enough for today. |
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Economy / Exchanges / [Baron] is a scammer
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on: March 02, 2011, 05:40:00 PM
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Who needs police when shadows on your tail  See, one less reason for the state  I just like to get to the bottom of things. To me it's quite clear that Baron is a thief.
Absolutely, there is no doubt of it now. @MtGox, in order to close this case once and for all, why don't you just provide proofs like: - Digital signatures that show you own the addresses from which Baron address was funded
- Logs from your site showing the dictionary attacks and the theft of bitcoins and LR
- LR logs of the transactions Person B used to get the money out of your account (does this exist?)
- Logs linking all actions of "Person B", in other words, something that indicates it is indeed the same person
+ 1 I would like that very much too. I know that Baron is a scammer, but i still don't like Mtgox's attitude and his way of resolving matters like this. Also, Mtgox should put a page with terms of service / dispute resolving procedure & security FAQ on his site. If mtgox.com becomes less shady, people will not suspect him of scam in the future. |
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Economy / Exchanges / [Baron] is a scammer
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on: March 02, 2011, 05:26:13 PM
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TheKoziTwo: I checked the IRC logs. There is nothing in there about this trade.
#1. I believe you. #2. Can you please be so nice and post the IRC logs from that day so i can check them out myself ? I will be eternally grateful. |
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Economy / Exchanges / [Baron] is a scammer
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on: March 02, 2011, 05:16:51 PM
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You can send your scans to everyone who asks, it's your choice. But I am protecting my documents, that no one would miss out.
I am ready to send scans or other ID documents to police, when mtgox.com will go to them.
That was just a socio-psychological probing, i wanted to test your reaction. I didn't really care about your IDs. You failed. I think i have my verdict: In my opinion you are a scammer and mtgox is innocent. I am still curious what is mtgox hiding though. |
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Economy / Exchanges / [Baron] is a scammer
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on: March 02, 2011, 05:00:15 PM
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Oh my god, I am scamer now and I am putting pressure on mtgox.com . So http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3089.0 is scamer too, because he was trying putting "pressure" on mtgox.com? So for what this forum was created? I believe mtgox.com is laughing from all you, by reading all this thread. For what reason you saying that I am scamer? I see there is members who trying to shut up me. But I don't! , you would say anything now to lower mtgox's reputation and create more pressure, as you see you have already caused some havoc. Are you honest ? Do you have anything to hide ? Show us scans of your IDs and photos of yourself with the IDs in your hand. I still think that you are a scammer here, but i don't know what to think of mtgox yet. I am telling facts. I don't care. Show me your IDs or GTFO. //I'm really getting annoyed by this thread. First of all, it will not change the situation. Of course it will change everything. Scammer would never show his ID, a honest person would do anything to clear its name and get money back. Too bad you are not such person, but an ordinary scammer. And stop asking unconscious questions.
I will stop when you show your IDs and your face here. |
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Economy / Exchanges / Re: mtgox.com has blocked my account with 45 000 USD in it!
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on: March 02, 2011, 04:50:51 PM
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Oh my god, I am scamer now and I am putting pressure on mtgox.com . So http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3089.0 is scamer too, because he was trying putting "pressure" on mtgox.com? So for what this forum was created? I believe mtgox.com is laughing from all you, by reading all this thread. For what reason you saying that I am scamer? I see there is members who trying to shut up me. But I don't! , you would say anything now to lower mtgox's reputation and create more pressure, as you see you have already caused some havoc. Are you honest ? Do you have anything to hide ? Show us scans of your IDs and photos of yourself with the IDs in your hand. I still think that you are a scammer here, but i don't know what to think of mtgox yet. I am telling facts. I don't care. Show me your IDs or GTFO. //I'm really getting annoyed by this thread. |
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Economy / Exchanges / Re: mtgox.com has blocked my account with 45 000 USD in it!
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on: March 02, 2011, 04:44:56 PM
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Oh my god, I am scamer now and I am putting pressure on mtgox.com . So http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3089.0 is scamer too, because he was trying putting "pressure" on mtgox.com? So for what this forum was created? I believe mtgox.com is laughing from all you, by reading all this thread. For what reason you saying that I am scamer? I see there is members who trying to shut up me. But I don't! , you would say anything now to lower mtgox's reputation and create more pressure, as you see you have already caused some havoc. Are you honest ? Do you have anything to hide ? Show us scans of your IDs and photos of yourself with the IDs in your hand. I still think that you are a scammer here, but i don't know what to think of mtgox yet. |
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Economy / Exchanges / Re: mtgox.com has blocked my account with 45 000 USD in it!
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on: March 02, 2011, 04:26:59 PM
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It's none of your business what are his dealings with his other clients.
Of course it is my business. If he scammed somebody, he may scam me someday as well. It is also becoming clear that barron is doing everything he can to continue to put presure on mtgox to release the funds, and at the same time discredit him.
AND YOU ARE HELPING HIM.
For the record, i know that Baron is most likely a scammer. I'm NOT taking Baron's side on this. What I am saying - mtgox should talk more to increase transparency. He is not good enough at public relations. If mtgox would just start be little more talkative, that would fix this case. The problem is he is behaving just opposite to how he should behave, and this worries me. |
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